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GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Dec 19 @ 3:30 PM ET
Pedophiles love parents that overshare their kids online. They invest time into those children so when they grow up and start taking selfies, the collection is terabytes!
- 51_Killer


That is true a guy messaged me and sent me a image of himself quite terrifying haha
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Dec 19 @ 3:32 PM ET
I want him to be a leader on this team

way too talented for this team to be 30th place

and he plays a fraction of the game he plays for team canada

it's not a crime to expect your better players to lead this team to a much better place then where we are at

- homiedclown


He also plays at least twice as much per game for the Sabres. It's a lot harder to keep up that energy for 21 minutes than it is for 10.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Dec 19 @ 3:38 PM ET
I agree, my comment was just saying if they do decide to bring up smith or baptiste, please play them with Eichel or ROR. Not bottom 6
- jcragcrumple



Ok, I agree , it's hard to see how talented the kids are when they play on the 4th line.

Hope they leave ulmark in rochester until we clinche the bottom spot or 2
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
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Dec 19 @ 3:45 PM ET
I will never understand the fascination with making this a thing
- jcragcrumple


It's because he could just record one, and then play it after every loss.

It's like(start at 0:37):




I feel like that's what everyone in the room is thinking when ROR answers questions after a loss.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Dec 19 @ 3:49 PM ET
It's because he could just record one, and then play it after every loss.

It's like(start at 0:37):




I feel like that's what everyone in the room is thinking when ROR answers questions after a loss.

- Wetbandit1



I did not score
It's bullpoop
I did not

Oh hi Phil


Idk, it's such a trivial thing. Is he supposed to say "I think I played Ok, we all did" or "my linemates suck and the d doesn't score"

All pro athletes speak in cliches to the media
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
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Dec 19 @ 3:59 PM ET
I did not score
It's bullpoop
I did not

Oh hi Phil


Idk, it's such a trivial thing. Is he supposed to say "I think I played Ok, we all did" or "my linemates suck and the d doesn't score"

All pro athletes speak in cliches to the media

- jcragcrumple


Change it up a little maybe? There are many ways to say the same thing.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Dec 19 @ 4:03 PM ET
Change it up a little maybe? There are many ways to say the same thing.
- Wetbandit1



How many times have heard a player say "we gotta get it in deep, play hard, finish our checks and hopefully get a win."

Just skip the interview until his teammates start scoring and then he won't have to give these speeches every night bc we'll be winning
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Dec 19 @ 4:10 PM ET
2nd most offensive zone starts
2nd most PP time of any Sabre


Stop with this

- sbroads24




ROR has the 2nd highest off zone start % at 5v5 on the Sabres?

Link please

Bc i surely do not believe that
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Dec 19 @ 4:11 PM ET
51.3% Dzone start with a Corsi for of 50.9; so while he primarily starts in the D zone, he finishes in the O zone
- jcragcrumple


That sounds good to me though?
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Dec 19 @ 4:17 PM ET
ROR has the 2nd highest off zone start % at 5v5 on the Sabres?

Link please

Bc i surely do not believe that

- jdfitz77

Why would percentage matter?

And I apologize, he’s 3rd among forwards, Kane and Eichel have more than him.

Johan Larson and Jordan Nolan are used “mostly” in a defensive role.

Ryan O’Reilly is used everywhere and is given a ton of offensive chances
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Dec 19 @ 4:22 PM ET
Why would percentage matter?

And I apologize, he’s 3rd among forwards, Kane and Eichel have more than him.

Johan Larson and Jordan Nolan are used “mostly” in a defensive role.

Ryan O’Reilly is used everywhere and is given a ton of offensive chances

- sbroads24


Bc obviously a guy who plays 20+ minutes is gonna have more offensive zone starts than guys on the 3rd & 4th line who play a lot less

Compare Oreilly’s offensive zone starts to his defensive

Not his numbers to Nolan’s

That’s laughable man


But just to play along...
who has the most defensive zone starts just by raw numbers on the Sabres?

How about in the entire league?
Betcha ROR is pretty high on that list
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Dec 19 @ 4:25 PM ET
Bc obviously a guy who plays 20+ minutes is gonna have more offensive zone starts than guys on the 3rd & 4th line who play a lot less

Compare Oreilly’s offensive zone starts to his defensive

Not his numbers to Nolan’s

That’s laughable man


But just to play along...
who has the most defensive zone starts just by raw numbers on the Sabres?

How about in the entire league?
Betcha ROR is pretty high on that
list

- jdfitz77

This doesn’t negate him playing the 2nd most PP time, and 3rd most offensive zone starts on the team.

