I think the opposite will happen. I'm only 34, so I can't quite say "kids these days." But when I grew up, vocational school was pretty big, with people preferring to learn trades. I was the last half-generation that didn't grow up with a PC and cable modems.

However, even kids 10 years younger than me all are better with computers by age 10 than I was at age 20. No one wants to actually work with their hands or do manual labor. Who's going to keep our sewers running? Who's going to perform tree service? Who's going to be a plumber? Who's going to get up at 5 AM, do construction for 10 hours, and get home at 7 PM?

At some point, the only way to entice people to do jobs like this will be for people to pay them tons of money.
- jmatchett383

Are you telling me that the respect Andrew MacDonald earns from his teammates will not be enough? He will want even MORE money?!

Hasktol quoted on saying reason for lehtera over read as "because he's been here." Sounds like you better get ready for a giant heaping pile of Brandon manning for 4-6 weeks

Are you telling me that the respect Andrew MacDonald earns from his teammates will not be enough? He will want even MORE money?!
- flyer_nutter

I think, at some point, that sports income will nose dive.

And please. Kids these days.

Excuse kids for being annoyed at having to pay through their teeth to get any kind of real education or buy a house.

The days of finding summer jobs by simply showing up in a clean shirt are long done, as are the days of fairly balanced cost of living/homes vs salary.

Damn kids. Just go out and try more. Work your two poopty jobs and sit at home eating boiled beets watching TV.

And please. Kids these days.

Excuse kids for being annoyed at having to pay through their teeth to get any kind of real education or buy a house.

The days of finding summer jobs by simply showing up in a clean shirt are long done, as are the days of fairl balances cost of living/homes vs salary.

Damn kids. Just go out and try more. Work your two poopty jobs and sit at home eating boiled beets watching TV.
- flyer_nutter

Yes...that is exactly what I said.

Nothing beats the sport of pro wood cutting.
- flyer_nutter

You do the math

Yes...that is exactly what I said.
- jmatchett383

That wasn’t in reference to you sir.

I think the opposite will happen. I'm only 34, so I can't quite say "kids these days." But when I grew up, vocational school was pretty big, with people preferring to learn trades. I was the last half-generation that didn't grow up with a PC and cable modems.

However, even kids 10 years younger than me all are better with computers by age 10 than I was at age 20. No one wants to actually work with their hands or do manual labor. Who's going to keep our sewers running? Who's going to perform tree service? Who's going to be a plumber? Who's going to get up at 5 AM, do construction for 10 hours, and get home at 7 PM?

At some point, the only way to entice people to do jobs like this will be for people to pay them tons of money.
- jmatchett383

Part of this also seems to stem from public schools ramming college down kid's throats as well. They really make it seem like you're a failure if you don't have college plans, and even taking a year off is the worst thing you could do.

I'm sure that's not how it is in all public schools, but its that way in my area.

And please. Kids these days.

Excuse kids for being annoyed at having to pay through their teeth to get any kind of real education or buy a house.

The days of finding summer jobs by simply showing up in a clean shirt are long done, as are the days of fairly balanced cost of living/homes vs salary.

Damn kids. Just go out and try more. Work your two poopty jobs and sit at home eating boiled beets watching TV.
- flyer_nutter

It's definitely more challenging these days but I maintained a full time job since age 17 (now illegal) and worked through college. Paid down school loans while going to school. Recently went back for my masters thanks to full time online schooling that's now available from good schools not just online only schools. Built a career than changed to a new one. Not impossible but definitely significantly more difficult. I for one think state funded universities should have free tuition. Room board etc can have costs but if we pay for it it should be free. Make a required gpa to keep it free and a minimum of years live in state to get it. Easy.

And please. Kids these days.

Excuse kids for being annoyed at having to pay through their teeth to get any kind of real education or buy a house.

The days of finding summer jobs by simply showing up in a clean shirt are long done, as are the days of fairly balanced cost of living/homes vs salary.

