He struggled mightily. Some people said he had the flu but refused to take the night off. I think it was just a bad night and he is still not fully rehabbed and is playing without having any summer training or team camp.

Whatever, the night was bizarre. By last night he was brilliant again. Having played barely 1/2 the games he is only 1 point away from taking over the scoring lead among Dmen. Did I say brilliant!
- spatso

Again, the leaf trolls fail to take into consideration that Karlsson did zero training over the summer .............. did not participate in training camp, only skated lightly on his own for a couple of weeks, and took part in a handful of practices ........ and then just jumped in to the full speed NHL ............. let's wait until he's back in shape by the end of the month.


Just a quick glance at the standings ........... I see Ottawa is still ahead of the leafs, and have a game in hand.


Oh, and if anyone cares, they also have a higher (positive) goal differential ............. some people think this is the most important stat, for some reason .............. perhaps they should take a peek at the Penguins ........... who have more points than both Ontario teams .......... and are sporting a negative goal differential.

So just speculation on the future of the Sens ................ you've got nothing to say about about the poor defensive effort put forward by your leafs???


Are you that afraid to talk about the leafs, and just spew un-provable made up speculative crap about the Sens?
- D0PPELGANGER

wow! way rattled.

I have been outspoken about the Leafs poor defense and miserable goaltending and what I said about the Sens is true.

By the way, where is the evidence I have ever said anything about planning the parade for the Leafs, or anything like that?

Isn't it time you just manned up and admitted you make poop up because you don't have a point? It is beyond sad for you now.

Back in the days when I was a Leaf fan I became increasingly frustrated by the Leafs trading away draft picks and refusing to acknowledge the need to rebuild through the draft. So, you need to understand that the point you make is a valid point. But, you also need to know it has been made out of your experiences and disappointments.

You can go back to some of the threads on this site and you will see my saying that Leaf fans were more than happy to be patient to build through the draft and around young players. Once the Leafs made the decision to rebuild the turn around was fairly efficient and the product was highly entertaining once it was understood what the game was.

As recently as yesterday Pierre Dorion was telling the Ottawa media that Colin White and Thomas Chabot were very special players and would soon be moving into the regular line up.

I believe the Sens will make one more substantial deal for a top 6 skater. I believe they will finish the season strongly and go deep into the playoffs. I believe they are the only team in the East that can beat Tampa.

Next year we can talk again about rebuild. It is not anything that bothers me and I think you are projecting your own pain of multiple years of Leaf frustration into the idea that a rebuild is painful.

Ottawa played there best game of the year last night. Finally they are getting some players back from the flu that has hit them hard. Despite the illness they did okay other than for the laugher against Montreal.
- spatso

Chabot -3 in a 6-1 loss.

Very special.

Again, the leaf trolls fail to take into consideration that Karlsson did zero training over the summer .............. did not participate in training camp, only skated lightly on his own for a couple of weeks, and took part in a handful of practices ........ and then just jumped in to the full speed NHL ............. let's wait until he's back in shape by the end of the month.


Just a quick glance at the standings ........... I see Ottawa is still ahead of the leafs, and have a game in hand.


Oh, and if anyone cares, they also have a higher (positive) goal differential ............. some people think this is the most important stat, for some reason .............. perhaps they should take a peek at the Penguins ........... who have more points than both Ontario teams .......... and are sporting a negative goal differential.
- D0PPELGANGER

Wow, I guess the reports of Duchene not going to the Sens really has you worked up.

Ottawa has had the better 10 days or so and is now ahead of the Leafs.

See how easy that was D'Oops.

Oh... and rather than chirp about the standings, you should realize that the Leafs have lost like 4 of 5 or something and are very likely playing the worst hockey they will play all year, during the toughest part of their schedule.

It is hardly positive news that you guys have pulled out in front by 1 point and 1 game in hand and have done it on the strength of 5 loser points.

Wow, I guess the reports of Duchene not going to the Sens really has you worked up.

Ottawa has had the better 10 days or so and is now ahead of the Leafs.

See how easy that was D'Oops.

Oh... and rather than chirp about the standings, you should realize that the Leafs have lost like 4 of 5 or something and are very likely playing the worst hockey they will play all year, during the toughest part of their schedule.

It is hardly positive news that you guys have pulled out in front by 1 point and 1 game in hand and have done it on the strength of 5 loser points.


