8 home games: 2.2 GPG and 3.6 GA = 2-5-1 with a bye week thrown in...

8 home games: 2.2 GPG and 3.6 GA = 2-5-1 with a bye week thrown in...
- bogiedoc

Is that bad?

me·di·o·cre
ˌmēdēˈōkər/Submit
adjective
of only moderate quality; not very good.
"a mediocre actor"
synonyms: ordinary, average, middling, middle-of-the-road, uninspired, undistinguished, indifferent, unexceptional, unexciting, unremarkable, run-of-the-mill, pedestrian, prosaic, lackluster, forgettable.
- EnzoD

You didn’t cut and paste the entire definition. I took the liberty of correcting that omission for you. Please see below:

me·di·o·cre
ˌmēdēˈōkər/Submit
adjective
of only moderate quality; not very good.
"a mediocre actor"
synonyms: ordinary, average, middling, middle-of-the-road, uninspired, undistinguished, indifferent, unexceptional, unexciting, unremarkable, run-of-the-mill, pedestrian, prosaic, lackluster, forgettable, Chicago Blackhawks.

"There’s time to get on a run, to get excited, and then go from there," Quenneville said

okay coach...how about your team starts putting BTB decent periods together without shooting yourself in the skates...FIRST.

Is that bad?
- DarthKane

no...1-6-1 would have been bad...

they got a bonus 2 pts...

Only watched the Hawks twice this year against the Leafs but is it fair to say Panarin is missed? Outside of Kane no one seemed dangerous with the puck.

If contracts didn't matter/salary cap free world Toews would still be highly coveted by all teams. He had a strong game against the Matthews line, but the offensive threat isn't there.

Matthews, Nylander and Marner are all untouchable. Not implying they carry more value than anyone but they won't be traded from Toronto in their early 20's.

Only watched the Hawks twice this year against the Leafs but is it fair to say Panarin is missed? Outside of Kane no one seemed dangerous with the puck.

If contracts didn't matter/salary cap free world Toews would still be highly coveted by all teams. He had a strong game against the Matthews line, but the offensive threat isn't there.

Matthews, Nylander and Marner are all untouchable. Not implying they carry more value than anyone but they won't be traded from Toronto in their early 20's.
- Blazed

yes on panarin: he and kane were magic; but not so much during their 11 playoff games together

yes on toews also: he really has not been an offensive threat for over 2 years

Just when you thought the Hawks could not possibly coach worse than has already been seen this year, we find the Hawks can’t even line up for an OT face-off anymore. What was that? Nobody between the Goalie and the Centre - INCREDIBLE. Instant break-away from centre ice in. Not to be believed. Knew the game was over as Glass awful at shoot-out attempts. Again the Hawks had every opportunity to win. Again the Hawks gave up many great opportunities choosing terrible passes. Again the Hawks had loads of shots blocked and loads of shots that went wide or hit posts. Oesterle has now claimed the title of D-Man constantly out of position. Why is he killing penalties when he doesn’t even seem to know what side of the ice he is responsible for? The really frustrating thing is this - if the Hawks stopped playing the wrong players at key times and stopped shooting themselves they’d be winning.

The Hawks are doing everything they can to create problems for themselves. However, the Refs were ridiculous tonight. The non-icing on the first Toronto goal was atrocious. The penalty to Jurco equally atrocious. He was the one with the skating line - the Toronto player was off-balance and spinning. If a player did interfere it was clearly the Toronto player. Arguably there should have been no penalty either way but for sure no penalty on Jurco.

Also a penalty shot in OT - are you kidding me.

I said it earlier....Anson Carter is BRUTAL.
that is NOT the rule. Get somebody on these telecasts that know hockey NBC.
HORRIBLE commentary !!
- Hawkytalk

Anson Carter was bananas - but I think what he meant to say was the pinch made it confusing - Gustafson looked like he MAY have touched the puck. He didn’t so it was a missed call in any event. His main point was that Seabrook acted on instinct without seeing a linesman actually indicate icing. MORAL - was clearly icing and the Hawks and Seebs got screwed.

