If (and this is a big IF) the Hawks make the playoffs they will be a force to be reckoned. They would have to be playing fantastic hockey and hopefully that carries forward to the post season.
- DarthKane

Agreed. It has been said many times before that it isn't always the best team that wins a championship, it can be a team that gets hot at the right time. I am hoping that applies to us this year.

There is a Presidents Trophy and a Stanley Cup... one means slightly more than the other

I hope not. For one, the Blackhawks logo is clearly honoring a particular tribe within an ethnic or racial community, and therefore should never be seen as distasteful or politically incorrect.

I personally do not even feel that way about the Cleveland MLB logo, but being that it is a caricature of sorts, it lends itself to criticism from sensitive (see snowflakes) viewpoints.
- Katana777

It's actually honoring a specific person, not tribe. Calling people snowflakes kind of invalidates any point you were trying to make.

I agree, of all the sports teams with Native Canadian/American nicknames and logos the Blackhawks will be the last to change. Over the years I've spoken with a bunch of people with Native Canadian background and not one ever had an issue with, in fact it was quite the opposite. They cheered for the Blackhawks because of their logo and name. I have even been stopped on the street and in restaurants by Native Canadians and they've only every had positive things to say.

That being said, in today's day and age everyone is offended by everything so it will only be a matter of time before serious pressure is put on the Hawks to make a change. I don't think they'll change their name, but I think one day they'll change their logo (which is sad).
- DarthKane

It's really one of the best logo's in the world.....beyond sports teams logo's. It's not remotely offensive or degrading. I don't think the group of the "constantly offended" will have a prayer in getting it changed.

It's actually honoring a specific person, not tribe. Calling people snowflakes kind of invalidates any point you were trying to make.
- JRoenick97

Thank you for your input. I appreciate your insight. I did not know it was honoring a specific individual, but I stand by my argument.

As far as calling people snowflakes, it wasn't meant to hurl an insult, but merely as an observation of overly sensitive people which I believe has been taken to an extreme that does not benefit society. Sorry that I am not sorry for feeling this way.

It's really one of the best logo's in the world.....beyond sports teams logo's. It's not remotely offensive or degrading. I don't think the group of the "constantly offended" will have a prayer in getting it changed.
- madmike71

The Hawks have the blessing of the Sauk tribe to use the logo and have several partnerships with American Indian groups. I don't see it going anywhere.

Thank you for your input. I appreciate your insight. I did not know it was honoring a specific individual, but I stand by my argument.

As far as calling people snowflakes, it was meant to hurl an insult, but merely as an observation of overly sensitive people which I believe has been taken to an extreme that does not benefit society. Sorry that I am not sorry for feeling this way.
- Katana777

It's just the term itself is highly politicized and shows a bias toward most viewpoints to one side. Not the term itself, but the usage is so polarized anymore that it kind of invalidates what prefaces it.

It's actually honoring a specific person, not tribe. Calling people snowflakes kind of invalidates any point you were trying to make.
- JRoenick97

The nerve of some people to stand up for human rights and freedoms and to be offended when those rights are infringed upon.....




The Chief himself.

It's really one of the best logo's in the world.....beyond sports teams logo's. It's not remotely offensive or degrading. I don't think the group of the "constantly offended" will have a prayer in getting it changed.
- madmike71

This is a very good way to describe those in society that are addicted to outrage. I will have to use this phrase instead of "snowflakes"... as I was just scolded by another commenter for my abusive and insensitive remark.

The Hawks have the blessing of the Sauk tribe to use the logo and have several partnerships with American Indian groups. I don't see it going anywhere.
- JRoenick97

I hope you're right, but even this won't help protect the logo forever.

It's honestly doesn't matter if anyone is offended or not (with respect to changing their logo/name), but since there is a perception that somebody could be offended or if the Hawks could lose some goodwill with the fans by not making a change it is a possibility.

I hope you're right, but even this won't help protect the logo forever.

It's honestly doesn't matter if anyone is offended or not (with respect to changing their logo/name), but since there is a perception that somebody could be offended or if the Hawks could lose some goodwill with the fans by not making a change it is a possibility.
- DarthKane

That is always possible, and if it becomes a PR thing, they will cave.

Granted...their logo is bad, but does this foreshadow changes to the Blackhawks logo?

BREAKING: Cleveland Indians removing Chief Wahoo logo from game jerseys and caps, starting in 2019 season

— AP Sports (@AP_Sports) January 29, 2018

- DarthKane

I hope and pray this is NOT the case for the much respected Indian Head.

