I personally feel that :

To be a successful nhl franchise you need high end talent and a feeder system from the ahl.

Right now we are lining up for another high pick and the amerks are 3Rd overall.

I believed in the original mceichel tank and stand bye the sabres this year.

I'm also a season ticket holder , the games and the atmosphere at the arena sucks. We need another top player to go with eichel.

There is no short cut
- Boss34

Don't get too excited about Rochester.

A lot of their success is brought on by "AHL-lifers." I don't mind it, because it gets our prospects in the mindset of winning. CJ Smith, Nylander, Bailey, Baptiste and Guhle are all getting positive experience.

I believed in the tank, but I think you could point to the success of Las Vegas as an argument against it. They pulled together a bunch of "middle-tier" players and they're tied for the top of the Western Conference. They identified what they wanted to do and they did it.

We all blamed Bylsma and his system for making our players worse. Now we're blaming the players for not executing the system. It just seems like we're always trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Time to jettison this core.

Don't get too excited about Rochester.

A lot of their success is brought on by "AHL-lifers." I don't mind it, because it gets our prospects in the mindset of winning. CJ Smith, Nylander, Bailey, Baptiste and Guhle are all getting positive experience.

I believed in the tank, but I think you could point to the success of Las Vegas as an argument against it. They pulled together a bunch of "middle-tier" players and they're tied for the top of the Western Conference. They identified what they wanted to do and they did it.

We all blamed Bylsma and his system for making our players worse. Now we're blaming the players for not executing the system. It just seems like we're always trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Time to jettison this core.
- TerryPegula

Vegas hasn't won a cup. Pittsburgh and Chicago have 6 cups in 8 years following tanking

Don't get too excited about Rochester.

A lot of their success is brought on by "AHL-lifers." I don't mind it, because it gets our prospects in the mindset of winning. CJ Smith, Nylander, Bailey, Baptiste and Guhle are all getting positive experience.

I believed in the tank, but I think you could point to the success of Las Vegas as an argument against it. They pulled together a bunch of "middle-tier" players and they're tied for the top of the Western Conference. They identified what they wanted to do and they did it.

We all blamed Bylsma and his system for making our players worse. Now we're blaming the players for not executing the system. It just seems like we're always trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Time to jettison this core.
- TerryPegula

Well said. Good luck 'jettisoning' this core. Teams will only want the pieces you want to keep.

Says the guy who admits to not watching the games.

Rah Rah is better than abandoment
- Boss34

Vegas hasn't won a cup. Pittsburgh and Chicago have 6 cups in 8 years following tanking
- jcragcrumple

Pittsburgh and Chicago both got two hall of famers following tanking. At best we got 1.

Pittsburgh and Chicago both got two hall of famers following tanking. At best we got 1.
- Buffalo--Sabres

The tank continues

I was really, really hoping we would have landed Gallant when he got kicked out of Fla. Not sure of long-term success with his coaching style, but he seems to have a big dose of Ted nolan's go-get-em mentality but with grasp of analytics (and x and o)s.

Housley seems to be similar to Disco in that the system is everything and if there is failure then it is because the players drifted away from said system, rather than the system being not suited to the personnel. At least what Housley's system wants to be is way better to watch than DD's was.

Pittsburgh and Chicago both got two hall of famers following tanking. At best we got 1.
- Buffalo--Sabres

Hopefully 1... Is it true Eichel is a problem in the lockerroom?

The tank continues
- jcragcrumple

Hopefully 1... Is it true Eichel is a problem in the lockerroom?
- rapperray

Now way. This team just has no talent. From what I hear Reinhart is way closer to being a problem.

Eichel needs to play on a real team with purpose and he will come alive. This team is just a lame duck.

Now way. This team just has no talent. From what I hear Reinhart is way closer to being a problem.

Eichel needs to play on a real team with purpose and he will come alive. This team is just a lame duck.
- Buffalo--Sabres

I still feel a top notch goalie would be nice

Feb 1st vs the Panthers I will be in attendance.

I will be commanding our forces from seat 3, row 8, section 112. If they shoot and there is a save, I will yell, "You need to pass, puck hog!" and if they pass and there is a save, I will yell, "You need to shoooooooot!". If there's a goal, I'll know they listened.

