Declining asset

You are in a league of your own. Evidence of Dano, Enstrom and PoMo. Your opinions are laughable, particularly on Dano, Meyers, and the coach PoMo. Stay close to the phone, Chevy might call for some advice, lol.
- CharlieDog

Charlie. I think you've figured out why I call him Wrong-way Rexy. I don't even reply much to him much anymore other than the occasional joke. He's just a negative troll on here who likes to create controversy through what are mostly really asinine opinions. I mean really...anyone who thinks Myers is a bad Dman ,or Dano should be playing on a top line, or Hendricks is terrible, or that Maurice has done a terrible job.... really can't be anything but quite a few cards short of a full deck.

It’s sad if this for kicks and scary if he believes it.
Dano, like the guy, but he’s borderline NHL talent.
Hendricks has been a 4th line revaluation. Gritty, drops the mitts, good on Pk, blocks shots and the leadership apparently is great.
Myers having a great bounce back season. The Jets basically adding Kulikov and Myers (hurt all last year) is a very underreportrd reason they are so solid

When you mention the world " trade" in your headline you get 5 times as many posts. I guess its something Ek learned long ago. That being said I don't read anything Ek writes. His accuracy level must be below 1%.

It’s sad if this for kicks and scary if he believes it.
Dano, like the guy, but he’s borderline NHL talent.
Hendricks has been a 4th line revaluation. Gritty, drops the mitts, good on Pk, blocks shots and the leadership apparently is great.
Myers having a great bounce back season. The Jets basically adding Kulikov and Myers (hurt all last year) is a very underreportrd reason they are so solid
- jjonah

*runs hands together* Oh, this should be fun.

Alright, first things first: Marko Dano is pretty much a well rounded 2nd liner at this stage. He may not look it, but he does all those cliche “little things right”. That, and he’s 7th on our team in points per/60, which is excellent. For reference, Perreault was #2 in the league last I checked. His underlying numbers are excellent, he makes everyone he plays with better, and he draws a lot of penalties. That said, he is about 60% less effective on the left side for some reason. I do understand why people might see him as not all that good, as he skates... weird. Eventually people will realize Marko Dano is already a better version of what they hope Lemieux will become.

Second point: Matt Hendricks is not a good hockey player. I also do not in any way deny that his leadership abilities may actually be a thing. He is not passable as a 4th liner without one of Perreault, Roslovic, or Dano with him 24/7. He’s never been a good penalty killer. Last year, he was actually #5 on the list of least effective penalty killers in the NHL (Stuart and Tanev were 1 and 2). Gritty? Yeah, but who cares. Hitting accomplishes nothing of you aren’t getting puck possession from it. A player with very little ice time having a lot of blocked shots and hits is a VERY bad thing. The blocks tell you at a glance that they lack the talent to actually prevent the opposition from taking shots, and a lot of hits tells you they spend a lot of their time with the other team having the puck. He’s not even good at the one thing everyone kept chiming in about: winning faceoffs. He’s the only faceoff guy we have under 50% on the PK, he’s hanging at about 46% in the defensive zone (also last), and he’s under 50% on the season. Even if you’re not into the whole using information and evidence to form opinions thing, he’s visibly bad. He lags behind every play, stands still on the PK, and loses almost every puck battle. He’s only going to get worse.

*edit* Here’s a thing I wrote about Myers on AIH, in response to the Myers bit:
Myers has always been in the same boat as Byfuglien (albeit never as good), where you take the shaky defence in return for the offensive dominance.

My concern is that he seems to be getting dumber as a hockey player. I can’t remember the last time I saw him make a clean breakout pass. It’s either a pass in the skates, a pass into an opposing forwards’ shin pads, or a pass as soon as the player stops actively anticipating a pass (he hits Ehlers all the time right after he’s turned away). That, or he skates it up and either A: runs himself out of room and dumps it in, or B: gives it away along the boards.
Now, I’m not gonna say he’s not solid once we have it in the offensive zone, because that’s clearly where he thrives, but he’s even starting to struggle with the read-and-react situations away from the puck. How many times has he tried to put pressure on his winger just to get turned around along the boards for an odd man rush? Or why he likes to skate in front of or beside, and I mean within arms reach, of our goalie on the PK AWAY FROM HIS MAN for no apparent reason? His tendency to be WAY TOO CLOSE to Kulikov when they’re defending on the rush, leading to them both getting turned around because Myers has to pivot at the last second to try and keep his man wide, which usually leads to about 15-20 seconds of confused cycling around trying to cover people because he seems to lack spatial awareness.