Damn kids. Just go out and try more. Work your two poopty jobs and sit at home eating boiled beets watching TV.
- flyer_nutter

That damn internet. Ruining everything.

Part of this also seems to stem from public schools ramming college down kid's throats as well. They really make it seem like you're a failure if you don't have college plans, and even taking a year off is the worst thing you could do.

I'm sure that's not how it is in all public schools, but its that way in my area.
- JFlyers00

Thing is though, just how many jobs do you really need? The population is so high that I think it’s a valid question.

I think the current system will be outdated. There needs to be more of a communal vibe, working for the greater good- not just money. Eventually I hope that’s what happens because automation won’t slow down.

That wasn’t in reference to you sir.
- flyer_nutter

ok, noted.

I'm not saying that it's good or fair to have to pay through the nose to get a college degree (which 99% of people seem to want/need to do now). And it sucks earning minimum wage just so you have enough cash to take your girl out every now and then. I'm just not a fan of hearing people (some my age and older) whine about not being able to find a job when they're not willing to roll up their sleeves and actually work.

It's definitely more challenging these days but I maintained a full time job since age 17 (now illegal) and worked through college. Paid down school loans while going to school. Recently went back for my masters thanks to full time online schooling that's now available from good schools not just online only schools. Built a career than changed to a new one. Not impossible but definitely significantly more difficult. I for one think state funded universities should have free tuition. Room board etc can have costs but if we pay for it it should be free. Make a required gpa to keep it free and a minimum of years live in state to get it. Easy.
- Tfaehner

Quite frankly. I’ll end my discussion on this topic with one thing. World needs a French Revolution 2.0. Nutter be crazy, I know haha.

That damn internet. Ruining everything.
- JFlyers00

Damn right. We should be out plowing those fields.

Not sure why we believe that today’s society is the end all be all.

We are heading back to Industrial Revolution days thanks to globalism. Don’t like your poopty paying job and conditions? We will just find someone else to do it.

Whatevs man. People with that frame of mind are dead in 50 and under. Society will evolve one way or another.
- flyer_nutter

kumbaya, man, kumbaya

Thing is though, just how many jobs do you really need? The population is so high that I think it’s a valid question.

I think the current system will be outdated. There needs to be more of a communal vibe, working for the greater good- not just money. Eventually I hope that’s what happens because automation won’t slow down.
- flyer_nutter

And Scoob, for the record, this show is a thousand times better than Jerry and friends.

ok, noted.

I'm not saying that it's good or fair to have to pay through the nose to get a college degree (which 99% of people seem to want/need to do now). And it sucks earning minimum wage just so you have enough cash to take your girl out every now and then. I'm just not a fan of hearing people (some my age and older) whine about not being able to find a job when they're not willing to roll up their sleeves and actually work.
- jmatchett383

I would like to know where all these mystery we’ll paying jobs that can provide a decent quality of life are hiding. There is an abundance of them just hiding somewhere.

I’ve heard the comment before too.
(Again not really directed at you)

I think the opposite will happen. I'm only 34, so I can't quite say "kids these days." But when I grew up, vocational school was pretty big, with people preferring to learn trades. I was the last half-generation that didn't grow up with a PC and cable modems.

However, even kids 10 years younger than me all are better with computers by age 10 than I was at age 20. No one wants to actually work with their hands or do manual labor. Who's going to keep our sewers running? Who's going to perform tree service? Who's going to be a plumber? Who's going to get up at 5 AM, do construction for 10 hours, and get home at 7 PM?

At some point, the only way to entice people to do jobs like this will be for people to pay them tons of money.
- jmatchett383

Yep. College isn't for everyone

Now I’m low key fired up hah. It’s like the same fools that put profit above people, or think climate change is not impacted in any way by humans.

(frank) you man. You’re dead in under 50 and good thing.

