22 the day before ......... when any of the 31 teams play, the numbers (overall) change ......... why is that so hard for you to understand?
- D0PPELGANGER

Uhhhh...based on your track record of being consistently wrong?

The "prospect" was the 28th overall selection this past Spring.
There are very few 28th overall picks that you can point to as top line players.

The 3rd pick was probably the price asked to take Hammond off the Sens hands, and get his 1.5 Million off the Belleville books.......... also opens up the back up spot for Hogberg

And depending on how deep the Sens go in the playoffs (if they make them) will determine how high the 1st rounder is next spring.




Turris was not going to sign a 6 year 6 Million contract in Ottawa ....... so what would you have done if you were faced with a player (Turris) that was not going to re-sign under the conditions the team wanted him at?

Trade him for less at the trade deadline?
Let him walk for nothing on July 1st?
- D0PPELGANGER

I know the perception is that MD is the superior player to KT. And I agree
i am just not sure the gap is as big as most think.

Again its a steep price to upgrade. I get why Ottawa sees it as a good thing to do.
Also the package to get Ryan didnt seem that bad..but looking at it how, you'd take it back quickly

You are right. It is a great solution for the Sens long term.

Keep it simple lots of fans including Leafs and Canadiens supporters are just a little jealous this morning.
- spatso

the smartest thing might be protecting the 1st

Did Ottawa improve their 2017-18 roster. .............. yes.

Will Ottawa have a better roster in 2018-19, if they re-sign RFAs Stone & Ceci and add one or more of their Prospects from Belleville ........... yes again.
- D0PPELGANGER

Stone is playing great hockey. Brassard has been really strong since game one.

Boucher is really happy with Pageau and Thompson. The addition of Duchene adds more offensive skill. Not sure that Duchene is as strong as Turris in his own end.

When the Sens were defending against Detroit in the final minute of the game Karlsson had had an empty net but he flipped the puck to Thompson for the score.

Boucher really likes his guys. He wanted Duchene and you can be sure that he know exactly how he is going to fit him into the line up. Remember Ottawa has chased after this player for two years. Let's see if they knew what they wanted.

In retrospect, not sure that a roster including Turris, Brassard and Duchene involves too many guys with the same skill set.

Would like to see a power forward added for playoffs. I have always been and remain a huge Evander Kane fan.

Uhhhh...based on your track record of being consistently wrong?

- Tumbleweed

Well that's your opinion........... but why not see for yourself.
leaf with 21st best record (today) in the league......... Ottawa 1oth best record.


http://www.nhl.com/stats/...o=20172018&sort=pointPctg

Duchene: Asking for a trade out of Colorado was the hardest thing I've ever had to do. We had a horrific year last year. I could see the rebuild coming. I just couldn't do it. I wanted to play playoff hockey.

Save this..because these things never come back to bite you in the ass

Well that's your opinion........... but why not see for yourself.
leaf with 21st best record (today) in the league......... Ottawa 1oth best record.


http://www.nhl.com/stats/...o=20172018&sort=pointPctg
- D0PPELGANGER

fact: you are bad with numbers so i don't trust anything you post related to numbers.

I know the perception is that MD is the superior player to KT. And I agree
i am just not sure the gap is as big as most think.

Again its a steep price to upgrade. I get why Ottawa sees it as a good thing to do.
Also the package to get Ryan didnt seem that bad..but looking at it how, you'd take it back quickly
- senstroll

Well, with Hammond's contract also off the books ...... MD is costing the Sens 1 Million more on the Cap ....... and with Turris resigning, and also making 6 million next season, and Hammond still not on the Books ....... it's even steven cap hit wise.


Pretty sure the leaf troll consensus for the past 7 years, was that Turris was NOT a true #1 center in the NHL..........so now MB is definitely a true #1 center, and that makes the team better overall.

fact: you are bad with numbers so i don't trust anything you post related to numbers.
- Tumbleweed

then trust your own eyes, on NHL.com

then trust your own eyes, on NHL.com
- D0PPELGANGER

teams are packed in tight. 1 win moves you up several places. leafs came back down to earth after a hot start.

about time for them to get back on the winning track tonight.

teams are packed in tight. 1 win moves you up several places. leafs came back down to earth after a hot start.

about time for them to get back on the winning track tonight.
- Tumbleweed

This will not be an easy game for the leafs .......... the so called "trap game" when a team is waiting in town, for the home town team to return from a road trip ......... even worse if its a road trip out west (for eastern teams).

The VGKs play a neutral zone clogging trap type game, and have four strong high tempo lines ....... and the leafs will have their hands full.

This will not be an easy game for the leafs .......... the so called "trap game" when a team is waiting in town, for the home town team to return from a road trip ......... even worse if its a road trip out west (for eastern teams).

The VGKs play a neutral zone clogging trap type game, and have four strong high tempo lines ....... and the leafs will have their hands full.
- D0PPELGANGER

leafs have a horrible mess trying to pretend they are playing defense. It is going to get a lot tougher the deeper we go into the season.

Now that the Leafs areback playing Leaf hockey I find it kind of sad. It is good for hockey and team rivalies to have all teams playing well. Hope Leafs pull out of the tail spin and get some help on D.

leafs have a horrible mess trying to pretend they are playing defense. It is going to get a lot tougher the deeper we go into the season.
- spatso

they have a .888 team sv%
I doubt that continues.

Also worry about the Sens and their "System" that is like 20th in the NHL in goals against avg. For a team that is supposed to be defensive...thats poop

they have a .888 team sv%
I doubt that continues.