I agree, of all the sports teams with Native Canadian/American nicknames and logos the Blackhawks will be the last to change. Over the years I've spoken with a bunch of people with Native Canadian background and not one ever had an issue with, in fact it was quite the opposite. They cheered for the Blackhawks because of their logo and name. I have even been stopped on the street and in restaurants by Native Canadians and they've only every had positive things to say.

That being said, in today's day and age everyone is offended by everything so it will only be a matter of time before serious pressure is put on the Hawks to make a change. I don't think they'll change their name, but I think one day they'll change their logo (which is sad).
- DarthKane

Question: What was the purpose of changing the official name of the team to Blackhawks in 1986, from Black Hawks previously?

The following is quotation or paraphrasing wiz, whom last week watched in person Notre Dame vs Denver U

Denver might not only win their league, but the Frozen Four too

Denver: plays tight on check of the ND defese, leaving no time. Ranked #1 defensively college hockey; led by soon to be US Olympian RC Troy Terry. Bill wanted Chicago o take him with 5th 2015 but Ducks grabbed him. The Blackhawks wound up taking Bondra. Chicago prioritized defense position this part of draft when they choose Ryan Shea and Dennis Gilbert

My edit: I recall them taking Shea. He was a sought after New England prep star whom had not committed. He choose one of those Boston college hockey factories, BC or BU. I wonder his development since then

Bill wanted to see more of the Denver Blackhawk pairing who are being highly acclaimed. Bill had not seen either very much and wanted to develop his own stronger impression. Turns out Denver won first game in OT and it was a rough game. Bad feelings existed in rematch following night

Mitchell, a freshman, is not dramatically strong against men he plays against but he is solid in his end & checks all the boxes of the new pro attacker with quick feet, stick mobility & strong offensive instincts. In one of the games Mitchell had OT winner. In second game he took puck in his end and got down so his team could gain possession - Kohen Olischefski could get the shot to score the first goal

Hillman plays physical, is active & makes his way down low & also to mud attack zone because he wants to shoot. He also saw some time LhRD when needed. Played with Mitchell also in #1 Pp unit. Overall Hillman is very aggressive like he wants to make his presence known insofar as to further frustrate ND attackers

I think someone else on the board had commented on how ND's Gilbert has changed his style. Not the end to end rusher. More defensive, payback defender who is more into being opportunistic, offensively than his previous style. I am a bit confused on Gilbert. Did I read somewhere that his skating was slower than adequate at collegiate level. I know that Olafsson at Nebraska Omaha is highly regarded. Anyone want to comment on his development since Snuggerud left

Snuggerud studied lots and lots of D Keith tape. Snuggerud is good at reads and angles, finding lanes, paths offensively but his assignment at Rockford was to learn how to play NHL defense. He missed a good chunk this season injured. He is a future candidate for great offensive third pair although he is D Keith size. The smooth no aggressive Dahlstrom, perhaps Krys all one day are my projection as our secret offensive weaononry on a third pair. Let's see what happens with them and if L Carlsson, Tuulola are better defensively once they develop. Mitchell though is the top projection as D Keith lite. Hillman sounds great; I dk about his skating.

kempny is ufa...he is not resigning with the hawks...move him in multiplayer deal of a team that wants to play there...

23-10...

with this team and their schedule...they couldn't do 23-10 with craw having a vezina type year before he went down...

i still maintain 85 is top end for this team...

kempny is ufa...he is not resigning with the hawks...move him in multiplayer deal of a team that wants to play there...

23-10...

with this team and their schedule...they couldn't do 23-10 with craw having a vezina type year before he went down...

i still maintain 85 is top end for this team...
- bogiedoc

23-10 is not gonna happen unless the D improves right now.

Thank you for your input. I appreciate your insight. I did not know it was honoring a specific individual, but I stand by my argument.

As far as calling people snowflakes, it wasn't meant to hurl an insult, but merely as an observation of overly sensitive people which I believe has been taken to an extreme that does not benefit society. Sorry that I am not sorry for feeling this way.
- Katana777

Calling those who may not agree with you “overly sensitive” and “snowflakes” is certainly insulting - you should stick to logic in arguments, not name-calling.

Calling those who may it agree with you “overly sensitive” and “snowflakes” is certainly insulting - you should stick to logic in arguments, not name-calling.
- StLBravesFan

Again, thank you for your constructive criticism. I will definitely take it into consideration.

kempny is ufa...he is not resigning with the hawks...move him in multiplayer deal of a team that wants to play there...

23-10...

with this team and their schedule...they couldn't do 23-10 with craw having a vezina type year before he went down...

i still maintain 85 is top end for this team...
- bogiedoc

I don't see Kempny or Rutta coming back. Both guys were ok , but I think Stan should upgrade the defense next season.

