deadpoulet
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Location: Montreal Joined: 07.01.2008
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agreed - mr.peanut
Explain why. |
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stinger67
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: QC Joined: 07.03.2008
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I wish. I applied, but they don't hire outed Nazis. - hscesq
Kinda liked Radulov's shootout goal at MSG last night |
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Not_Yan
St Louis Blues |
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Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes. Joined: 04.19.2013
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Stopped reading at Galchenyuk : you won't get value for him
Come on |
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hscesq
Referee Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: Our debt is easily solvable considering the assets owned by the province. QP, NY Joined: 06.26.2007
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hscesq
Referee Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: Our debt is easily solvable considering the assets owned by the province. QP, NY Joined: 06.26.2007
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Good On Paper
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Location: Montreal, QC Joined: 04.13.2009
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If we're talking about rebuilding and trading assets, I think most, if not all, players are available. Now, the question is a what are their value. Here's my thinking, in alphabetical order:
Alzner: Trade. Don't think he has much value, though. Contract is terrible. Don't trade and retain salary, so most likely, we keep him.
Benn: Trade. Get at least a 3rd rounder, I don't think it's unrealistic.
Paul Byron: Not sure again. Depends on value. Really good contract, works great, good example for upcoming kids. Again, you will need bodies to fill the team. High 2nd or higher, go for it. Anything less, ride it out and see if he can get any better.
Danault: Keep. He's young a good C for us. And on the plus side, he's French.
De la Rose: No value, so might as well keep him.
Drouin: Keep.
Galchenyuk: Keep. You won't get value for him.
Gallagher: Keep. Unless you get a 1st rounder, which I don't expect. Again, you need to build around something. He's still young and you might name him captain of the team.
Hemsky: Buy-out (just kidding, use him to fill the roster until the end of the year, anyway, his contract is up, but man... he's terrible!).
Hudon: Keep. Good player and he's French, so, you know...
Jerabek: Keep, of course.
Lehkonen: Keep. Still young and more value on the team than in trade.
Lindgren: Keep. Bring him up.
Mete: Do I really need to specify keep? I'd also say play him more...
Montoya: Keep. He's terrible, he has no value but you'll still need a back-up.
Morrow: Trade? I don't think he has much trade value... A 4th rounder might get it done.
Niemi: Trade (haha!). If you get a 5th, you run with it. Otherwise, just bury him in the minors.
Pacioretty: Definite trade. Is supposed to be the heart and soul of this team, and clearly, since he was named captain, the leadership has been missing. He's also way too streaky and his new contract will kill us against the cap. His value right now is super low, so keep him as long as you can and trade at the trade deadline. I'd expect a 1st + prospect.
Petry: Trade. 2nd rounder +. I think his contract might scare a few teams, but I don't think I'd retain salary on this one. More like a Draft tradeable asset.
Plekanec: Trade. Retain as much salary as you can to maximize return. Anyway, his contract is up at the end of the year and you have a ton of cap space. If you can get a 1st rounder by retaining 90% salary, you do it. Of course, that's probably not realistic, so 50% retained for a 2nd rounder+ would be good.
Price: Trade. By the time this team is competitive, he'll be too old and way too expensive. Not sure what you'll get with his insane contract. I hope it's least a 1st, a high center prospect and current 2nd liner. You may keep some of his salary to get a better deal, like 10%, but nothing higher.
Schlemko: Keep, I guess. I haven't seen him much to know what he brings and his value.
Shaw: Trade. 2nd rounder, and retain some salary, like 20-25%, for a high-risk-prospect.
Weber: Keep. You won't get fair value and you'll need a good defenseman on this team to teach the youngsters. You'll trade later on when the team is better and his cap hit becomes a problem to a low-cap team.
I don't think anyone in Laval has any value, aside maybe from Juulsen, who I'd keep, so I don't care who goes or stays. But you'll need to ice a team, so don't give everyone away either.
