This type of analysis is dumb and dangerous.
you end up trading good Young players away.

Its safe to say MZ has been the better player and point producer out of that trade
- senstroll

this might be true if you don't care about winning. you fotget Rangers and Sens met in playoffs last year. Ranger media complained about no show Zibanejad. Brassard on the other hand scored when it mattered as Sens won in six games.

this might be true if you don't care about winning. you fotget Rangers and Sens met in playoffs last year. Ranger media complained about no show Zibanejad. Brassard on the other hand scored when it mattered as Sens won in six games.
- spatso

The media you tend to pay attention to are the old farts who are 100 years behind the times and report on dumb poop that you eat up

Brassard had 1 point against the Rangers
And 3 total in 2 series against NYR and Pens

If I use your way of thinking about this... Brassard shrunk when it mattered and came up small in the later series

but thats dumb

oh and MZ had 5 points against the Sens

The media you tend to pay attention to are the old farts who are 100 years behind the times and report on dumb poop that you eat up

Brassard had 1 point against the Rangers
And 3 total in 2 series against NYR and Pens

If I use your way of thinking about this... Brassard shrunk when it mattered and came up small in the later series

but thats dumb

oh and MZ had 5 points against the Sens
- senstroll

he's such a dumb sheep.

wining?

You seem rattled this morning D'oops. Is it because the Leafs and the Habs both beat Vegas, and the Sens didn't?

Perhaps the fan of a team with 5 loser points already and winners of the 28th overall pick shouldn't be talking about "close" so much.
- Aetherial

Look, I hate the stupid loser point, and have said so many times so far this season.

I don't think you had a problem with the loser point last season, when the leafs rode a wave of 15 loser points into the bottom WC spot in the EC ...............................Did I mention they lead the NHL, last season in loser points?

BTW the leafs did not beat the VGK, they won the shootout.


But your constant attack of everything Senators just proves how much you're afraid of them, and how they may either keep the leafs from the playoffs, or knock them out of the playoffs.


Ottawa, today, still has the better record than the leafs, so I guess it's normal that it gets under your skin.

I wonder what it would take, in a trade (player, prospects, picks & Cap space) for the leafs to acquire Carey Price from the Habs?

Look, I hate the stupid loser point, and have said so many times so far this season.

I don't think you had a problem with the loser point last season, when the leafs rode a wave of 15 loser points into the bottom WC spot in the EC ...............................Did I mention they lead the NHL, last season in loser points?

BTW the leafs did not beat the VGK, they won the shootout.


But your constant attack of everything Senators just proves how much you're afraid of them, and how they may either keep the leafs from the playoffs, or knock them out of the playoffs.


Ottawa, today, still has the better record than the leafs, so I guess it's normal that it gets under your skin.


- D0PPELGANGER

its not actually a Loser point.
you get the point for a Tie in regulation

3 on 3 or SO are just gimmicky ways of awarding a 3rd point.

Senators are only $500k under cap. They have another $4.6m. from MacArther being on LTIR. It works out to almost the exact number to fit Evander Kane into their roster.

i am a huge fan of Kane. He has done okay lately in terms of his extra carricular beheviours. Hope he is on Sens short list of the player they plan on adding.
- spatso

It is an interesting thought.

You won't get him for cheap though. It will cost you futures, and probably significant. With the start he has had, there will be some interest in him. So the price will be high.

I also would worry about that attitude. The Sens have a very good "team" mentality about them. Everybody buys into the system the coaches are teaching. It is the primary reason for their success. It is also why I am a little leery of the Duchene trade. I believe Duchene is an upgrade, but will be buy in, and fit in, the way Turris did?

Kane has a history that isn't positive. I am not sure it would be a good addition for you guys

The media you tend to pay attention to are the old farts who are 100 years behind the times and report on dumb poop that you eat up

Brassard had 1 point against the Rangers
And 3 total in 2 series against NYR and Pens

If I use your way of thinking about this... Brassard shrunk when it mattered and came up small in the later series

but thats dumb

oh and MZ had 5 points against the Sens
- senstroll

Wow. That shot his argument all to hell.