- Aetherial

As you know I like what the Leafs are doing. But I think you are far too optimistic in the long term over the rest of the season. The Leaf defence is a problem. Play will get a lot tougher after Christmas and the Leafs will not surprise anyone as they did last year.

I think they will hang in and get a playoff spot but there will be some frustrating nights in their own end over the rest of the season.

The Leaf defence is really in need of a stable veteran presence that can calm things down when the pressure starts to build.

As you know I like what the Leafs are doing. But I think you are far too optimistic in the long term over the rest of the season. The Leaf defence is a problem. Play will get a lot tougher after Christmas and the Leafs will not surprise anyone as they did last year.

I think they will hang in and get a playoff spot but there will be some frustrating nights in their own end over the rest of the season.

The Leaf defence is really in need of a stable veteran presence that can calm things down when the pressure starts to build.
- spatso

What you and D'oops just don't seem to understand, and you have never understood, is that I am FAR from the most optimistic Leafs fan. I think they need 4 new Dmen and a different goalie.

I have never, once, suggested that the Leafs would contend this year and D'oops is making himself look bad because he can't show that I have ever said it.

In fact, in a recent Leafs thread i suggested that, within 2 years, there were at least 6 or 7 Leafs players who would be gone. This core is nowhere near being done.

... I am not even convinced they hang in and get a playoff spot. The one bright side is that they looked bad in spots early last season also, but Babcock had them playing a much better system by the end of November.

Sens may be even further ahead after tonight. Finishing up your California road trip with a powerhouse like St. Louis isn't fun.

Would I do a Duchene for Turris deal?

Not sure what you gain. Both are very good players. But Turris is one of the best at playing Boucher's game and he has been clutch when it really matters.

Players always have an adjustment period after a trade and I am not sure you want to change up the chemistry that already exists with the team.

Turris would make a huge difference in Nashville aspirations.

Pageau has become Boucher's favourite go to guy and he gets all the top defensive roles. He has played really well in an offensive role since Turris went down.

Clearly Ottawa is not going to give Turris the long term deal (up to 8 years) that he wants. I agree with the need to exercise caution as their are some bigger deals that need to get done over the next few years.

Peak production for a forward is age 26 and younger with significant drop off after age 28. I am fine with short term deals for forwards at high dollars just do not provide excessive term. Long term deals with primary Dmen are okay as they move well into their 30's at peak performance rates. Same for goalies.

Would I do a Duchene for Turris deal?

Not sure what you gain. Both are very good players. But Turris is one of the best at playing Boucher's game and he has been clutch when it really matters.

Players always have an adjustment period after a trade and I am not sure you want to change up the chemistry that already exists with the team.

Turris would make a huge difference in Nashville aspirations.

Pageau has become Boucher's favourite go to guy and he gets all the top defensive roles. He has played really well in an offensive role since Turris went down.

Clearly Ottawa is not going to give Turris the long term deal (up to 8 years) that he wants. I agree with the need to exercise caution as their are some bigger deals that need to get done over the next few years.

Peak production for a forward is age 26 and younger with significant drop off after age 28. I am fine with short term deals for forwards at high dollars just do not provide excessive term. Long term deals with primary Dmen are okay as they move well into their 30's at peak performance rates. Same for goalies.
- spatso

Some fair points in there... but you are right off the rails suggesting Turris is even close to getting you Duchene. I imagine that is what Dorion wanted. He better quit huffing gas if he thinks it is going to happen.

If there really was a 3rd team involved and Ottawa is getting the most coveted player... they are giving up a lot to do it, not just Turris.

I actually hope the Sens get Duchene. I think it makes them marginally better this year but not good enough to win the cup, and they'll end up giving up a lot of future in the process.

Go look up ages, contracts, career production for Turris, Duchene and Kadri.

Then ask yourselves what your honest reaction would be if a Leafs fan came on here and suggested Kadri for Duchene?

Then consider how likely it is that Turris lands you Duchene without a BIG add going along with Turris.

Go look up ages, contracts, career production for Turris, Duchene and Kadri.

Then ask yourselves what your honest reaction would be if a Leafs fan came on here and suggested Kadri for Duchene?

Then consider how likely it is that Turris lands you Duchene without a BIG add going along with Turris.
- Aetherial

Teams look at it differently. Kahdri is -26 over his career. Duchene is -59. Turris is -1 including a few stinker years early in his career.

Turris has always played against the other team's best line as he did against Crosby and Bergeron in the playoffs last year. You know why Nashville wants him. Nashville probably thinks they can do the full deal if they have Turris in the #2 for the playoffs.