Under this scenario, the lineup would look something like:
Galchenyuk - Drouin - Byron
Lehkonen - Danault - Gallagher
Carr - De la Rose - Hudon
Deslauriers - Froese - McCarron
Hemsky - Terry
Weber - Mete
Alzner - Jerabek
Juulsen - Schlemko
Morrow
Lindgren
Montoya
Terrible lineup, but that's kind of the point. There are still some good young players that you can surround better and complement with good drafting. - YodaOldBoy
Well that's not what the lineup would actually look like if they do all those trades you're proposing...but interesting thoughts nonetheless.
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mr.peanut
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Location: The Fan of Hockey. Welcome Utah!, QC Joined: 12.18.2011
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Explain why. - deadpoulet
i don't want you to steal my notes then go around acting as if you read it too |
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hscesq
Referee Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: Our debt is easily solvable considering the assets owned by the province. QP, NY Joined: 06.26.2007
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i don't want you to steal my notes then go around acting as if you read it too - mr.peanut
Typical deceased chicken. |
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Good On Paper
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: Montreal, QC Joined: 04.13.2009
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Stopped reading at Galchenyuk : you won't get value for him
Come on - Not_Yan
What do you think we could get for him? |
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Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers |
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Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh Joined: 04.06.2011
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If we're talking about rebuilding and trading assets, I think most, if not all, players are available. Now, the question is a what are their value. Here's my thinking, in alphabetical order:
Alzner: Trade. Don't think he has much value, though. Contract is terrible. Don't trade and retain salary, so most likely, we keep him.
Benn: Trade. Get at least a 3rd rounder, I don't think it's unrealistic.
Paul Byron: Not sure again. Depends on value. Really good contract, works great, good example for upcoming kids. Again, you will need bodies to fill the team. High 2nd or higher, go for it. Anything less, ride it out and see if he can get any better.
Danault: Keep. He's young a good C for us. And on the plus side, he's French.
De la Rose: No value, so might as well keep him.
Drouin: Keep.
Galchenyuk: Keep. You won't get value for him.
Gallagher: Keep. Unless you get a 1st rounder, which I don't expect. Again, you need to build around something. He's still young and you might name him captain of the team.
Hemsky: Buy-out (just kidding, use him to fill the roster until the end of the year, anyway, his contract is up, but man... he's terrible!).
Hudon: Keep. Good player and he's French, so, you know...
Jerabek: Keep, of course.
Lehkonen: Keep. Still young and more value on the team than in trade.
Lindgren: Keep. Bring him up.
Mete: Do I really need to specify keep? I'd also say play him more...
Montoya: Keep. He's terrible, he has no value but you'll still need a back-up.
Morrow: Trade? I don't think he has much trade value... A 4th rounder might get it done.
Niemi: Trade (haha!). If you get a 5th, you run with it. Otherwise, just bury him in the minors.
Pacioretty: Definite trade. Is supposed to be the heart and soul of this team, and clearly, since he was named captain, the leadership has been missing. He's also way too streaky and his new contract will kill us against the cap. His value right now is super low, so keep him as long as you can and trade at the trade deadline. I'd expect a 1st + prospect.
Petry: Trade. 2nd rounder +. I think his contract might scare a few teams, but I don't think I'd retain salary on this one. More like a Draft tradeable asset.
Plekanec: Trade. Retain as much salary as you can to maximize return. Anyway, his contract is up at the end of the year and you have a ton of cap space. If you can get a 1st rounder by retaining 90% salary, you do it. Of course, that's probably not realistic, so 50% retained for a 2nd rounder+ would be good.
Price: Trade. By the time this team is competitive, he'll be too old and way too expensive. Not sure what you'll get with his insane contract. I hope it's least a 1st, a high center prospect and current 2nd liner. You may keep some of his salary to get a better deal, like 10%, but nothing higher.
Schlemko: Keep, I guess. I haven't seen him much to know what he brings and his value.
Shaw: Trade. 2nd rounder, and retain some salary, like 20-25%, for a high-risk-prospect.
Weber: Keep. You won't get fair value and you'll need a good defenseman on this team to teach the youngsters. You'll trade later on when the team is better and his cap hit becomes a problem to a low-cap team.
I don't think anyone in Laval has any value, aside maybe from Juulsen, who I'd keep, so I don't care who goes or stays. But you'll need to ice a team, so don't give everyone away either.