It is an interesting thought.

You won't get him for cheap though. It will cost you futures, and probably significant. With the start he has had, there will be some interest in him. So the price will be high.

I also would worry about that attitude. The Sens have a very good "team" mentality about them. Everybody buys into the system the coaches are teaching. It is the primary reason for their success. It is also why I am a little leery of the Duchene trade. I believe Duchene is an upgrade, but will be buy in, and fit in, the way Turris did?

Kane has a history that isn't positive. I am not sure it would be a good addition for you guys
- Aetherial

probably a better target is James Neal. Would be cheaper and only has 1 year
Vegas should be out of it soon I would think

probably a better target is James Neal. Would be cheaper and only has 1 year
Vegas should be out of it soon I would think
- senstroll

knights may stay in it for a while. i'm curious how vegas does against the jets.

based on the jets latest blog, sounds like the jets are going to go straight from the strip club to the game.

Wow. That shot his argument all to hell.
- Aetherial

his arguments are not based in reality (facts or actual stats), it just narrative driven muck made up of feelings and story telling about sports that makes himself feel better about his team

Look, I hate the stupid loser point, and have said so many times so far this season.

I don't think you had a problem with the loser point last season, when the leafs rode a wave of 15 loser points into the bottom WC spot in the EC ...............................Did I mention they lead the NHL, last season in loser points?

BTW the leafs did not beat the VGK, they won the shootout.


But your constant attack of everything Senators just proves how much you're afraid of them, and how they may either keep the leafs from the playoffs, or knock them out of the playoffs.


Ottawa, today, still has the better record than the leafs, so I guess it's normal that it gets under your skin.


- D0PPELGANGER

The loser point argument is only being brought up because you guys spent MONTHS talking about it because the Leafs had so many last year.

I guess you just don't like it when what goes around, comes around?

In terms of the Sens getting under my skin? Uh, no. I actually don't have a problem with the Sens because I like the way they play as a team and I have said many times away from this discussion that they are very underrated.

Don't confuse me sinking to the level of the Sens fans in this thread with being unable to view something with at least some impartiality.

Also don't forget that the Leafs are thrashing the Sens for record against common opponents, AND they have played more difficult opponents otherwise. Don't forget that one team is in year 2 of a rebuild and the other fancies themselves cup contenders NOW.

The fact that the Leafs are even close after a tougher schedule, and playing their worst hockey since the beginning of last season, should have you very concerned.

his arguments are not based in reality (facts or actual stats), it just narrative driven muck made up of feelings and story telling about sports that makes himself feel better about his team
- senstroll

Careful D'oops will point out the sentence flaws or spelling mistakes in what you type, while at the same time making plenty of his own.

probably a better target is James Neal. Would be cheaper and only has 1 year
Vegas should be out of it soon I would think
- senstroll

Wow.

That is an excellent idea if I am a Sens fan. They would have to give up futures, Vegas has no need for marginal or older players, but if they are really all in, I think he is a much better target.

its not actually a Loser point.
you get the point for a Tie in regulation

3 on 3 or SO are just gimmicky ways of awarding a 3rd point.
- senstroll

When the Leafs get it, it is a loser point.
When the Sens get it, scoreboard matters.

When the Leafs get it, it is a loser point.
When the Sens get it, scoreboard matters.
- Aetherial

Also it has now been said that when the Leafs win in a shootout it isn't a win. All they get is 2 worthless almost lost points.

Careful D'oops will point out the sentence flaws or spelling mistakes in what you type, while at the same time making plenty of his own.
- Aetherial

like when he said leaf fans love to laud the sens. unfortunately laud didnt mean what he thought it did.

When the Leafs get it, it is a loser point.
When the Sens get it, scoreboard matters.
- Aetherial

yes this is more accurate

Wow.

