There was that one time they scored 5 on Brouder and lost
- corduroy

Alexander Picard remembers.

My initial point was he's not playing well give Morin a game or 2 before we send him down or maybe he outplays him and stays in. Won't know until he plays the game. My reasoning is gudas is not playing well and he's not a part of our long term future. If it's not Morin we got Myers Friedman and a whole list of other guys on the way. I understand he's been a good defenseman for us but big picture there's no reason not to try giving Morin some time.
- Tfaehner

Big picture is you need stability to introduce these rookies into the line up and have them develop as quality young defensemen. Gudas playing up to his capabilities will be a big part of that. I want Morin in the line up as much as anyone but I think the time to do it was in LA or Anaheim. Now he will have to wait for an injury/opportunity.

tough to kill a guy in this situation, but this is simply horrid goaltending. he's flat, and literally gave himself no chance by playing it that way on the post. forsberg is too far into the middle of the ice for one, not to mention he's a right hand shot on the left side, so he has the ENTIRE right side of the net to hit. i could have scored there. if he was left handed i could give him a slight pass for playing that side, but he's not.

he fought the puck all night. 2 rebounds in the crease ended up in the net. bad rebound to hartnell, beaten cleanly on the 4th goal from in close. and this....(frank), this is just awful. sorry, it just is.

(frank)ing (frank).
- hammarby31

L-Y-O-N-S, H-A-R-T, S-A-N-D-S-T-R-O-M

Give them a call!

How was Giroux more hungover than Hartsy?
- jra173

his play on the 3rd goal. wow. just wow.

Alexander Picard remembers.
- jmatchett383

Agreed.

It still boggles my mind that such a seemingly risk-averse coach challenged there at the end.

The penalties leading to the initial 2 man advantage were rather ticky tack, but the veterans need to know better. Weise needs to know he can't be tackling guys like that. I do feel like the pred should have been called for interference too though (4v4 then Amacs penalty doesn't happen).

Elliot was garbage last night.

It seems as though the challenge was an emotional overreaction to the 2 initial calls they didn't agree with. Gotta be better than that. The challenge only makes sense IMO if it was the go-ahead goal.
- JFlyers00

I understand what Hak was trying with the challenge. He was super pissed.

After the penalties, I had to lip read but think he said something like, "(frank)ING Bull poop call, (frank)ing Bull poop, (frank)ing bull poop , (frank) OFF". Ever see him wound up like that. I hate the end result and I wouldn't have the balls to make it. But Hak was fired up. He really thought his team got screwed. It was nice to see some emotion from him.

Think Elliot was bad and had a couple leakers. Nuevy is always good against Washington and Elliot knows the western conference better. May have been part of the decision.

GUDAS was out of position looking for hits.
BTW, he was out of position looking for a hit in LA which forced Sanhiem to lose his man on the wrong side of the ice for the first goal.

I am LOVING Patrick's "demotion". He had an assist last game against the ducks and both he and TK had goals last night.

Forth line is AWESOME. Started the come back. They aren't perfect. Think VDV might be available if you aren't happy with these guys, lol. Also think RAFL is a HUGE part of this line. He allows Leir and Laughton to free wheel a bit.

NP is twice as good as NH, we won that one.

Sure glad Hak pulled Filp off the pp1 before game three. He was NEVER going to produce ANYTHING in that spot. I also think Schenn scorerd most of his goals the same way from that spot. They weren't all super one time set ups. Puck retrieval.

First line still working on things and G was gassed on that one goal. That being said, G and Coots both have a goal and 2 assists while Jake has 6 assists. 12 points in four games to start. 3 points a game. Let's please bi tch some more.

PP is 5 for 17? I think. Can live with those numbers. PP2 looks really good. G set up one from behind the net in a Patrick like move. Maybe Knoblaugh finger prints? Oh, Proveys goal was 1 second after PP expired so call it 6 for 17, not bad.

I remember bad predictions before the trip and most agreed that 2-2 would be a good road trip. Just feels bad because of the end last night. Could have won against the team that was 2 wins away from the cup last spring in their home opener after the banner raising. That is a very good team that they were down 3-0 to and only lost due to a bit of a screwing.

I LOVE this team so far. Sure they have work to due. But coming home 2-2 on a tough road trip that ended in Smashville isn't the end of the world and I refuse to get down at this point. First, we have hockey. Next we have a young exciting team that is fun to watch with more talented kids banging on the door. It's a great time to be a fan.