I’m extremely frustrated with Myers, because I used to like him. He’s also a great comeback story, AND this city is forever tied to him. He’s also going to cost us a game 7 one day if Maurice doesn’t learn to shelter him.

It’s sad if this for kicks and scary if he believes it.
Dano, like the guy, but he’s borderline NHL talent.
Hendricks has been a 4th line revaluation. Gritty, drops the mitts, good on Pk, blocks shots and the leadership apparently is great.
Myers having a great bounce back season. The Jets basically adding Kulikov and Myers (hurt all last year) is a very underreportrd reason they are so solid
- jjonah

Well. Worst case is just confirmed....he actually believes it.

Well. Worst case is just confirmed....he actually believes it.
- jetsnation

If this was twitter, I’d tell you to @ me next time. You don’t respond to me because you have no way to refute anything. It’s all opinion without evidence.

I found the fabled lefty upgrade were apparently looking for: Damon Severson.
Myers for Severson and a 3rd. Prey Shero is as dumb as Hynes.

If this was twitter, I’d tell you to @ me next time. You don’t respond to me because you have no way to refute anything. It’s all opinion without evidence.
- Rexypoo

@Wrong-way Rexy. The evidence on this board is that you are blind as a bat.

@Wrong-way Rexy. The evidence on this board is that you are blind as a bat.
- jetsnation

Eloquent, detailed, and well thought out. I most of all like how well you managed to provide actual evidence for your argument. I approve.

Kadri is an elite 2C. Lemieux might end up a 4th liner. The closest thing we have to a Kadri is Dano.
- Rexypoo

Gardiner, Jvr, carrek

For

Trouba, poolman
- BrainSap

ahhh NOPE

Enstrom won’t waive for a trade he likes it here. And if he won’t then plan B will be sign at $1 million tops or let him walk.
I never said take LHD over best player available I said look at 3 ways to find one, build depth.
Toby is not effective, can live with him this year but he was a disaster against Anaheim in the playoffs and that won’t get better.
- jjonah

FYI. Enstrom has already waived for the Vegas draft. I believe we can trade him anytime we want now. I could be wrong, but I don't think so

FYI. Enstrom has already waived for the Vegas draft. I believe we can trade him anytime we want now. I could be wrong, but I don't think so
- sparky1957

I am not sure if any other team that is playoff bound wants him. He is OK here now, he likes it here apparently, he is obviously very smart player and I would not trade him now, no way. But, I hope mgmt does not give a big contract next year or any length of term. I said 1 mill max, 1 year but maybe that's not realistic. 2 mill, one year, 3 mill two years but mgmt can' t make a longer term commitment more than 2 years. Even 2 years sounds too much to me. The Trouba issue needs to get settled after this season is done, Poolman for me is a regular next year as he showed he is not a liability, ELC contract, and Tobi for depth. But, Trouba issue has to get settled for this team to move forward.

Toby is a decking asset and the decline is steep. He came here after back to back 50+ point season , the last 2 years 16 and 14 points , this year may hit 10 points. $15 million over these 3 year is nuts
- jjonah

I can't even remember when Toby even had a shot on net. He's in Ben Chairot territory now.

Declining asset
- jjonah

I think the asset is used up. I am only saying 1 year just to be nice as he agreed to Waive for Vegas, so mgmt might want to reward him with a 1 year deal or something. I think Tobi has some hockey left in him, but maybe that is in Sweden. I just can't see him in the NHL next year with the grind, the big forwards up against him in the corners, cap issues with needing to pay Morrisey and Trouba or a like Trouba asset in return. He has had a good career and maybe Sweden is callling where bigger ice and less grind extends his career.

I do not think we need a LHD, our top three D prospects (not including Poolman ) are all LH. Niku, Samberg, and Stanley. I hope we can some how sigh Trouba but I doubt it, the thought of Buff and Myers being our top two RHD scares the hell out of me and I would seriously consider moving some good forward depth for a RHD if Trouba ends up being moved for a forward.

Rexy, how dedicated you are to advanced stats is bothersome to me. You highlite when players you like excell at it in certain areas to make a point and make excuses for why players you don't can somehow manage to at times (like highliting Dano's points per min but making excuses for Hendy's points per minutes). Also, how can you be so all in on anylitics and not post anything negative about Wheeler being near the leagues worst at shots against when on the ice?

