I don't like Dorsett either, but you have to give credit where credit is due when him, granlund and sutter played McDavid.

I think you need to play them again against the Jets top line which has been on fire lately. Another good test to see if they can really shut down other teams top lines or not.
- Codes1087

Sutter checked McDavid. So yes I will give him credit, he did very well and I personally have always liked Sutter.

A someone who has watched teams that tank take up to a decade to get good again (Oilers, Leafs), I don't care about future draft picks. I care about day to day growth and playing the best players right now. Replacing JV with BB is miscasting BB and leaving a liability (TV) in a potential scoring role IMO. #sitVanek
- Robio

This line of thinking is exactly why the Canucks have never won a Cup and the Leafs haven't even made a finals in the past 50 years. Only caring about today has always meant trading away draft picks and young players to win now, it is, and always has been, a failed attempt to win it all.

If it takes ten years, who gives a flying you know what, they've sucked for the three of the past four years, what's another four years to get the kids that can actually win you a Stanley Cup???

Geez, I guess summer's over.

This line of thinking is exactly why the Canucks have never won a Cup and the Leafs haven't even made a finals in the past 50 years. Only caring about today has always meant trading away draft picks and young players to win now, it is, and always has been, a failed attempt to win it all.

If it takes ten years, who gives a flying you know what, they've sucked for the three of the past four years, what's another four years to get the kids that can actually win you a Stanley Cup???
- LeftCoaster

#top5pick2018

This line of thinking is exactly why the Canucks have never won a Cup and the Leafs haven't even made a finals in the past 50 years. Only caring about today has always meant trading away draft picks and young players to win now, it is, and always has been, a failed attempt to win it all.

If it takes ten years, who gives a flying you know what, they've sucked for the three of the past four years, what's another four years to get the kids that can actually win you a Stanley Cup???
- LeftCoaster

I'm so tired of grinding hockey. I say save that defence first strategy for the playoffs.

Youth and speed no matter the outcome or until management can put together a roster that can actually win.

I'd like to know why someone continues to visit a place that he is frequently been told he is not welcome by multiple people. I'd like to know why this forum has to change to suit his sensibilities. I'd like to know why people who obviously don't have the thick skin continue to visit this forum only to leave in tears because people don't agree with them. I don't know why we welcome people who go over the Referee's head only to create chaos. I'd like to know why we have put up with this for a year and counting.
- Marwood

Sutter checked McDavid. So yes I will give him credit, he did very well and I personally have always liked Sutter.
- neem55

Actually the entire line checked McDavids line, as codes states credit where credit is due.

I thought Dorsett played well in the 2 games so far, and it is blind hatred of Dorsett that won't allow an open minded analysis.

I thought the Sedins played poorly in the first game and well in the second game, Beartschi played poorly in both games and he would be my pick for odd man out.

I also think we will be seeing Green playing favourites with players just like Desjardins did. Virtanen played well enough in both games to warrant play over Baertschi.

Vanek isn't coming out of the lineup. It will be selke candidate Dorsett and his dumpter fire giveaways. Everytime he steps on the ice to PK I cringe
- neem55

I hear you

This line of thinking is exactly why the Canucks have never won a Cup and the Leafs haven't even made a finals in the past 50 years. Only caring about today has always meant trading away draft picks and young players to win now, it is, and always has been, a failed attempt to win it all.

If it takes ten years, who gives a flying you know what, they've sucked for the three of the past four years, what's another four years to get the kids that can actually win you a Stanley Cup???
- LeftCoaster

The perennial cup winners got lucky by getting top picks when star players were up for grabs. The draft is a crap shoot and tanking does not work (no McD, no Oilers success). The Canucks already have the frame of a rebuild with decent 20 something players that they have acquired through various means. Taking out Vanek for Boeser is not going to hurt that because Boeser is a better player right now. Not sure why that is such a terrible thing to say.

Actually the entire line checked McDavids line, as codes states credit where credit is due.

I thought Dorsett played well in the 2 games so far, and it is blind hatred of Dorsett that won't allow an open minded analysis.

I thought the Sedins played poorly in the first game and well in the second game, Beartschi played poorly in both games and he would be my pick for odd man out.

I also think we will be seeing Green playing favourites with players just like Desjardins did. Virtanen played well enough in both games to warrant play over Baertschi.
- Makita

Sven just needs to finish on his breakaways. He could have 4 goals right now. At least he is getting the chances. Vanek's prayer shot through a screen is all he has done. #sitVanek

The perennial cup winners got lucky by getting top picks when star players were up for grabs. The draft is a crap shoot and tanking does not work (no McD, no Oilers success). The Canucks already have the frame of a rebuild with decent 20 something players that they have acquired through various means. Taking out Vanek for Boeser is not going to hurt that because Boeser is a better player right now. Not sure why that is such a terrible thing to say.
- Robio

This, my statement, has nothing to do with Vanek or Boeser, it has everything to do with putting yourself in a position to select the best players. Tanking is not just luck, it's a viable method during a rebuilding process.

Actually the entire line checked McDavids line, as codes states credit where credit is due.

I thought Dorsett played well in the 2 games so far, and it is blind hatred of Dorsett that won't allow an open minded analysis.

I thought the Sedins played poorly in the first game and well in the second game, Beartschi played poorly in both games and he would be my pick for odd man out.

I also think we will be seeing Green playing favourites with players just like Desjardins did. Virtanen played well enough in both games to warrant play over Baertschi.
- Makita

Beartschi is Mason Raymond 2.0. Him and Vanek hopefully are being offloaded this season for picks or decent prospect.

Actually the entire line checked McDavids line, as codes states credit where credit is due.

I thought Dorsett played well in the 2 games so far, and it is blind hatred of Dorsett that won't allow an open minded analysis.