Streaming the Canadian feed. Hawks lead the league in offensive zone time!
- Mr Ricochet

Totally misleading stat as the Hawks are actually OVER-possessing the puck. Posses it until they lose it giving up loads of great opportunities with idiotic extra passes.

88 = -1

Just a few comments about Keith. I think Keith is still a very good player. However, he has played his entire career being being protected by his D partner. Seabrook always had his back and so did Hammer. These players allowed Keith to take offensive chances and even defensive chances. Oesterle cannot play this role as he needs to be protected. Tonight you saw on the PK Keith pressure a player thinking Oesterle had the front of the net. Instead Oesterle was wildly out of position. Result? Toronto PP goal.

Seabrook is an under-appreciated player as he has been protecting young D for years now. Still doing it with Gus.

Murphy is being under-utilized. Treat him with respect, play him on his proper side and let him protect Keith. I think Murphy can be a Monster. You don’t get named Captain of Team USA for nothing.

Stan Bowman

"I like this team"

Just a few comments about Keith. I think Keith is still a very good player. However, he has played his entire career being being protected by his D partner. Seabrook always had his back and so did Hammer. These players allowed Keith to take offensive chances and even defensive chances. Oesterle cannot play this role as he needs to be protected. Tonight you saw on the PK Keith pressure a player thinking Oesterle had the front of the net. Instead Oesterle was wildly out of position. Result? Toronto PP goal.

Seabrook is an under-appreciated player as he has been protecting young D for years now. Still doing it with Gus.

Murphy is being under-utilized. Treat him with respect, play him on his proper side and let him protect Keith. I think Murphy can be a Monster. You don’t get named Captain of Team USA for nothing.
- Z3Hawk

I too would like for Murphy to play more. He is not a good fit for a speed game, but he will suffice as he is no donkey like Rozy became.

Teams need a dman who hits so at minimum I have been calling for him to play on his regular side in the third pair. Whomever else would play right side third pair is going to eventually need to beat out a second pair, be depth, or traded. This season we only have two rough and tough dmen so with only two (compared to utilizing three if we had three) I definetely want Murphy playing.

There is also Kempny whom I really want to make it here and he has not been terrible, at least lately compared to the rest of the guys imitating the art of playing defense.

Kempny is like a tease, like the girl you wanted to date for so long then you finally get your opportunity and you see she is not quite so hot after all. Well the guy who has been referred to as having a two cent brain probably moves on because his agent will impress upon Bowman that he is very unhappy and not a fit in Chicago.


ANOTHER issue, however, is how Seabrook has slipped. So if Seabrook must be third pair, I am willing to use Murphy on a second pair. For a while anyway until someone better comes along and Murphy moves to the third pair.

Now I am not going totally bash on yet one more dman, that being Keith.

I know he hasn't lost ability or know how. We can surmise a lousy attitude. We can guess he has personal issues after the divorce, but that is really unfair to bring to the discussion. I only mention it because the greater issue is his attitude.....what can be done about it?

You can sit him a game, you can take him off Pp. Under his breathe he would laugh; he knows he is still the team's best no matter his erratic performance this season (disclaimer: still the best except on pp). Dare I say maybe Bowman trades for or drafts a dman #1 2018 + new coach comes aboard. Challenge Keith to be more relevant. If he continues to struggle then a heart -to- heart sit down.

Last resort is to trade him. Until the blue line crew improves, the bumbling 2017-'18 Keith remains here

That's a given. Toews play tonight was embarrassing. Osterle was a trainwreck. Saad did little. Vinnie actually looked good. I didn't think Murphy and Kempny were all bad. Hawks are finished and given the bloated salaries of mediocre players I think we've seen the last of it for a long while
- kwolf68

But Stan loves the make up of this team and Q isn't on the hot seat.