I do not think we need a LHD, our top three D prospects (not including Poolman ) are all LH. Niku, Samberg, and Stanley. I hope we can some how sigh Trouba but I doubt it, the thought of Buff and Myers being our top two RHD scares the hell out of me and I would seriously consider moving some good forward depth for a RHD if Trouba ends up being moved for a forward.

Rexy, how dedicated you are to advanced stats is bothersome to me. You highlite when players you like excell at it in certain areas to make a point and make excuses for why players you don't can somehow manage to at times (like highliting Dano's points per min but making excuses for Hendy's points per minutes). Also, how can you be so all in on anylitics and not post anything negative about Wheeler being near the leagues worst at shots against when on the ice?
- Ross77

Btw, Logan Stanley is 4th in scoring on the Ktichener Rangers (26w 13L 2) at 38 games played, 11 g 19a 30pts -1 70pim. The next Dman in scoring on the team is #9 at 20pts. I like him because he will fight and is already 240lbs in the 6 7 frame. I am prepared to wait for him and everything looks positive with Logan Stanley. Samberg looks good as well. There are good assets in the pipeline, Jets scouting is bang on and I am happy scouting is paying attention to the Northern US. Eric Foley, Roslovic, Connor, Samberg, Poolman, etc shows there are lots of potential close to home, even if they are on the other side of the border. Way to go scouts!

Rexy, how dedicated you are to advanced stats is bothersome to me. You highlite when players you like excell at it in certain areas to make a point and make excuses for why players you don't can somehow manage to at times (like highliting Dano's points per min but making excuses for Hendy's points per minutes). Also, how can you be so all in on anylitics and not post anything negative about Wheeler being near the leagues worst at shots against when on the ice?
- Ross77

That would be because Hendricks okay-ish performance is far outside anything he’s done in his entire career, and it’s weird that it would happen when he has the best linemates of his entire career. Almost as of the two things are related. By weird, I mean it’s totally unsustainable, and has 0 to do with him. Without Perreault, Dano, and Roslovic, Hendricks is again at the bottom of the league.

I hype up Dano because he’s always performed at a high level. It’s consistent, carries across 3 teams, and his linemates improve with him (unlike with Hendricks).

I don’t mention the shot shares with the 81-55-26 line because, again, it’s not normal. Connor is a rookie, and young guys tend to struggle at first with puck possession numbers. Both Scheifele and Wheeler are elite players, especially Wheeler, and this isn’t normal for either of them. They’ll trend back up again as the season rolls on. Despite them being corsi’d at an unusual rate this year, they still outscore the opposition, and so I don’t complain.

That would be because Hendricks okay-ish performance is far outside anything he’s done in his entire career, and it’s weird that it would happen when he has the best linemates of his entire career. Almost as of the two things are related. By weird, I mean it’s totally unsustainable, and has 0 to do with him. Without Perreault, Dano, and Roslovic, Hendricks is again at the bottom of the league.

I hype up Dano because he’s always performed at a high level. It’s consistent, carries across 3 teams, and his linemates improve with him (unlike with Hendricks).

I don’t mention the shot shares with the 81-55-26 line because, again, it’s not normal. Connor is a rookie, and young guys tend to struggle at first with puck possession numbers. Both Scheifele and Wheeler are elite players, especially Wheeler, and this isn’t normal for either of them. They’ll trend back up again as the season rolls on. Despite them being corsi’d at an unusual rate this year, they still outscore the opposition, and so I don’t complain.
- Rexypoo

But you hype up an injury prone Enstrom. He has only played 82 games once for the Jets. His next closest season as a Jets is 72 games. Just saying.

Andrew Shaw - go for it, Chevy!

But you hype up an injury prone Enstrom. He has only played 82 games once for the Jets. His next closest season as a Jets is 72 games. Just saying.
- TheUltimateJet

You know how I feel about non-sequiturs in a hockey debate. But yeah, I hype up Toby because he’s perpetually under-appreciated by this fan base. He spent 8 years as a legit top pairing dman, and now that he’s starting to wind down, people act like he’s not even an NHL player. He’s still top 4. He’s still our #4. We’re better with him in our lineup, we can’t trade for an adequate replacement without losing something big, and we literally couldn’t have signed an adequate replacement in free agency last year. He will be getting an extension, and I wouldn’t be surprised at a 3x2 or 2x3 discount just because he loves it here. Dude has been nothing but a warrior for this franchise, and some idiot fans want him gone because he’s 5’10”.

Andrew Shaw - go for it, Chevy!
- bennythehat

Lolwut? Overpaid 4th liner with a knack for bad penalties. That, and being blatantly homophobic. No thanks.