LETS GO FLYERS!!!!!

tough to kill a guy in this situation, but this is simply horrid goaltending. he's flat, and literally gave himself no chance by playing it that way on the post. forsberg is too far into the middle of the ice for one, not to mention he's a right hand shot on the left side, so he has the ENTIRE right side of the net to hit. i could have scored there. if he was left handed i could give him a slight pass for playing that side, but he's not.

he fought the puck all night. 2 rebounds in the crease ended up in the net. bad rebound to hartnell, beaten cleanly on the 4th goal from in close. and this....(frank), this is just awful. sorry, it just is.

(frank)ing (frank).
- hammarby31

L-Y-O-N-S, H-A-R-T, S-A-N-D-S-T-R-O-M

Give them a call!
- youarewrong

i'm not throwing in the towel on him. i think he settled down in the opener, and played well in the ducks game. he was not good last night. it happens.

the future is just that.

his play on the 3rd goal. wow. just wow.
- hammarby31

I was livid. He looked completely checked out on that goal. Behind his own net(for no reason at all)and watching his man score.

- wilsonecho91

it's a good thing i was watching with the kids last night, or half my house would be in the garbage right now.

Big picture is you need stability to introduce these rookies into the line up and have them develop as quality young defensemen. Gudas playing up to his capabilities will be a big part of that. I want Morin in the line up as much as anyone but I think the time to do it was in LA or Anaheim. Now he will have to wait for an injury/opportunity.
- Baxter27

Probably just agree to disagree here. I think Morin in for gudas for a game or 2 could force gudas to get his head out his ass. Like I said best case Morin gets a game or 2 shows he's absolutely amazing shutdown defenseman and forever more. Worst case he struggles gudas is re inserted and Morin goes to the phantoms where he was inevitably going anyway awaiting injury call up.

I was livid. He looked completely checked out on that goal. Behind his own net(for no reason at all)and watching his man score.
- Baxter27

i am at a complete loss. let's not forget his poopty slashing penalty that led to the preds first goal.

I really don't know where you come up with this stuff. No one has called Gudas an offensive Dman or asked for him to be running a pp unit. And while some have suggested that he get a shot at playing on the top pair with Provorov, no one has actually claimed that he's a legit top pair Dman, rather they just thought that he could be an upgrade to AMac who also isn't a legit top pair dman.

Many are justifiably calling out Gudas for his poor play so far this year and many have called him out in the past for the same from time to time. When he stays calm and doesn't take himself out of position looking for big hits, he's a solid Dman. When he starts to run around like a headless chicken, he's not.

You have a unique way of seeing things.

edit: Please show one example of any of the regular posters on this thread who've called for Ghost/Gudas to be the Flyers top pair.
- BiggE

Mononoke has always said all of this. Feaner always debated to the death Gudas' greatness by pointing out the large margin in play between Luke Schenn and Radko Gudas and looking at their overall careers, there really isn't one. There has been talks of how the Coburn deal was a good trade because Gudas is as good, if not better. There has been talks of how Gudas should wear an "A" this coming season.

I don't bookmark every crazy thing people say. What I do know is, if Jeremy Roenick says Steve Mason sucks as a Flyer on national tv, you all lose your minds, but once we don't re-sign him and he has one bad game with his new team, he's awful!! The new guy, who has done nothing in the past three seasons is the new savior.

This is the norm for you guys. Now please rain the Schenn brother jokes on me. I'm sure today's comments won't be anymore original from yesterday's or the days before last.

i am at a complete loss. let's not forget his poopty slashing penalty that led to the preds first goal.
- hammarby31

He came alive once the comeback was on but the first half of the game, Him and Voracek looked like the most overpaid players in the league.

sad I am not your fave HB goalie

That gif makes it look worse than it should be (I thought forsberg could've been pressured more, but I believe provy was out there for a while). The 5v3 ended but their 4 PKers never really got into form and Forsberg had tons of time to pick a spot.

He really didn't need it though, as Elliott was definitely too deep and actually makes himself less square on the shot. That part is on Elliott. The pass doesn't matter if the shooter has that much open.

Not that it matters, just think it is interesting, but my reflex on shots is always to turn out towards the shot, not in like he did. whatevs
- YuenglingJagr

2nd favorite?