Nahville has some great young Dmen which is what Colorado wants. No idea what the final deal looks like but the talk this morning is the deal is not dead and Nashville is pushing hard.

Teams look at it differently. Kahdri is -26 over his career. Duchene is -59. Turris is -1 including a few stinker years early in his career.

Turris has always played against the other team's best line as he did against Crosby and Bergeron in the playoffs last year. You know why Nashville wants him. Nashville probably thinks they can do the full deal if they have Turris in the #2 for the playoffs.

Nahville has some great young Dmen which is what Colorado wants. No idea what the final deal looks like but the talk this morning is the deal is not dead and Nashville is pushing hard.
- spatso

So you have laughed at the Leafs defense, for years now... but then note Turris' stinker +/- years ... and not Kadri's, playing in front of the worst defense and goaltending in the NHL for his whole career until last year, when it still wasn't good.

kadri is younger, cheaper, scores more and plays with more of an edge.

You don't get Duchene for Turris. You are adding, a lot.

So you have laughed at the Leafs defense, for years now... but then note Turris' stinker +/- years ... and not Kadri's, playing in front of the worst defense and goaltending in the NHL for his whole career until last year, when it still wasn't good.

kadri is younger, cheaper, scores more and plays with more of an edge.

You don't get Duchene for Turris. You are adding, a lot.
- Aetherial

Rumored trade, fwiw. I think it's close to the value the sens would have to give up.



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1h

Once Sakic denied, #preds got involved. To #Sens: Duchene, Kamenev To #Avs: Chabot, picks, Girard To preds: Turris, picks, Brown

Rumored trade, fwiw. I think it's close to the value the sens would have to give up.



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@iamhockey1

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1h

Once Sakic denied, #preds got involved. To #Sens: Duchene, Kamenev To #Avs: Chabot, picks, Girard To preds: Turris, picks, Brown
- Steven_Stamkos

Pleeeeease let that be the deal! That would be awesome, especially when Duchene doesn't sign in two years.

wow! way rattled.

I have been outspoken about the Leafs poor defense and miserable goaltending and what I said about the Sens is true.

By the way, where is the evidence I have ever said anything about planning the parade for the Leafs, or anything like that?

Isn't it time you just manned up and admitted you make poop up because you don't have a point? It is beyond sad for you now.
- Aetherial

Nothing you say about the Sens is true ...........it's your opinion, and you're entitled to that.


Now, have you never heard the common joke, about "planning the parade route" before? You seem really rattled over it's use, a couple of weeks ago, and I must conclude you must have a very thin skin ........... oh no, did I trigger you again?

Sorry.



Don't you remember a few years ago when Tim Leiweke told the press, in toronto, that he'd already planned the leafs the parade route ? He instantly became the butt of jokes in the sports media.



http://torontosun.com/201...bb-46fe-b9c3-ff313831c731

Rumored trade, fwiw. I think it's close to the value the sens would have to give up.



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@iamhockey1

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1h

Once Sakic denied, #preds got involved. To #Sens: Duchene, Kamenev To #Avs: Chabot, picks, Girard To preds: Turris, picks, Brown
- Steven_Stamkos

lol I actually like Duchene/Kamenev but wow that would be terrible for the Sens.

Nothing you say about the Sens is true ...........it's your opinion, and you're entitled to that.


Now, have you never heard the common joke, about "planning the parade route" before? You seem really rattled over it's use, a couple of weeks ago, and I must conclude you must have a very thin skin ........... oh no, did I trigger you again?

Sorry.



Don't you remember a few years ago when Tim Leiweke told the press, in toronto, that he'd already planned the leafs the parade route ? He instantly became the butt of jokes in the sports media.



http://torontosun.com/201...bb-46fe-b9c3-ff313831c731
- D0PPELGANGER

So... the Sens are not getting older?

They are not getting more expensive?

Sorry dude, posting an article a couple years ago from the Sun has zero relevance to what you were implying and you know it. It is less relevant than finding somewhere where I even joked about it.

So go back, do your little searching for where I was talking about planning a parade route or just be a man already. Deflection won't work. You put words in my mouth to make try to make point and then finally got called on your trolling bullpoop and now you aren't man enough to admit you just pulled that one outta your ass. It's pathetic.

So... the Sens are not getting older?

They are not getting more expensive?

Sorry dude, posting an article a couple years ago from the Sun has zero relevance to what you were implying and you know it. It is less relevant than finding somewhere where I even joked about it.

