I know... It's (frank)ing retarded. I bet they were eating their own feces when they were 15.
- laughs2907

It's the internet....who can say for sure.

It's the internet....who can say for sure.
- Larsson_fan

So a bunch of grown men have been hating on you since you were fifteen years old? How pathetic is that? On a hockey blog no less. Jesus I didn’t know you were just a teenager. I’m guessing none of them have kids.
- shack67

It bugged me when I was like 16. I don't care anymore. I find it funny.

*insert joke at my own expense about how no one reads long posts*

What a bunch of drama queens and crybabies this fan base is. Grow the (frank) up. We're 5 points out of a playoff spot with one of our best dmen out of the lineup. Second last or not, that's a lot of ground to make up. Anyone who couldn't predict us having a slow start to the season is an idiot. We actually haven't played that bad of hockey as a whole this season.

I hate Chia, I miss Hall, I miss Eberle, I miss Shultz, I miss Pouliot, I miss Yakupov. What a (frank)ing joke!!! What did we ever win with that group of chumps? Who cares what they're doing on other teams. They were all moved for valid reasons.

I don't hold a grudge, I just think you're a moron. Not as much of a moron as Hallfan but a close 2nd for saying idiotic things ( the Porcino one was only one of your many 'what if?' Unicorn posts.

Also, Iggy and I are the true HB tag team champions. We call out the stupids, (frank) their moms/sisters/wives/girlfriends and leave a stain on the mattress.
- Larsson_fan

Seriously? I've seen what you look like and you ain't getting (frank) all for wussy Mr. Potatohead. Try again.

What a bunch of drama queens and crybabies this fan base is. Grow the (frank) up. We're 5 points out of a playoff spot with one of our best dmen out of the lineup. Second last or not, that's a lot of ground to make up. Anyone who couldn't predict us having a slow start to the season is an idiot. We actually haven't played that bad of hockey as a whole this season.

I hate Chia, I miss Hall, I miss Eberle, I miss Shultz, I miss Pouliot, I miss Yakupov. What a (frank)ing joke!!! What did we ever win with that group of chumps? Who cares what they're doing on other teams. They were all moved for valid reasons.
- Ihatebrianburke

There's a difference between a "slow start" and a team that's 7-11-2, not scoring at 5-on-5, note defending well and has generally looked out of sync more often than not. A slow start for a team with the expectations ours had is .500 hockey; not being in tough to even get a wildcard spot by late-November.

I don't think it's so much that they miss those players individually, but instead that they miss team speed and scoring and enjoyment that comes with it.

There's a difference between a "slow start" and a team that's 7-11-2, not scoring at 5-on-5, note defending well and has generally looked out of sync more often than not. A slow start for a team with the expectations ours had is .500 hockey; not being in tough to even get a wildcard spot by late-November.

I don't think it's so much that they miss those players individually, but instead that they miss team speed and scoring and enjoyment that comes with it.
- MaximumBone

So is it Chiarelli's fault that Klefbom has played like crap, the team has low shooting percentages, and that Talbot has let in some questionable goals? Those are 3 major factors to our losing thus far

What a bunch of drama queens and crybabies this fan base is. Grow the (frank) up. We're 5 points out of a playoff spot with one of our best dmen out of the lineup. Second last or not, that's a lot of ground to make up. Anyone who couldn't predict us having a slow start to the season is an idiot. We actually haven't played that bad of hockey as a whole this season.

I hate Chia, I miss Hall, I miss Eberle, I miss Shultz, I miss Pouliot, I miss Yakupov. What a (frank)ing joke!!! What did we ever win with that group of chumps? Who cares what they're doing on other teams. They were all moved for valid reasons.
- Ihatebrianburke

“Slow start” is code for “I don’t wanna admit that we might be fuked cause the team is flawed”

Drama queens like how? The team is struggling and can’t turn it around. A full quarter of the season in. Just cause U wanna assume it’s nothing more than a slow start, doesn’t mean it’s not every bit as reasonable to assume its far more than just a slow start due to bad luck.

