I'm not mad. It is more confusion. I watch DP play and he's exactly the reason why Pitt gave up on him. He's nothing more then a 3rd pairing D. He couldn't take a spot away from anyone.

Hutton 2 years ago, Stecher last season. People get on a wave of love for a certain player. It's not there. Hutton and Stecher were never top 4 players. DP is not a top 4 either.

A third pairing D in the NHL does not play a lot. I went through all the games he played and if he played less then 16:15 they won every game. If he played over that, they lost. The last 2 games he has played the most he has the entire season. They allowed 9 goals and scored 1.

It's a team game.

He is a plus 2 in 14 games. To me that shows he is driving a shot count that after 41 shot performance and no goals tonight. Does not matter.
- manvanfan

I am not sure why pit gave up on him because he is better than Cole and arguably way better defensively than maata. Pens had to part with 1 and im hapoy they did. Tonight he played 1st pair minutes and played the best out of all the d. The plus minus stat really skews stats when the entire team is struggling to score goals. I use 5v5 scoring chances for and against as it shows the d men driving offense which to me is a better measuring tool than plus minus or goals from the back end. He played less than a minute less than hutton who led the d in ice time tonight. He to me, has been our best d in the last 10 games. Analytically over course its proven, win loss wise well everyone has been bad if thats our measuring tool. Either way, im just reposting the positives i am seeing on charts. He truly is playing remarkable in terms or fancy stats. Just trying to inject some positivity while the team is this bad lol

Did Gudbranson get benched in the 3rd?
- TJTD

Him and biega played 7 minutes less than the next D lowest ice time d man.

I am not sure why pit gave up on him because he is better than Cole and arguably way better defensively than maata. Pens had to part with 1 and im hapoy they did. Tonight he played 1st pair minutes and played the best out of all the d. The plus minus stat really skews stats when the entire team is struggling to score goals. I use 5v5 scoring chances for and against as it shows the d men driving offense which to me is a better measuring tool than plus minus or goals from the back end. He played less than a minute less than hutton who led the d in ice time tonight. He to me, has been our best d in the last 10 games. Analytically over course its proven, win loss wise well everyone has been bad if thats our measuring tool. Either way, im just reposting the positives i am seeing on charts. He truly is playing remarkable in terms or fancy stats. Just trying to inject some positivity while the team is this bad lol
- Codes1087

From a team that just won back to back stanley cups, you have to wonder why he didn't play.
So the fact that I went through all the game this year to see that if he plays less the team plays better means nothing?

This is what bothers me, your fancy stats have shown you how good he is and i've shown a "non fancy stat" that the team is better off when he plays less.

didn't feel like 40 shots. it's fun to watch them win. but another big lotto ticket this year is probably the best.

From a team that just won back to back stanley cups, you have to wonder why he didn't play.
So the fact that I went through all the game this year to see that if he plays less the team plays better means nothing?
- manvanfan

The less DP plays the better the team has done? Is this in terms of wins and losses?

From a team that just won back to back stanley cups, you have to wonder why he didn't play.
So the fact that I went through all the game this year to see that if he plays less the team plays better means nothing?

This is what bothers me, your fancy stats have shown you how good he is and i've shown a "non fancy stat" that the team is better off when he plays less.
- manvanfan

Pouliot has looked pretty good dude.

The less DP plays the better the team has done? Is this in terms of wins and losses?
- Codes1087

Yes.

Why the Fuk would he give him a PEn Shot with 12 secs left in a 4-0 game lol
- vancity787

one of the worst calls I have ever seen, more fun for the home I guess. Did you notice marky didn't try on it in protest.

Pouliot has looked pretty good dude.
- LordHumungous

http://hockeystats.ca/game/2017020260

I use this site daily.

Pouliout lead the team in both 5v5 and all situations at 71% and 69%. Gudbranson ranked last in both 46% and 50%. When a team doesnt score goals, its instinctual to look at plus minus to see who is best and worst. DP has been a beast. Although they arent scoring, DP is driving both possession and offense, thus making his team mates on the ice with him better

Tanev, while being missed tremendously, doesnt answer the need for the team to score goals. Virtanen needs to play, and at this point, sit gagner and try goldobin?
- Codes1087

I agree JV should be back in but the team will flounder until they find answers to how to swim and not drown without Tanev.

My point on Tanev when I brought him up during game against Ducks is not only his play during his shifts. But the effect he has on the entire team. Plus how additional lines build off his play with confidence and momentum to put pressure on in the offensive zone.

Stats are great and point out a lot of insight into production and trends. It may give analysis to the chemistry of lines as well. Though my coaching and player side would have you consider factoring in the organic nature of team performance. The it factor behind the psychology and play. Certain players have an all encompassing effect and make things tick not just for them but the whole team. Without that its a search to find something else to crank the gears.

Yes.
- manvanfan

Leafs are 3-0 without Matthews

canucks got smoked 5 to 0, the ice was tilted so bad couldn't get out of there own zone the whole game, such dissapointment

Leafs are 3-0 without Matthews
- Codes1087

I don't know what that has to do with your stats.