Under this scenario, the lineup would look something like:
Galchenyuk - Drouin - Byron
Lehkonen - Danault - Gallagher
Carr - De la Rose - Hudon
Deslauriers - Froese - McCarron
Hemsky - Terry
Weber - Mete
Alzner - Jerabek
Juulsen - Schlemko
Morrow
Lindgren
Montoya
Terrible lineup, but that's kind of the point. There are still some good young players that you can surround better and complement with good drafting. - YodaOldBoy
New Blog! Thanks Smiles. |
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Not_Yan
St Louis Blues |
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Location: it's an excellent product, easier, quicker, and even better than real mashed potatoes. Joined: 04.19.2013
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What do you think we could get for him? - Good On Paper
Similar age forward who is a real centre
Bjugstad
Jankowski
Coyle
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mr.peanut
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Location: The Fan of Hockey. Welcome Utah!, QC Joined: 12.18.2011
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Similar age forward who is a real centre
Bjugstad
Jankowski
Coyle - Not_Yan
i believe from those 3, jankowski is the only one they could get 1 for 1, or the flames add. but this seems like the most comparable players |
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WaterBoy
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Location: Gardez-le votre ANGLAIS, YT Joined: 06.27.2006
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sti d'calice de criss de neige |
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Good On Paper
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: Montreal, QC Joined: 04.13.2009
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Similar age forward who is a real centre
Bjugstad
Jankowski
Coyle - Not_Yan
Bjugstad would be nice. Not sure the other 2 would help. |
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stinger67
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: QC Joined: 07.03.2008
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Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers |
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Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh Joined: 04.06.2011
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Similar age forward who is a real centre
Bjugstad
Jankowski
Coyle - Not_Yan
Can't give up Jankowski. We're just 3 more years away from when he will be the best player in the draft per Craig Button. |
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pete26
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: (HE, HIM, HIS), ON Joined: 11.20.2008
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There won’t be a rebuild.
Sorry. |
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hscesq
Referee Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: Our debt is easily solvable considering the assets owned by the province. QP, NY Joined: 06.26.2007
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There won’t be a rebuild.
Sorry. - pete26
Yep. |
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fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks |
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Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC Joined: 08.10.2008
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He's living in the past. - deadpoulet
that happens sometimes when there's less time in front of you then there is behind |
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YodaOldBoy
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: The Island of Falling Bridges, QC Joined: 08.09.2010
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Well that's not what the lineup would actually look like if they do all those trades you're proposing...but interesting thoughts nonetheless. - Good On Paper
I only listed the players I'd keep and all the prospects, because I'm not covering those in the trades. Most likely, some would be gone and replaced by other prospects and you might get a few NHL-ready players, but that's getting too much into speculation. I'm basically, just trying to get a sense of who we'd get rid and what we'd get in return.
From my list, return would be something along the lines of:
1st round (2x)
2nd round (3x)
3rd round (2x)
4th round
high center prospect
prospect (2x)
NHL 2nd liner
NHL 3rd liner |
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mr.peanut
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Location: The Fan of Hockey. Welcome Utah!, QC Joined: 12.18.2011
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I only listed the players I'd keep and all the prospects, because I'm not covering those in the trades. Most likely, some would be gone and replaced by other prospects and you might get a few NHL-ready players, but that's getting too much into speculation. I'm basically, just trying to get a sense of who we'd get rid and what we'd get in return.
From my list, return would be something along the lines of:
1st round (2x)
2nd round (3x)
3rd round (2x)
4th round
high center prospect
prospect (2x)
NHL 2nd liner
NHL 3rd liner - YodaOldBoy
at least! |
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deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: Montreal Joined: 07.01.2008
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Stopped reading at Galchenyuk : you won't get value for him
Come on - Not_Yan
Well, he might be right. |
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pete26
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: (HE, HIM, HIS), ON Joined: 11.20.2008
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Yep. - hscesq
Bergeron would never admit defeat. |
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Symba007
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON Joined: 02.26.2007
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Bergeron would never admit defeat. - pete26
Michel? Patrice? |
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BashCH
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: The legendary Don Cherry agrees with me..., QC Joined: 04.27.2010
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agreed - mr.peanut
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