He’s top 30 among forwards in PP time per game.

He’s used a ton in offensive and defensive roles.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Dec 19 @ 4:31 PM ET
This doesn’t negate him playing the 2nd most PP time, and 3rd most offensive zone starts on the team.

He’s top 30 among forwards in PP time per game.

He’s used a ton in offensive and defensive roles.

- sbroads24


U just love not answering questions that’ll crush your argument

Ok... I’ll continue to play with your cherry picked stats

ROR is 3rd in off zone starts for us, right?

Where is he in scoring?

Pretty crazy how that lines up...
isn’t it?

EDIT
Can’t wait to see what stat u use to try & change the narrative now
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Dec 19 @ 4:35 PM ET
U just love not answering questions that’ll crush your argument

Ok... I’ll continue to play with your cherry picked stats

ROR is 3rd in off zone starts for us, right?

Where is he in scoring?

Pretty crazy how that lines up...
isn’t it?

- jdfitz77


You’re impossible

“He’s used in mostly a defensive role” yet gets more offensive advantages than 80% of our forwards.

It’s not my argument that got crushed
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Dec 19 @ 4:38 PM ET

You’re impossible

“He’s used in mostly a defensive role” yet gets more offensive advantages than 80% of our forwards.

It’s not my argument that got crushed

- sbroads24


What are his off zone starts to def zone starts?
Go ahead....

And yeah, u did get crushed again with your cherry picking
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Dec 19 @ 4:41 PM ET

You’re impossible

“He’s used in mostly a defensive role” yet gets more offensive advantages than 80% of our forwards.

It’s not my argument that got crushed

- sbroads24



Where should the guy who is 3rd in offensive zone starts rank on our team in scoring?
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Dec 19 @ 4:59 PM ET
Where should the guy who is 3rd in offensive zone starts rank on our team in scoring?
- jdfitz77



well hes third in scoring at even strength (since we're talking zone starts) and i assume that's what you're getting at.


Interestingly McCabe is fourth

Edit: T-27th among d-men in the league
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Dec 19 @ 5:08 PM ET
What are his off zone starts to def zone starts?
Go ahead....

And yeah, u did get crushed again with your cherry picking

- jdfitz77

Ryan O’Reilly has taken the 77th most offensive zone draws amongst forwards.

1st line numbers
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Dec 19 @ 5:08 PM ET
well hes third in scoring at even strength (since we're talking zone starts) and i assume that's what you're getting at.


Interestingly McCabe is fourth

Edit: T-27th among d-men in the league

- Sabresfan-365



And he’s 3rd overall in scoring

Not surprised Sbroads went silent here
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Dec 19 @ 5:11 PM ET
And he’s 3rd overall in scoring

Not surprised Sbroads went silent here

- jdfitz77

Silent about what? Im confused as to what the point is now.

He takes tough defensive minutes, but also gets a ton of offensive minuets and PP time. That’s the bottom line
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Dec 19 @ 5:13 PM ET
Where should the guy who is 3rd in offensive zone starts rank on our team in scoring?
- jdfitz77


Sometimes ror takes defensive face offs and heads directly to the bench. I imagine it happens occasionally in the offensive zone all well.

Not sure if this matters
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
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Dec 19 @ 5:32 PM ET
How many times have heard a player say "we gotta get it in deep, play hard, finish our checks and hopefully get a win."

Just skip the interview until his teammates start scoring and then he won't have to give these speeches every night bc we'll be winning

- jcragcrumple



That's just as bad.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Dec 19 @ 5:35 PM ET
It's because he could just record one, and then play it after every loss.

It's like(start at 0:37):




I feel like that's what everyone in the room is thinking when ROR answers questions after a loss.

- Wetbandit1

I am going to watch that movie tomorrow morning
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
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Dec 19 @ 5:43 PM ET
Silent about what? Im confused as to what the point is now.

He takes tough defensive minutes, but also gets a ton of offensive minuets and PP time. That’s the bottom line

- sbroads24


It's not really the bottom line though. Playing a ton of defense before/alongside playing a ton of offense is going to wear you out faster than if you flip it.

I guarantee if you took away 15% of his DZone draws and left his OZone draws unchanged his scoring would increase.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
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Dec 19 @ 5:46 PM ET
I am going to watch that movie tomorrow morning
- homiedclown


It's good. The stuff they did shot-for-shot was really good, James Franco was uncanny except for one word that he dramatized a bit. Dave Franco was pretty good. The girl was amazing, her mother wasn't.

But overall it's an interesting look at how the movie got made.

If you haven't seen the room I highly recommend seeing it first, but it's not essential.
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