Look at the stats. Edler is third on your CF% there. You going to tell me Edler was the second best D man out there tonight and how great he was too.

Marner has more shots for then against then Matthews.

I'm not mad. It is more confusion. I watch DP play and he's exactly the reason why Pitt gave up on him. He's nothing more then a 3rd pairing D. He couldn't take a spot away from anyone.

Hutton 2 years ago, Stecher last season. People get on a wave of love for a certain player. It's not there. Hutton and Stecher were never top 4 players. DP is not a top 4 either.

A third pairing D in the NHL does not play a lot. I went through all the games he played and if he played less then 16:15 they won every game. If he played over that, they lost. The last 2 games he has played the most he has the entire season. They allowed 9 goals and scored 1.

It's a team game.

He is a plus 2 in 14 games. To me that shows he is driving a shot count that after 41 shot performance and no goals tonight. Does not matter.
- manvanfan

You're right about what you saw. Codes is pointing out how Pouliot is trending on stats now. He may develop into a 4/5 player. Which is great on trade pick up.

The issue really is there are only 2 top 4 D on Canucks. The rest are 3rd pairings who maybe could develop into 4/5 players. They get further dragged down with AHL player Biega. So the more they all play the harder it is to be effective.

I agree JV should be back in but the team will flounder until they find answers to how to swim and not drown without Tanev.

My point on Tanev when I brought him up during game against Ducks is not only his play during his shifts. But the effect he has on the entire team. Plus how additional lines build off his play with confidence and momentum to put pressure on in the offensive zone.

Stats are great and point out a lot of insight into production and trends. It may give analysis to the chemistry of lines as well. Though my coaching and player side would have you consider factoring in the organic nature of team performance. The it factor behind the psychology and play. Certain players have an all encompassing effect and make things tick not just for them but the whole team. Without that its a search to find something else to crank the gears.
- Nuck4U

So now you are a coaching professional and collegiate hockey phenom and you labelled Lefty as a junior failure, am I getting this right?

So now you are a coaching professional and collegiate hockey phenom and you labelled Lefty as a junior failure, am I getting this right?
- Makita

Not with that hyperbole but then again its expected have fun.

You're right about what you saw. Codes is pointing out how Pouliot is trending on stats now. He may develop into a 4/5 player. Which is great on trade pick up.

The issue really is there are only 2 top 4 D on Canucks. The rest are 3rd pairings who maybe could develop into 4/5 players. They get further dragged down with AHL player Biega. So the more they all play the harder it is to be effective.
- Nuck4U

Darnell Nurse is a (frank)ing beast in the Fancy Stat world. Enough said.

I don't know what that has to do with your stats.

Look at the stats. Edler is third on your CF% there. You going to tell me Edler was the second best D man out there tonight and how great he was too.

Marner has more shots for then against then Matthews.
- manvanfan

Im just saying the leafs were playing awful hockey with matthews playing, suddenly he is injured and they start winning. A player playing less, more, or not at all doesnt always reflect team outcome. DP is proving he not only was an excellent acquisition by Benning, but has been one of the best D over the course of the last 10 games he has played.

https://twitter.com/dkeep...status/929588307121528832

And Jeff Patterson disagrees with you regarding Edler and DP, this is a eye test take

https://twitter.com/pater...status/929593162066042880

Darnell Nurse is a (frank)ing beast in the Fancy Stat world. Enough said.
- manvanfan

http://hockeystats.ca/game/2017020249

You're actually wrong. His numbers can be very guddy like

Not with that hyperbole but then again its expected have fun.
- Nuck4U

Though my coaching and player side, and your a junior dropout and I went the college route...yada yada, sounds like your trying insinuate you are smarter than, and have some level of hockey knowledge superiority.

Canucks had enough chances to win this game before the goal pile on at the end. No finish.

http://hockeystats.ca/game/2017020249

You're actually wrong. His numbers can be very guddy like
- Codes1087

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...d,gte,1&sort=shotAttempts

Though my coaching and player side, and your a junior dropout and I went the college route...yada yada, sounds like your trying insinuate you are smarter than, and have some level of hockey knowledge superiority.
- Makita

Just don't take him seriously and you wont come to that conclusion, these always work.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?report=skatersummaryshooting&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20172018&seasonTo=20172018&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=shotAttempts
- manvanfan

Those overall stats are quite impressive. What is your gripe against him?

Im just backdating the last few games for nurse and he has been awful

http://hockeystats.ca/game/2017020235
2 nights ago

http://hockeystats.ca/game/2017020225
4 nights ago

While comparing DP to DN is impossible given different team mates, we can compare his fancy stats relative to similar TOI. DP is better lol.

Just don't take him seriously and you wont come to that conclusion, these always work.
- A_SteamingLombardi

so true, I was just stunned all of a sudden he’s calling Lefty a junior failure and he’s some college super degree successful hockey guru.

But you’re correct, a couple of these are more appropriate.