Saying we didn’t win with said group is a totally false equivalency. It’s simply disingenuous to imply flaws on Hall/eberle because of our results, if you don’t also mention that a healthy full season of mcdavid, Cam Talbot, a developed leon and a developed Klefbom weren’t part of the equation

It’s no different than saying “chiarelli had the balls to make the moves that mact wouldnt” and then ignoring the fact chiarelli had Connor McDavid and those pieces I mentioned, while mact didn’t

Your entire argument is based around false equivalents while purposefully ignoring reality

So is it Chiarelli's fault that Klefbom has played like crap, the team has low shooting percentages, and that Talbot has let in some questionable goals? Those are 3 major factors to our losing thus far
- Ihatebrianburke

No, it’s his fault that he assumed development both individually and organizationally is always linear in a positive fashion. With that said, he didn’t bother providing insulation and felt comfortable actively regressing on paper because of those assumptions.

Just a massive blunder.

“Slow start” is code for “I don’t wanna admit that we might be fuked cause the team is flawed”

Drama queens like how? The team is struggling and can’t turn it around. A full quarter of the season in. Just cause U wanna assume it’s nothing more than a slow start, doesn’t mean it’s not every bit as reasonable to assume its far more than just a slow start due to bad luck.

Saying we didn’t win with said group is a totally false equivalency. It’s simply disingenuous to imply flaws on Hall/eberle because of our results, if you don’t also mention that a healthy full season of mcdavid, Cam Talbot, a developed leon and a developed Klefbom weren’t part of the equation

It’s no different than saying “chiarelli had the balls to make the moves that mact wouldnt” and then ignoring the fact chiarelli had Connor McDavid and those pieces I mentioned, while mact didn’t

Your entire argument is based around false equivalents while purposefully ignoring reality
- HB77

How about drama queens now saying that moving Yak was a bad move? Can't blame Yak on Chiarelli on bit. That's all on MacT!!! He hired the coach, that ruined a 1st overall picks confidence so badly that he couldn't even play 4th line minutes here.
When Sekera comes back and we make the playoffs still, I hope all of you drama queens remember your comments. So many band wagon jumper fans it makes me sick

So is it Chiarelli's fault that Klefbom has played like crap, the team has low shooting percentages, and that Talbot has let in some questionable goals? Those are 3 major factors to our losing thus far
- Ihatebrianburke

Actually, yes it kinda is. Not the Klefbom point but the other two are linked to Chiarelli and could offer some criticism.

To the first point, shooting % is often linked to the amount of skill on the roster and the amount and type of chances that skill produces. By trading away talented like Hall, Eberle and Schultz and losing team speed by replacing Hall, Pouliot and Pitlick with Lucic, Cammalleri and Pakarinen, the team is unable to generate high danger chances in a variety of ways throughout their line-up at the rate they need to.

Without speed and skill in the bottom-6, plays and shots are more often being generated from the point- hence why our team leads the league in % of shots by Dmen. Shots from the point have a historically lower chance of finding the back of the net (~2.5% less than forwards iirc). As a result, the team may be generating shots at an impressive rate (3rd in the league in score and venue adjusted shot share), the expected conversion rate on many of these shots will be lower than league average. Think of it as what the LA Kings have done to themselves the past three years. It's well illustrated in this Twitter thread:

https://twitter.com/Wheat...status/932110263775461376

There's nothing inherently wrong with generating shots and chances from the blueline as long as your forwards are balancing it out with attempts from in close (as McDavid and Nuge are). There IS something wrong when your forwards rely on the point for chances more than themselves (Letestu and, to a lesser degree, Strome). Fortunately, Strome's lines have improved in that capacity over the last few games.

Now, how does this relate to Chiarelli and not the coaching staff? Well, just last year the team wasn't so reliant upon shots from the point and generated a good deal of slot chances on the back of team speed and a greater degree of skill. Flawed skill, but skill nonetheless. Coaches adapt to the team that's given to them and if the team doesn't have the horses to pull off the same tactic as last year, an adjustment needs to be made to formulate a strategy to try to work with the roster he has.