PR BULL POOP

Losing streak aside, last night was a pretty strong effort overall. Each line created scoring chances, and I especially love the new fourth line. That line was deep in the offensive zone seemingly every shift.

Some tough luck with all the posts hit, and the blown icing call was just a really bad call. The penalty shot was the correct call, but Vinnie had a very similar play happen to him and the Hawks did not get rewarded on the play. Inconsistency, but the Hawks just have to battle through this. Get the two points tonight in Detroit and get on a bit of a streak coming out of the break.

But Stan loves the make up of this team and Q isn't on the hot seat.

PR BULL POOP
- scott.jackson

AU CONTRARE, my fellow Blackhawk friend.

But rationalize this situation, don't blow off steam just because someone happens to be a reactionary hothead
(I am not saying you Scott Jackson)

Is it all on Q? Rebuild. Inexperienced players. Two stalwarts are fallen stars. Hjalmarsson and Hossa gone. So too is useful Kruger. TT was the payment on mismanaged contract. Hartman regress. Bad team = bad attitude/Keith.

There has not been adequate replacement.. That is asking lot to replace. Moreover, Panarin trade has not worked out as anticipated. The team remains too soft. The young defense has not stepped up. Holy jeepers Batman save us. Er, cough I mean Stan.

Anson Carter was bananas - but I think what he meant to say was the pinch made it confusing - Gustafson looked like he MAY have touched the puck. He didn’t so it was a missed call in any event. His main point was that Seabrook acted on instinct without seeing a linesman actually indicate icing. MORAL - was clearly icing and the Hawks and Seebs got screwed.
- Z3Hawk

Yeah, terrible call - but it seems that some Hawk(s) on the ice - Glass? - could/should have done a better job of warning Seabrook that there wasn’t going to be an icing - someone should/could have noticed no raised linesman’s arm....

Yeah, easy to say in hindsight and away from the speed of the game....

Good point. What do they play - 28 games within their division? Whatever it is the Leafs should wind up with plenty of standings points and no stress to make the playoffs as a result of a weak division grouping. But will have to go thru Boston and Tampa (or if somebody in the Metro knocked off Tampa in the 1st round) in the playoffs. Don't like their chances with that defence.
- RickJ

It is definitely our weak spot, but hopefully Lou can land a #3 or #4 at the deadline. Even without I like our chances of doing some damage in the playoffs, but a true Cup run is still at least a season away.

Played well, 3posts ? and a crossbar along with Freddie doing
the look what's behind me look did them in.

The hockey God's have left town.

Kampf is a keeper, the 4th line was good.

Keith

Trading Keith is imperative for the team to get better.

Saad has to be playing through something

Keep the same lines tonite but sit Keith go with
Seabs-Gus
Ost -Murphy
Rutta -Kempny

tell the guys to go and have fun, season's over!

Just when you thought the Hawks could not possibly coach worse than has already been seen this year, we find the Hawks can’t even line up for an OT face-off anymore. What was that? Nobody between the Goalie and the Centre - INCREDIBLE. Instant break-away from centre ice in. Not to be believed. Knew the game was over as Glass awful at shoot-out attempts. Again the Hawks had every opportunity to win. Again the Hawks gave up many great opportunities choosing terrible passes. Again the Hawks had loads of shots blocked and loads of shots that went wide or hit posts. Oesterle has now claimed the title of D-Man constantly out of position. Why is he killing penalties when he doesn’t even seem to know what side of the ice he is responsible for? The really frustrating thing is this - if the Hawks stopped playing the wrong players at key times and stopped shooting themselves they’d be winning.

The Hawks are doing everything they can to create problems for themselves. However, the Refs were ridiculous tonight. The non-icing on the first Toronto goal was atrocious. The penalty to Jurco equally atrocious. He was the one with the skating line - the Toronto player was off-balance and spinning. If a player did interfere it was clearly the Toronto player. Arguably there should have been no penalty either way but for sure no penalty on Jurco.