Also worry about the Sens and their "System" that is like 20th in the NHL in goals against avg. For a team that is supposed to be defensive...thats poop
- senstroll

sens just gave up 5 goals to vegas and lost 3 of 4 games.

than just made another burke trade as a knee jerk reaction.

sheep like spatso seem to be buying into the narrative of duchene. so all is good for melnyk.

- D0PPELGANGER

Rather than post emoticons like a mindless idiot, how about you try to follow the RECENT discussion about the trade.

I meant Turris alone would not get Duchene. You should have been able to follow along with the conversation. Clearly I expected too much from you.

If there really was a 3rd team involved and Ottawa is getting the most coveted player... they are giving up a lot to do it, not just Turris.
- Aetherial

So what happened?? ... well I was 100% (frank)ing right. You gave up a lot to get Duchene.

In particular you gave up more future for a minor upgrade now. In fact, I am not even sure Duchene fits better than Turris in your system, even though he is the better and more valuable player.

You are right. It is a great solution for the Sens long term.

Keep it simple lots of fans including Leafs and Canadiens supporters are just a little jealous this morning.
- spatso

Save that quote.

Duchene is going back to the U.S. as soon as he can.

Would I do a Duchene for Turris deal?

Not sure what you gain. Both are very good players. But Turris is one of the best at playing Boucher's game and he has been clutch when it really matters.

Players always have an adjustment period after a trade and I am not sure you want to change up the chemistry that already exists with the team.

Turris would make a huge difference in Nashville aspirations.

Pageau has become Boucher's favourite go to guy and he gets all the top defensive roles. He has played really well in an offensive role since Turris went down.

Clearly Ottawa is not going to give Turris the long term deal (up to 8 years) that he wants. I agree with the need to exercise caution as their are some bigger deals that need to get done over the next few years.

Peak production for a forward is age 26 and younger with significant drop off after age 28. I am fine with short term deals for forwards at high dollars just do not provide excessive term. Long term deals with primary Dmen are okay as they move well into their 30's at peak performance rates. Same for goalies.
- spatso

please, tell me moar

The "prospect" was the 28th overall selection this past Spring.
There are very few 28th overall picks that you can point to as top line players.

The 3rd pick was probably the price asked to take Hammond off the Sens hands, and get his 1.5 Million off the Belleville books.......... also opens up the back up spot for Hogberg

And depending on how deep the Sens go in the playoffs (if they make them) will determine how high the 1st rounder is next spring.




Turris was not going to sign a 6 year 6 Million contract in Ottawa ....... so what would you have done if you were faced with a player (Turris) that was not going to re-sign under the conditions the team wanted him at?

Trade him for less at the trade deadline?
Let him walk for nothing on July 1st?
- D0PPELGANGER

How can you possibly under-value your coveted reward for stumbling past half-injured teams in the last playoffs?

That was your prize. That is what you won. It is ALL you won.

Now that the Leafs areback playing Leaf hockey I find it kind of sad. It is good for hockey and team rivalies to have all teams playing well. Hope Leafs pull out of the tail spin and get some help on D.
- spatso

Your team with Stanley cup aspirations, is 1 pt. ahead and 1 gm in hand, with 5 loser points and a worse record against common opponents, and a weaker schedule otherwise.


Leafs are EXACTLY where they were projected to be. Sens are also exactly where they were projected to be, by everyone except Sens fans.

You should be concerned.

Yost says the Leafs will get better defensivley

http://www.tsn.ca/leafs-h...-defensive-third-1.906933

i will wait for Spatso to post his TSN article he writes on why they wont

Save this..because these things never come back to bite you in the ass
- senstroll

doshane was riding an unsustainable 17% shooting %. his shot rates are nowhere near what he generated earlier in his career, playing for equally bad teams.

turris' pdo was 979.

seems like doorion bought high and sold low.

this is not looking good for the sens.

doshane was riding an unsustainable 17% shooting %. his shot rates are nowhere near what he generated earlier in his career, playing for equally bad teams.

turris' pdo was 979.

seems like doorion bought high and sold low.

this is not looking good for the sens.
- Tumbleweed

I think it helps them this season. Will be fun to wactch if it doesnt.
the closest Sens fans I know were not thrilled with the cost. One was down right pissed

I think it helps them this season. Will be fun to wactch if it doesnt.
the closest Sens fans I know were not thrilled with the cost. One was down right pissed
- senstroll

senatards paid more value for a marginal upgrade than the preds paid to fill an out-right hole.

poile and sakic must have had some fun and nervous conversations laughing a doorion while hoping he wouldn't back out of the deal.

doshane was riding an unsustainable 17% shooting %. his shot rates are nowhere near what he generated earlier in his career, playing for equally bad teams.

turris' pdo was 979.

seems like doorion bought high and sold low.

this is not looking good for the sens.
- Tumbleweed

Let's see what the numbers look like when Turris no longer plays with Karlsson. Let's see what happens when Karlsson starts feeding Duchene.

You either trust your management and coaching or you don't. Boucher wants Duchene, he has wanted him badly since the beginning of last season. Is he a good fit into the Ottawa system and Karlsson...we will find out soon enough.

Ottawa never made Turris a priority. They never really pushed for a long term deal. I am a huge Turris fan but it appears that Ottawa coaching and management does not share my opinion.

Everybody just needs to be patient. We will know after 5 games how well it is working.

Ottawa is pretty strong down the middle with Duchene, Brassard, Pageau and Thompson. We know that Boucher especially like Pageau and Thompson.

Great time to be a hockey fan.