This isn't to say I exempt McLellan from all blame; he has his part in this, too. However, I can't honestly look at the roster, at how they've played and the results they've managed and say Chiarelli isn't more at fault.

As for Talbot, yes it's unfortunate and unlucky but goaltending is a notoriously fluid position. Every year their are guys who come out of nowhere and play great and guys who fall hard after a strong year. He chose not to acquire an experienced backup (a choice I didn't disagree with) in favour of trusting Talbot to continue his success and in the development of Brossoit- he has to live with the consequences of his decision.

Further to the point, Chiarelli coming out and openly exempting himself from blame suggesting that the team isn't slow and just needs to play faster really ticked me off. Then saying that there's no help on the way REALLY stirred the pot.

I bet Todd doesn't change up any systems next game... I bet the powerplay is the same old predictable, non-effective powerplay... It's only been 20 games now without a change. What the (frank) is he even getting paid for?

No, it’s his fault that he assumed development both individually and organizationally is always linear in a positive fashion. With that said, he didn’t bother providing insulation and felt comfortable actively regressing on paper because of those assumptions.

Just a massive blunder.
- HB77

Yes, a massive blunder. Cagguila injured- blame Chiarelli. Slepyshev injured- blame Chiarelli. Draisaitl injured- blame Chiarelli. Sekera injured- blame Chiarelli. Jokinen falling off as a point producer completely- blame Chiarelli. Strome learning a new teams systems and struggling- blame Chiarelli.

Sound about right?

How about drama queens now saying that moving Yak was a bad move? Can't blame Yak on Chiarelli on bit. That's all on MacT!!! He hired the coach, that ruined a 1st overall picks confidence so badly that he couldn't even play 4th line minutes here.
When Sekera comes back and we make the playoffs still, I hope all of you drama queens remember your comments. So many band wagon jumper fans it makes me sick
- Ihatebrianburke

I’ve never mentioned yakupov once. I was fully on board that he was totally ineffective. I used to argue with hendo when he’d laughably make comparisons between him and eberle actually.

As far as “bandwagon fans”. I certainly haven’t jumped off the oilers wagon. After the last ten years, why would I now?
Besides, u conflate blind homerism and being a true fan. I don’t it see it that way at all.

How about drama queens now saying that moving Yak was a bad move? Can't blame Yak on Chiarelli on bit. That's all on MacT!!! He hired the coach, that ruined a 1st overall picks confidence so badly that he couldn't even play 4th line minutes here.
When Sekera comes back and we make the playoffs still, I hope all of you drama queens remember your comments. So many band wagon jumper fans it makes me sick
- Ihatebrianburke

If we/they were bandwagon jumpers, we wouldn't still be here talking about the team. We criticize because this is our team and we care and worry about the direction it's going. If the team makes the playoffs, it would take a major turnaround in two of three capacities:

1.) Talbot rediscovers his game
2.) Klefbom rediscovers his game when Sekera returns
3.) Young players start scoring

If two of those things happen, the playoffs are still completely within reach. However, this doesn't exempt Chiarelli from critique that he earned by risking the entire season by not addressing a number of obvious holes (team speed, bottom-6 skill, lack of experienced skill, limited goaltending options). If it all turns around then his job won't be at risk but he still took avoidable risks on the assumption that doing nothing would work better.

I bet Todd doesn't change up any systems next game... I bet the powerplay is the same old predictable, non-effective powerplay... It's only been 20 games now without a change. What the (frank) is he even getting paid for?
- laughs2907

Funny how all of the Chia and Todd haters were praising this signing when it happened. He never took a very talented San Jose team all the way. I don't know where everyone thought he was the greatest coach from? I personally wanted to promote from within and give Todd Nelson the chance that he deserves in the big leagues.

I bet Todd doesn't change up any systems next game... I bet the powerplay is the same old predictable, non-effective powerplay... It's only been 20 games now without a change. What the (frank) is he even getting paid for?
- laughs2907

Hate to burst your bubble, but the PP hasn't exactly been the problem of late (currently 21.4% after starting sub-15%). The PK has made adjustments and has been far better of late (currently 74.3% after starting sub-60%). 5-on-5 scoring and defending are the problems now/still.