Also a penalty shot in OT - are you kidding me.
- Z3Hawk

the worst part of that call was it came late. The ref did not see it, but saw the player on the ice and felt a penalty had to be called. Next time he is on the ice, shoot a puck at his head, maybe he will start watching the plays more carefully then.

the worst part of that call was it came late. The ref did not see it, but saw the player on the ice and felt a penalty had to be called. Next time he is on the ice, shoot a puck at his head, maybe he will start watching the plays more carefully then.
- powerenforcer

Try not getting a goal called back for interfierence while the night before the Leafs get a goal called back for a goal that was obviously not interfierence.

Not saying last nights goal was a good goal, I believe it was. However when the night before Matthews gets a goal called back, when The puck is 2 feet behind Bernier, he's looking the complete other way, and Matthews hits his blocker as he taps it in behind him.

The inconsistency in NHL reffing is atrocious

Played well, 3posts ? and a crossbar along with Freddie doing
the look what's behind me look did them in.

The hockey God's have left town.

Kampf is a keeper, the 4th line was good.

Keith

Trading Keith is imperative for the team to get better.

Saad has to be playing through something

Keep the same lines tonite but sit Keith go with
Seabs-Gus
Ost -Murphy
Rutta -Kempny

tell the guys to go and have fun, season's over!
- gazza53

I don't mind that Keith gets a healthy scratch. I would like to send a messag. But if you are Q and Bowman despite the odds you still have to play your best guys. And Keith remains better than the others despite some turnovers and bone head plays being much higher frequency this season.

Keith has a bad attitude IMHO but I cannot prove it. I am fairly certain many would agree. Yet until mathematically eliminated, Keith will suit up. Without him the other dmen move up one spot and they aren't often playing well enough to keep their own spot in the line up.

You really need to re - think that last comment about season's over and go have fun. Unless you are portraying sarcasm. No coach can say that to his players this point in the season.

Try not getting a goal called back for interfierence while the night before the Leafs get a goal called back for a goal that was obviously not interfierence.

Not saying last nights goal was a good goal, I believe it was. However when the night before Matthews gets a goal called back, when The puck is 2 feet behind Bernier, he's looking the complete other way, and Matthews hits his blocker as he taps it in behind him.

The inconsistency in NHL reffing is atrocious
- Santo_44

Entertaining game to watch last night, teams play similarly which means they make a ton of mistakes which increases the entertainment value for the viewer and drives the coaches crazy. Not that much to choose between the 2 teams, too bad they don't play more games in a season anymore.

I saw the Mathews disallowed goal vs Colorado, no surprise to me because I've come to expect this inconsistent, not really sure of the rules crap night to night from the Junior B referees that the NHL employs under Idiot In Chief Colin Campbell. Plus I've watched NHL hockey for decades and can't ever remember a weaker penalty shot being called for a slight hook, especially one that might decide the game. You got lucky, I guess the refs had a flight to catch or dinner reservations and the game was running late.

Oh for the days of Ray Scapinello, John D'Amico, John McCauley and Andy van Hellemond.

I don't mind that Keith gets a healthy scratch. I would like to send a messag. But if you are Q and Bowman despite the odds you still have to play your best guys. And Keith remains better than the others despite some turnovers and bone head plays being much higher frequency this season.

Keith has a bad attitude IMHO but I cannot prove it. I am fairly certain may would agree. Yet until mathematically eliminated, Keith will suit up. Without him the other dmen move up one spot and they aren't often playing well enough to keep their own spot in the line up.

You really need to re - think that last comment about season's over and go have fun. Unless you are portraying sarcasm. No coach can say that to his players this point in the season.
- jhawk59

I kinda got that feeling during last year's playoffs. The man was absent for all but the last two periods, when he suddenly flipped a switch and started flying around the blue line keeping pucks in the offensive zone that had no right staying in. I remember just shaking my head thinking "So you can still play like that, why weren't you doing it in the last three games?"