From the hilights against Vancouver, he was flying out there but defensively he was a train wreck, out of position on goals against.
- LeafMan

Yeah. He wasn't even close to where he should have been. The 1st one he was on for he followed the guy above the circle and the 2nd one he was behind the Vancouver goal line.

But that's how he always is. Excellent offensively and a train wreck defensively.

You just know this guy is gonna explode the (frank)ing second he leaves Montreal.
- Scabeh

And there it is, full circle, the Leafs had that problem for oh so many years.

Let's not hope this Saturday night.
- LeafMan

He might, but I don't think its going to be enough.
The Leafs are for real.

Yeah. He wasn't even close to where he should have been. The 1st one he was on for he followed the guy above the circle and the 2nd one he was behind the Vancouver goal line.

But that's how he always is. Excellent offensively and a train wreck defensively.
- GreatGigInTheSky

*waits*

(nothing triggers the mythical Ottawa fan more than this line)

*waits*

(nothing triggers the mythical Ottawa fan more than this line)
- markmark

Mythical? You mean like gargoyles and gremlins? As in they don't exist?

Mythical? You mean like gargoles and gremlins? As in they don't exist?
- bobbyisno1

They're like elves in Iceland. Apparently they live in the fields and in the countryside far away from the city, but they're completely invisible and you never actually see them.

*waits*

(nothing triggers the mythical Ottawa fan more than this line)
- markmark

I honestly have no idea why it would upset anyone. It's a factual statement.

*waits*

(nothing triggers the mythical Ottawa fan more than this line)
- markmark

Oh, you.



... but seriously, Karlsson's defense is really underrated.

They're like elves in Iceland. Apparently they live in the fields and in the countryside far away from the city, but they're completely invisible and you never actually see them.
- TheMussel

Nah, all 4000 of them live in the city and they can't commute to their hockey rink.

Hey, top 5 would be just fine.

As long as you draft the right guy.
- Scabeh

True, many good ones, a few meh though:



2017 Ellias Pettersen Vancouver Canucks
2016 Oli Juolevi Vancouver Canucks
2015 Noah Hanifin Carolina Hurricanes
2014 Michael Del Cole LW New York Islanders
2013 Elias Lindholm C/RW Carolina Hurricanes
2012 Morgan Rielly D Toronto Maple Leafs
2011 Ryan Strome C New York Islanders
2010 Nino Niederreiter LW New York Islanders
2009 Brayden Schenn C Los Angeles Kings
2008 Luke Schenn D Toronto Maple Leafs

Virtanen was 6th in 2014 by Canucks

True, many good ones, a few meh though:



2017 Ellias Pettersen Vancouver Canucks
2016 Oli Juolevi Vancouver Canucks
2015 Noah Hanifin Carolina Hurricanes
2014 Michael Del Cole LW New York Islanders
2013 Elias Lindholm C/RW Carolina Hurricanes
2012 Morgan Rielly D Toronto Maple Leafs
2011 Ryan Strome C New York Islanders
2010 Nino Niederreiter LW New York Islanders
2009 Brayden Schenn C Los Angeles Kings
2008 Luke Schenn D Toronto Maple Leafs

Virtanen was 6th in 2014 by Canucks
- winsix

I only see 1 above average player there.

He might, but I don't think its going to be enough.
The Leafs are for real.
- bobbyisno1

i think matthews was really bothered that he was on the ice chasing the puck for ottawa's OT winner last year in his 4-goal game.

he's a different player in OT this year. and i think he's going to have chip on his shoulder every time he plays ottawa.

i'm looking forward to saturday night.

I only see 1 above average player there.
- bobbyisno1

THE HUMAN ERASER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You just know this guy is gonna explode the (frank)ing second he leaves Montreal.
- Scabeh

He's probably the forward with the most upside, but Habs fanbase not the most patient bunch with team, managers or coaches - and why should they be?

True, many good ones, a few meh though:



2017 Ellias Pettersen Vancouver Canucks
2016 Oli Juolevi Vancouver Canucks
2015 Noah Hanifin Carolina Hurricanes
2014 Michael Del Cole LW New York Islanders
2013 Elias Lindholm C/RW Carolina Hurricanes
2012 Morgan Rielly D Toronto Maple Leafs
2011 Ryan Strome C New York Islanders
2010 Nino Niederreiter LW New York Islanders
2009 Brayden Schenn C Los Angeles Kings
2008 Luke Schenn D Toronto Maple Leafs

Virtanen was 6th in 2014 by Canucks
- winsix

Now I'm not saying those were the best pick available at their respective ranks.

But the bolded are all guys that should end up really helping their teams, which is what you need to get at that rank.

Too soon to include Juolevi and Pettersen obviously.

Oh, you.



... but seriously, Karlsson's defense is really underrated.
- david22

he's great skating or passing the puck out of trouble.

he's pretty average defensively without the puck imo. mistake prone like most guys.

Now I'm not saying those were the best pick available at their respective ranks.

But the bolded are all guys that should end up really helping their teams, which is what you need to get at that rank.

Too soon to include Juolevi and Pettersen obviously.
- Scabeh

B. Schenn is too much of a PP specialist for my liking, but I'd agree that a team needing a top-6 winger could do worse. He's like the Bozak of the wing.

I only see 1 above average player there.
- bobbyisno1

Too early to say on the 2016 an 17 choices but Hanifin, Rielly, Brayden Schenn and Nino Niederreiter are all good players. So I respectfully disagree.

Too early to say on the 2016 an 17 choices but Hanifin, Rielly, Brayden Schenn and Nino Niederreiter are all good players. So I respectfully disagree.
- winsix

Schenn
Average at best.

B. Schenn is too much of a PP specialist for my liking, but I'd agree that a team needing a top-6 winger could do worse. He's like the Bozak of the wing.
- AdamFrench

I like him.

But I'm like dozzer when it comes to dating.

I'm desperate and would take anything worthwhile.

I think the Leafs have more empty net goals so far this year than last year. Lol

I like him.

But I'm like dozzer when it comes to dating.

I'm desperate and would take anything worthwhile.
- Scabeh

You're dating, you don't have to keep it.

I like him.

But I'm like dozzer when it comes to dating.

I'm desperate and would take anything worthwhile.
- Scabeh

Relax, it is only 6 or 7 games into the season...

Schenn
Average at best.
- bobbyisno1

26 and 25 goals last two seasons, hard hitting player with speed, I'd say better than average.

I think the Leafs have more empty net goals so far this year than last year. Lol
- LeafMan

i like how everyone is getting the red line before having a go at the net