I will make sure to get up and wave to all of you when the puck is in my corner. You all better wave back!

I still feel a top notch goalie would be nice
- rapperray

We're last in scoring in the league, again. Any middle of the road guy like Lehner is fine for now.

I still feel a top notch goalie would be nice
- rapperray

Goaltending is not the problem right now. Lehner is an adequate starter. Top notch would be nice, but we'd still be last or close to it.

Feb 1st vs the Panthers I will be in attendance.

I will be commanding our forces from seat 3, row 8, section 112. If they shoot and there is a save, I will yell, "You need to pass, puck hog!" and if they pass and there is a save, I will yell, "You need to shoooooooot!". If there's a goal, I'll know they listened.

I will make sure to get up and wave to all of you when the puck is in my corner. You all better wave back!
- RhinoFan

Be sure to yell "SET IT UP"

Vegas hasn't won a cup. Pittsburgh and Chicago have 6 cups in 8 years following tanking
- jcragcrumple

Oh, for sure. Pittsburgh and Chicago have seen a ton of success because they were able to draft high-prized talent over a few years time. But they had to make those players "work" for their organization as well. They had to come up with the right system and execute it.

I think a lot of people (not saying you) thought that Eichel was just going to come in here and single handedly fix it all regardless of coaching. When that didn't happen, we blamed Bylsma. Now we're blaming the players.

Basically, we need to pick something and stick with it or else we're going to be stuck in limbo forever and ever.

Be sure to yell "SET IT UP"
- jcragcrumple

Oh yes, all of that. Can't wait.

"Drop it", "Set it up", "Shoot it" and "Hit em"

Couple of those, few shooters and I'll be ready for Pearl Street.

Shea Theodore had 4 points last night

He went to Vegas to protect Manson and Vatanen.

Vatanen was then traded for Henrique.

They gave up Shea Theodore, who’s undoubtedly going to be better than Vatanen, to get a 3rd line center.

My god GM’s are stupid
- sbroads24

Does Shea Theodore get the minutes to produce like that in Anaheim, though? I am not saying that it was the greatest move, but the NHL made these expansion rules the way they did in order to make Vegas competitive. And it's working out just that way so far.

We're last in scoring in the league, again. Any middle of the road guy like Lehner is fine for now.
- Buffalo--Sabres

I guess I am an old timer who believes you build a team up the middle starting with goaltending...

So this begs the question... How does an expansion team get so much more talent than a "supposedly" established team?
- rapperray

When the league set the parameters for the expansion team that basically is picking 30 players, one from each team that comes from the bottom 50% of each NHL teams' roster, you're going to grab some nice players and put together a team better than those teams that are rebuilding.

Oh, for sure. Pittsburgh and Chicago have seen a ton of success because they were able to draft high-prized talent over a few years time. But they had to make those players "work" for their organization as well. They had to come up with the right system and execute it.

I think a lot of people (not saying you) thought that Eichel was just going to come in here and single handedly fix it all regardless of coaching. When that didn't happen, we blamed Bylsma. Now we're blaming the players.

Basically, we need to pick something and stick with it or else we're going to be stuck in limbo forever and ever.
- TerryPegula

good point

When the league set the parameters for the expansion team that basically is picking 30 players, one from each team that comes from the bottom 50% of each NHL teams' roster, you're going to grab some nice players and put together a team better than those teams that are rebuilding.
- sskkoo1

yup.. i get it

Oh yes, all of that. Can't wait.

"Drop it", "Set it up", "Shoot it" and "Hit em"

Couple of those, few shooters and I'll be ready for Pearl Street.
- RhinoFan

100% of goals not scored results from someone in section 118 abdicating their responsibility to tell players to either set it up, skate or shoooooot.

That's just facts

When the league set the parameters for the expansion team that basically is picking 30 players, one from each team that comes from the bottom 50% of each NHL teams' roster, you're going to grab some nice players and put together a team better than those teams that are rebuilding.
- sskkoo1

Better than some rebuilding teams is one thing. An expansion team that is leading its division at Christmas time is another.

Better than some rebuilding teams is one thing. An expansion team that is leading its division at Christmas time is another.
- buffalofan19

You know my point has been that the Sabres have been at this rebuilding for like 9 years. At what point in time do they actually get it right and start to at least compete?