I thought the Sedins played poorly in the first game and well in the second game, Beartschi played poorly in both games and he would be my pick for odd man out.

I also think we will be seeing Green playing favourites with players just like Desjardins did. Virtanen played well enough in both games to warrant play over Baertschi.
- Makita

To me, it's not blind if you look at the overall body of work and make a deductive conclusion from that. I personally think Granlund and Sutter are exceptional defensively. I think JV would be a better fit for that line as he doesn't turn the puck over as much. After two games, those two guys balance out his negatives and allow him to be a physical presence out there. I get that, but sheltering a liability is what it is and yakapov would look like a defensive stalwart on that line IMO.

The perennial cup winners got lucky by getting top picks when star players were up for grabs. The draft is a crap shoot and tanking does not work (no McD, no Oilers success). The Canucks already have the frame of a rebuild with decent 20 something players that they have acquired through various means. Taking out Vanek for Boeser is not going to hurt that because Boeser is a better player right now. Not sure why that is such a terrible thing to say.
- Robio

I don't think it's a terrible thing to say, but I certainly don't agree with your assessment, what do you base your statement on preseason? It can't be his 698pts in 887 games,

I hear you
- LordHumungous

lol you can't look at that gif and not wonder what the hell is actually happening

This, my statement, has nothing to do with Vanek or Boeser, it has everything to do with putting yourself in a position to select the best players. Tanking is not just luck, it's a viable method during a rebuilding process.
- LeftCoaster

Any recent evidence of a tanking team now being successful?

Carolina? Not yet. Winnipeg with all of its top picks? Not yet. The last ones were Pittsburgh and Chicago and they lucked out with generational players. The Oilers might be the next one (again lucky).

You piped in when I was saying play the kids over worrying about getting a 2nd for Vanek. I think we are arguing the same point. Or are we?

Beartschi is Mason Raymond 2.0. Him and Vanek hopefully are being offloaded this season for picks or decent prospect.
- Reubenkincade

This I agree on, and I think will happen.

Any recent evidence of a tanking team now being successful?

Carolina? Not yet. Winnipeg with all of its top picks? Not yet. The last ones were Pittsburgh and Chicago and they lucked out with generational players. The Oilers might be the next one (again lucky).

You piped in when I was saying play the kids over worrying about getting a 2nd for Vanek. I think we are arguing the same point. Or are we?


- Robio

Any team that has a foundational player (besides the lottery Crosby), has had "success" through tanking.

I don't think it's a terrible thing to say, but I certainly don't agree with your assessment, what do you base your statement on preseason? It can't be his 698pts in 887 games,
- Makita

I'm basing my opinion on engagement this year in the 5 games I have watched (1 live). Vanek is not engaged. BB is. I'll give Vanek the benefit of the doubt, but he is the guy who most deserves to come out today IMO because out of the candidates he has been the least engaged.

Actually the entire line checked McDavids line, as codes states credit where credit is due.

I thought Dorsett played well in the 2 games so far, and it is blind hatred of Dorsett that won't allow an open minded analysis.

I thought the Sedins played poorly in the first game and well in the second game, Beartschi played poorly in both games and he would be my pick for odd man out.

I also think we will be seeing Green playing favourites with players just like Desjardins did. Virtanen played well enough in both games to warrant play over Baertschi.
- Makita

Well said. It's frustrating that posters can't seperate the contract from the player. Dorsett is a fine 4th liner that provides a bit of grit and decent PK abilities

Any team that has a foundational player (besides the lottery Crosby), has had success through tanking.
- Codes1087

I'm asking for an example of a team that tanked and got better without lucking their way into a generational player as the top pick (Getting a McD or Matthews as opposed to a Patrick Stefan or Yakupov). Just look at Atlanta / Winnipeg. All those great picks, still meddling years later. I'd rather build as we go as JB is doing now by bringing in 20 somethings. The next step is to play them, so #sitVanek

Sven just needs to finish on his breakaways. He could have 4 goals right now. At least he is getting the chances. Vanek's prayer shot through a screen is all he has done. #sitVanek
- Robio

lol...Vanek ain't sitting. That's what good players do they find ways to score. Whether you like Vanek or not he will get you 40-50 points no matter what team he plays on. We have no clue what Boeser's consistency level will be. They should rotating Burmi and Boeser until someone get hot. I think JV has done enough to stay in.

I'm basing my opinion on engagement this year in the 5 games I have watched (1 live). Vanek is not engaged. BB is. I'll give Vanek the benefit of the doubt, but he is the guy who most deserves to come out today IMO because out of the candidates he has been the least engaged.
- Robio

Vanek hasn't appeared engaged in his entire career yet he always produces.

The perennial cup winners got lucky by getting top picks when star players were up for grabs. The draft is a crap shoot and tanking does not work (no McD, no Oilers success). The Canucks already have the frame of a rebuild with decent 20 something players that they have acquired through various means. Taking out Vanek for Boeser is not going to hurt that because Boeser is a better player right now. Not sure why that is such a terrible thing to say.
- Robio

Except that all the perennial teams that got lucky tanked and got top-5 picks, which aren't really crap shoots at all (more like coinflip or better)

I'm basing my opinion on engagement this year in the 5 games I have watched (1 live). Vanek is not engaged. BB is. I'll give Vanek the benefit of the doubt, but he is the guy who most deserves to come out today IMO because out of the candidates he has been the least engaged.
- Robio

If that's your assessment fair enough, I happen to disagree. I see a guy that knows when and were to expend his energies, a veteran that has played through all the situations and can react.

This is the great thing about hockey, that everyone sees things differently and I'm glad there are differences of opinions, except Lefty, he is always right and we are always wrong..