So go back, do your little searching for where I was talking about planning a parade route or just be a man already. Deflection won't work. You put words in my mouth to make try to make point and then finally got called on your trolling bullpoop and now you aren't man enough to admit you just pulled that one outta your ass. It's pathetic.
- Aetherial

Sens lost to a vegas team that was struggling on the road.

Maybe if the 5th string goalie was in for vegas the geezer sens would have won.

Sens lost to a vegas team that was struggling on the road.

Maybe if the 5th string goalie was in for vegas the geezer sens would have won.
- Steven_Stamkos

As bad as the Leafs have been (which is pretty (frank)ing bad), the Sens should be concerned that a team built to win now is not that much better.

The Vegas Golden Knights currently have the fifth best record in the NHL.

The St. Louis Blues currently have the third best record in the NHL.

Ottawa currently have the ninth best record in the NHL.

The leafs, have slipped down to have the 22nd best record in the NHL.

The Montréal Canadiens currently sit with the 27th best record in the NHL.

The Vegas Golden Knights currently have the fifth best record in the NHL.

The St. Louis Blues currently have the third best record in the NHL.

Ottawa currently have the ninth best record in the NHL.

The leafs, have slipped down to have the 22nd best record in the NHL.

The Montréal Canadiens currently sit with the 27th best record in the NHL.
- D0PPELGANGER

nice

The Vegas Golden Knights currently have the fifth best record in the NHL.

The St. Louis Blues currently have the third best record in the NHL.

Ottawa currently have the ninth best record in the NHL.

The leafs, have slipped down to have the 22nd best record in the NHL.

The Montréal Canadiens currently sit with the 27th best record in the NHL.
- D0PPELGANGER

Leaf fans are not really comfortable talking scoreboard or standings. In 10 years nothing has changed very much. They are desperately in need of a serious veteran presence on their blue line. It appears to me that their problems are only getting worse.

The Vegas Golden Knights currently have the fifth best record in the NHL.

The St. Louis Blues currently have the third best record in the NHL.

Ottawa currently have the ninth best record in the NHL.

The leafs, have slipped down to have the 22nd best record in the NHL.

The Montréal Canadiens currently sit with the 27th best record in the NHL.
- D0PPELGANGER

By what measure?

Leaf fans are not really comfortable talking scoreboard or standings. In 10 years nothing has changed very much. They are desperately in need of a serious veteran presence on their blue line. It appears to me that their problems are only getting worse.
- spatso

I don't see anyone refusing to talk scoreboard.

See, Leafs fans actually show up here when their team is playing like crap.

Sens fans have nothing to be especially excited about. You are supposed to win this year. I don't see that level of play from your team right now or even close.

Being very slightly better, right now, than a Leafs team in year 2 of a rebuild, isn't exactly screaming Stanley Cup to me.

You should be concerned.

Lets talk some scoreboard.

1 head to head to head game, won by Ottawa.

6 games with common opponents (Ottawa has played 2 of them a 2nd time, Leafs played LA a second time)

Record against common opponents...

Ottawa
1 - 1 - 4

Leafs
4-2

Other opponents so far
Ottawa
Vancouver (2) 14-8-4
Detroit (game 2) 6-7-1
Calgary 7-6-0
Edmonton 4-7-1
New Jersey (game 2) 9-3-0
Vegas 9-4-0


Toronto
Winnipeg 7-3-3
Carolina 4-5-3
Chicago 7-5-2
NYR 6-7-2
San Jose 8-5-0
Anaheim 6-6-2
Los Angeles (Game 2) 10-2-2
St. Louis 11-3-1

Uncommon opponents, Ottawa: 49-35-6... p% .578
Uncommon opponents, Leafs: 59-36-15... p% .604

So, in conclusion, The Leafs have had a better record against common teams, and tougher opponents of those teams that are not common opponents.

Both teams have had western road swings but Vancouver-Calgary-Edmonton was nowhere near the San-Jose, Anaheim, LA., Stl trip the Leafs just finished.

So, yeah, the standings show the Sens are 1 pt up and 1 gm in hand, but once again, for a team that is built to win now, being only ahead by that much is pathetic, especially since one could make a good argument that the Leafs have been the worst team in the NHL over the past 10 days.

not exactly screaming Stanley Cup. Sens fans should be very concerned.

leafs fans know that a bunch of guys on the current roster are not in the plans for when they contend.