Funny how all of the Chia and Todd haters were praising this signing when it happened. He never took a very talented San Jose team all the way. I don't know where everyone thought he was the greatest coach from? I personally wanted to promote from within and give Todd Nelson the chance that he deserves in the big leagues.
- Ihatebrianburke

I think Todd Nelson is phenomenal. Ralph Krueger was great too... That firing and hiring of Eakins was beyond dumb. The talk going around at the time that the Oilers got the better coach out of Todd McLellan and Babcock is laughable.

Yes, a massive blunder. Cagguila injured- blame Chiarelli. Slepyshev injured- blame Chiarelli. Draisaitl injured- blame Chiarelli. Sekera injured- blame Chiarelli. Jokinen falling off as a point producer completely- blame Chiarelli. Strome learning a new teams systems and struggling- blame Chiarelli.

Sound about right?
- Ihatebrianburke

Caggiula was marginally effective before, nothing’s changed healthy or not .

Slepyshev was marginally effective before. Nothing’s changed heathy or not (i was a huge proponent of his)

We’re .500 at best with a healthy draisaitl.

Sekeras injury is not pc’s fault. As I said, It’s his miscalculation that everyone else would develop and step up. And his panic long term signing of russel..

Jokinen has already fallen off. He was bought out actually.

Strome isn’t “struggling”. He’s doing the same thing he’s done for the past 2 seasons.

This is my point. Assuming the caggs, sleps, Stromes, russels, bennings etc were all going to develop in a linear fashion and thus getting rid of high end talent, was a mistake. I don’t see how that’s anyone’s else’s fault but the guy who made the decision to go in this direction

I’ve never mentioned yakupov once. I was fully on board that he was totally ineffective. I used to argue with hendo when he’d laughably make comparisons between him and eberle actually.

As far as “bandwagon fans”. I certainly haven’t jumped off the oilers wagon. After the last ten years, why would I now?
Besides, u conflate blind homerism and being a true fan. I don’t it see it that way at all.
- HB77

I'm no blind homer. I see problems and bad moves. Nobody is impervious to them. Griffin Reinhart trade was absolutely brutal. But, most of his other moves I support. I still think we make the playoffs no problem. 5 points out can be made up in the last 2 weeks of the season. We have 62 games left.

Hate to burst your bubble, but the PP hasn't exactly been the problem of late (currently 21.4% after starting sub-15%). The PK has made adjustments and has been far better of late (currently 74.3% after starting sub-60%). 5-on-5 scoring and defending are the problems now/still.
- MaximumBone

That's surprising... Well fine. Work on the PK, and on some systems to get that 5 on 5 scoring up. The Oilers attack is still incredibly predictable... I still think McLellan is useless.

I still think our powerplay is way too predictable though. I think the only reason for the turnaround is because of Mr. Generational... I still think the powerplay style he wants to players to play is not a good one.

If we/they were bandwagon jumpers, we wouldn't still be here talking about the team. We criticize because this is our team and we care and worry about the direction it's going. If the team makes the playoffs, it would take a major turnaround in two of three capacities:

1.) Talbot rediscovers his game
2.) Klefbom rediscovers his game when Sekera returns
3.) Young players start scoring

If two of those things happen, the playoffs are still completely within reach. However, this doesn't exempt Chiarelli from critique that he earned by risking the entire season by not addressing a number of obvious holes (team speed, bottom-6 skill, lack of experienced skill, limited goaltending options). If it all turns around then his job won't be at risk but he still took avoidable risks on the assumption that doing nothing would work better.
- MaximumBone

I don't think we will miss the playoffs, but even if we do, I wouldn't support a Chiarelli firing. I think a GM needs to be given 5 years, unless they do something completely ridiculous.

And another thing. Talbot's brother in law said that Talbot was actually trying to date his younger sister and not the one he currently has twins with. If someone could use that against Cam in such a way to get him away from the twins, it would translate into more wins for the Oilers.

*insert joke at my own expense about how no one reads long posts*
- MaximumBone

Read your long ass post on the previous page... 100% agree with the point you're trying to make.