I would like to know where all these mystery we’ll paying jobs that can provide a decent quality of life are hiding. There is an abundance of them just hiding somewhere.

I’ve heard the comment before too.
(Again not really directed at you)
- flyer_nutter

Case in point: A few years ago, I saw my buddy Dan. He had recently quit his job (some office position, it was a few years ago) because it "wasn't good enough for him" and was forced to move back in with his parents because he couldn't keep up with his rent.

Another guy I know was working for a home renovation company. He quit because he refused to work for someone else. He and his girl, who was living with him had to move back in with her parents because he couldn't find work, but refused to get a job of any sort where he wasn't the boss.

Both of these cases involve people older than me and someone my age. But the whole "not good enough for me" thing is really what annoys me. My dad makes $55,000 or so annually by hauling heavy, rotten, spider-infested logs around because it provides for his family. How many 18-year-old kids do you think would see that as something they'd be willing to do for the next 40 years?

ok, noted.

I'm not saying that it's good or fair to have to pay through the nose to get a college degree (which 99% of people seem to want/need to do now). And it sucks earning minimum wage just so you have enough cash to take your girl out every now and then. I'm just not a fan of hearing people (some my age and older) whine about not being able to find a job when they're not willing to roll up their sleeves and actually work.
- jmatchett383

Damn you MJL with the bait. Damn you haha.

I would like to know where all these mystery we’ll paying jobs that can provide a decent quality of life are hiding. There is an abundance of them just hiding somewhere.

I’ve heard the comment before too.
(Again not really directed at you)
- flyer_nutter

Most of my friends who didn't go to college from the Philly area went union and or military. One my closest friends is an electrician went straight to the union after high school and makes 6 figures owns a home and a brand new Mercedes by age 25. Another buddy is a cdl truck driver in the ny union. Wakes up at 4 am to make the commute 90 minutes every day both ways but makes over 60k more by being in the ny union for it. Owns 2 homes and 7 vehicles. He's 27. Another friend learned hvac now owns his own company. Married 2 kids and a big beautiful home and shore house. Age 28.

At least in this area there is plenty of opportunity in the trade field. All these rich suburban areas pay top dollar for people to work on their homes or businesses.

Again I don't agree with the way the world is now. You can clearly see my age group and I know a ton of people still making 15 16 an hour with 100k of debt from college. But I also know a lot who are very successful. I'd say it's 50/50.

Thing is though, just how many jobs do you really need? The population is so high that I think it’s a valid question.

I think the current system will be outdated. There needs to be more of a communal vibe, working for the greater good- not just money. Eventually I hope that’s what happens because automation won’t slow down.
- flyer_nutter

Well, I'm sure automation/new technology will create new jobs as it will need to maintained and what not. It remains to be seen whether the new jobs created will be enough to offset the jobs automation replaces. Without a doubt though, it will lower the demand for lower skilled workers while increasing demand for higher skilled workers. This is already going on today though.

I do believe a UBI will be needed at some point. Its just really hard to predict when.

Case in point: A few years ago, I saw my buddy Dan. He had recently quit his job (some office position, it was a few years ago) because it "wasn't good enough for him" and was forced to move back in with his parents because he couldn't keep up with his rent.

Another guy I know was working for a home renovation company. He quit because he refused to work for someone else. He and his girl, who was living with him had to move back in with her parents because he couldn't find work, but refused to get a job of any sort where he wasn't the boss.

Both of these cases involve people older than me and someone my age. But the whole "not good enough for me" thing is really what annoys me. My dad makes $55,000 or so annually by hauling heavy, rotten, spider-infested logs around because it provides for his family. How many 18-year-old kids do you think would see that as something they'd be willing to do for the next 40 years?
- jmatchett383

My response to that is easy. Your dads wage should be higher, and in turn the wage of (let’s throw a easy example out) the wage of the CEO of amazon should be lower. There is too much of a divide/gap.