2nd favorite?
- nastyflyergirl

there can be only one.

tough to kill a guy in this situation, but this is simply horrid goaltending. he's flat, and literally gave himself no chance by playing it that way on the post. forsberg is too far into the middle of the ice for one, not to mention he's a right hand shot on the left side, so he has the ENTIRE right side of the net to hit. i could have scored there. if he was left handed i could give him a slight pass for playing that side, but he's not.

he fought the puck all night. 2 rebounds in the crease ended up in the net. bad rebound to hartnell, beaten cleanly on the 4th goal from in close. and this....(frank), this is just awful. sorry, it just is.

(frank)ing (frank).
- hammarby31

that is how I saw it and like YuenglingJagr said about turning in instead of out. I thought it was bad goaltending not that I am blaming him per se. just seemed to be back on his heals. Eliott has just been ok to me over his first 3 games. I come back with Neuvirth on Saturday if I am the coach.

L-Y-O-N-S, H-A-R-T, S-A-N-D-S-T-R-O-M

Give them a call!
- youarewrong

wonder where Fedotov, Tomek and Ustimenko stand in the pecking order. Don't ever really hear much bout Fedotov

I understand what Hak was trying with the challenge. He was super pissed.

After the penalties, I had to lip read but think he said something like, "(frank)ING Bull poop call, (frank)ing Bull poop, (frank)ing bull poop , (frank) OFF". Ever see him wound up like that. I hate the end result and I wouldn't have the balls to make it. But Hak was fired up. He really thought his team got screwed. It was nice to see some emotion from him.
- jaws1955

I'm pretty sure there was a "franking brutal call" in there somewhere

his play on the 3rd goal. wow. just wow.
- hammarby31

I wasn't as annoyed at him being turned by a player as much as I was annoyed that he just glided behind the net. Cripes if you are beaten on the rush like that, and it was a strong move to the net, go with him. pick someone up. anything but do what he did and just end up behind the net.

I seriously thought the pred player stepped on Amac's stick. i hated that call esp in the situation.

2-2 on what could have been a killer opening season road trip isn't bad but because of how they blew that game it feels like it sucks. I'm looking at the positives....after the initial 8 mins or so the Flyers totally matched and at times exceeded the Preds speed. they are a good benchmark. would we have said that last year at any time? Giroux, despite his occasional dumb ass defensive lapses, has looked MUCH faster. Voracek can play much better but yet he still has 6 assists. Ghost looks like Ghost again. Provorov keeps getting better. Sanheim and Hagg have held their own. Patrick with a goal and assist and looks better each game. we have a 4th line that spends most shifts in the offensive zone. the first goal happened because Leier backchecked his ass off, stole the puck, quick transition and Laughton got the puck to Amac. that all happens because of their speed and tenacity.

all i can ask with a roster of 4 rookies, 3 second year guys and 2 third year guys is for them to be in every game like they have been so far.
- nastyflyergirl

Wait a Flyer backchecked???? Did that ever get said last year?

it's a good thing i was watching with the kids last night, or half my house would be in the garbage right now.
- hammarby31

I miss going to the games with you

Wait a Flyer backchecked???? Did that ever get said last year?
- dragonoffrost

it wasn't just the backcheck either, it was the getting back, picking pocket and transitioning back the other way so quickly. I've hated the 4th line year after year. I'm just loving the speed and tenacity on this 4th line. I'm loving seeing Laughton find his place. Hate seeing first rounders not make it. And he does have skill so I do expect more goals to come for that line.

that is how I saw it and like YuenglingJagr said about turning in instead of out. I thought it was bad goaltending not that I am blaming him per se. just seemed to be back on his heals. Eliott has just been ok to me over his first 3 games. I come back with Neuvirth on Saturday if I am the coach.
- nastyflyergirl

Bill described Elliots first game as a workman like win. Took 5 Goals to win. Took overtime for the second win. I don't think he played well so much as "just well enough". Last night he helped dig a 3-0 hole that his team mates crawled out of only to give up 3 more. Not "well enough" . At some point your goalie has to pick you up.
I'm hoping a Nuevey performance like his work against the Caps in the playoffs. He usually plays them tough.

That would be a nice start to the season with this murders schedule to start. Speaking of which, 3 games in 4 nights then 1 in the next week. Who thinks this crap up.

I'm pretty sure there was a "franking brutal call" in there somewhere
- Scoob

I was pretty amazed to see him with the out burst. He usually hides his reactions better to keep the team calm. He let it RIP though. Made me think of Torts for a second.