That is an excellent idea if I am a Sens fan. They would have to give up futures, Vegas has no need for marginal or older players, but if they are really all in, I think he is a much better target.
- Aetherial

It would be nice if Ottawa could trade more picks. So far no 1st or 2nd in 2018

like when he said leaf fans love to laud the sens. unfortunately laud didnt mean what he thought it did.
- systemtool

It would be nice if Ottawa could trade more picks. So far no 1st or 2nd in 2018
- senstroll

They better win this year or next, or they will be the next Habs/Nucks

its not actually a Loser point.
you get the point for a Tie in regulation

3 on 3 or SO are just gimmicky ways of awarding a 3rd point.
- senstroll

Yeah, I see it as a tie point as well ............... but the term "loser point" is in wide use, even among the sports pundits on TSN and Sportsnet...... and everyone knows what it means.

If I had my way, they'd end the game after three periods (in the regular season) win or tie, and rank the teams by Winning Percentage, not points, get rid on them.

When the Leafs get it, it is a loser point.
When the Sens get it, scoreboard matters.
- Aetherial

That may be true with someone else .............. but I've been on the record about my dislike for the stupid loser point/shootout since the beginning of this season.......... scroll back and see for yourself.

It would be nice if Ottawa could trade more picks. So far no 1st or 2nd in 2018
- senstroll

At some point in time, a team, in their re-build to contender transition, they have to switch from stockpiling prospects and picks, and trade some of those assets, in whatever way will improve their team from contending for the playoffs, to a definitive Cup contender.

The leafs will make that transition sooner or later, as they currently don't have all the parts to the puzzle, required for seriously competing for the Cup.

They'll have to trade from whatever their strength is, be it roster forwards, draft picks or prospects.

From an outsider observer, I would suggest a true number one D man, and an improved goal-tending tandem.

You leafs fans know your team better than I do, so you know who might be packaged up with some picks and prospects, to bring in that Stud D Man, or a true Starting goaltender .............. or whatever is needed.

And then, all the mocking of the Senators trades of picks and prospects will be directed at you guys ............ and you know this will happen eventually ........ the leafs are not going to only draft their way to a Cup, at some point they'll realize that there are just some parts to Cup contender, that need to be acquired in other ways, than just drafting.


I don't think the Penguins drafted Kessel, did they?

At some point in time, a team, in their re-build to contender transition, they have to switch from stockpiling prospects and picks, and trade some of those assets, in whatever way will improve their team from contending for the playoffs, to a definitive Cup contender.

The leafs will make that transition sooner or later, as they currently don't have all the parts to the puzzle, required for seriously competing for the Cup.

They'll have to trade from whatever their strength is, be it roster forwards, draft picks or prospects.

From an outsider observer, I would suggest a true number one D man, and an improved goal-tending tandem.

You leafs fans know your team better than I do, so you know who might be packaged up with some picks and prospects, to bring in that Stud D Man, or a true Starting goaltender .............. or whatever is needed.

And then, all the mocking of the Senators trades of picks and prospects will be directed at you guys ............ and you know this will happen eventually ........ the leafs are not going to only draft their way to a Cup, at some point they'll realize that there are just some parts to Cup contender, that need to be acquired in other ways, than just drafting.


I don't think the Penguins drafted Kessel, did they?
- D0PPELGANGER

I have some sympathy for Leaf fans on this issue. They had a long history of GMs making desperation trades to try and sustain the image of relevance. It all blew up in their face on the Kessel trade. Many Leaf fans were deeply wounded by the experience. Their comments about the Sens giving up picks and prospects has something to do with their wanting Sens fans to know some of the anguish and ridicule they absorbed in the past. I remember the time period very well. It is for that reason that I tend to let up on some of the Leaf fans when they get so obviously angry. All anger is rooted in hurt. It is not enough for them to know the joy of winning they want other fans to know the anguish of defeat as they have experienced it.