Calling those who may not agree with you “overly sensitive” and “snowflakes” is certainly insulting - you should stick to logic in arguments, not name-calling.
- StLBravesFan

Snowflake

Hence the not gonna happen, my point was you can get better than Toews current value + point production for less expensive players (at this point in their contracts at least) .
- Murph76

Yes, but what are you trading to pick up those players? I'm not saying you can't get a combination of high point totals, but you aren't going to just pluck effective potentially underpaid assets for nothing. If you were drafting a fantasy roster and you can just pick and choose, it is one thing, but you'd likely have to trade Toews and then make 1 or 2 other deals. Then possibly sign other players to fill in the gaps for the parts you likely had to deal away.

Agreed. It has been said many times before that it isn't always the best team that wins a championship, it can be a team that gets hot at the right time. I am hoping that applies to us this year.

There is a Presidents Trophy and a Stanley Cup... one means slightly more than the other

- Katana777

Agreed perfect example look at the Nashville Predators of last year.

The thing with Toews is that there is nobody here WANTS to trade Toews. We all just want him to be the guy we all knew and loved from 2008-2015. It is an objective fact that he is NOT that guy and has not been for 2+ seasons now. When 88+19 and even 7 signed those deals, everyone (Bowman included) knew there would be a regression and at one point in those deals, they would not be performing up to the Cap Hit standards. With both 19 + 7, that time has come several years too soon. BreadBag has commented on 19's point totals, which appparently are only slightly off his career pace. Stats don't lie, so fair point. However, it is not just the point totals, but the impact on the ice shift in and shift out. Toews was a guy who dominated the puck, created plays, all while winning 60% of his faceoffs and playing tough defense. With a few exceptions once or twice a month, Toews is NOT a dominant player, but just an above average one. Mike Milbury sees it, Keith Jones sees it, and the guys at NBC are FINALLY calling out 19 for not being the same guy he was when the Hawks were a great team. Toews cannot just rack up points with empty nets and against bottom dwellers, he needs to be dominant against the Central and West, which he has been far from. If the Hawks want any chance of sniffing the playoffs and another cup in the next decade, then they have to #MakeToewsGreatAgain
- EnzoD

#SaveStan

The thing with Toews is that there is nobody here WANTS to trade Toews. We all just want him to be the guy we all knew and loved from 2008-2015. It is an objective fact that he is NOT that guy and has not been for 2+ seasons now. When 88+19 and even 7 signed those deals, everyone (Bowman included) knew there would be a regression and at one point in those deals, they would not be performing up to the Cap Hit standards. With both 19 + 7, that time has come several years too soon. BreadBag has commented on 19's point totals, which appparently are only slightly off his career pace. Stats don't lie, so fair point. However, it is not just the point totals, but the impact on the ice shift in and shift out. Toews was a guy who dominated the puck, created plays, all while winning 60% of his faceoffs and playing tough defense. With a few exceptions once or twice a month, Toews is NOT a dominant player, but just an above average one. Mike Milbury sees it, Keith Jones sees it, and the guys at NBC are FINALLY calling out 19 for not being the same guy he was when the Hawks were a great team. Toews cannot just rack up points with empty nets and against bottom dwellers, he needs to be dominant against the Central and West, which he has been far from. If the Hawks want any chance of sniffing the playoffs and another cup in the next decade, then they have to #MakeToewsGreatAgain
- EnzoD

They did mentioned Toews and admittedly he isn't have as much impact as he did, but their view doesn't seem to be as extreme as yours, like when you said he is essentially a 3rd line grinder making 10.5 million. I don't think Toews is the difference between the Hawks winning and losing right now. He is still influencing the game in a lot of positive ways on the ice. He might not be willing to get hit in the head to make a play so much at this point in his career, but his line generates chances. He hasn't finished on so many chances this year, but bottom line is that his line continues to score more than the opposition when he is out there. When they face the deep opponents, it isn't the Toews line getting hemmed in their own end for long stretch of the game. I think he will find the scoring touch to get over the hump.

I hope you're right, but even this won't help protect the logo forever.

It's honestly doesn't matter if anyone is offended or not (with respect to changing their logo/name), but since there is a perception that somebody could be offended or if the Hawks could lose some goodwill with the fans by not making a change it is a possibility.
- DarthKane

Have noted of late (most, if not all games this season) that the Native Americans are not standing with Cornielson and the veterans during the anthem. Not sure if the team has lost their support or what happened.

Have noted of late (most, if not all games this season) that the Native Americans are not standing with Cornielson and the veterans during the anthem. Not sure if the team has lost their support or what happened.
- pdx2ord

Maybe they are tired of his act......

Just something to watch....if there is pressure to remove the logo, where will Bettman stand? He knows that it is the best selling merchandise for his league, but I could see him folding like a cheap tent if that day comes.