Exactly
- Nucker101

Doesn't change the fact it would be cool to see it happen IMO.

If they shortcut the "process" this year by trading away picks in the top three round we can throw the whole process thing out the window. I sincerely hope that doesn't happen!
- LeftCoaster

I think lots of people think that way and that's why people jump on JB so quickly when he includes those late round picks in his trade. It's not the loss of the 4th rounder that upsets people, it's the fact that he so willing to do it makes people nervous that a 1st, 2nd, and/or 3rd pick will be traded. And in being nervous they overreact to those late pick trades.

There is evidence that the management group has settled down, agreed on a plan, and is now focusing on obtaining and developing prospects with speed.

Something happened leading into last season's TDL. Everyone got on the same page.
3 years too late but hey.
- Marwood

Ya I think it was just conflicting desires/egos with Aquilini trying to push towards something quicker to get them "competing" sooner.

Hopefully JB has another good TDL this year – even if they're around the playoff bubble teams, I hope he sells off a vet or two and promotes some of the younger depth players from below. Bringing up Archibald or whatever scoring winger is going at that time wouldn't be the worst.

I think lots of people think that way and that's why people jump on JB so quickly when he includes those late round picks in his trade. It's not the loss of the 4th rounder that upsets people, it's the fact that he so willing to do it makes people nervous that a 1st, 2nd, and/or 3rd pick will be traded. And in being nervous they overreact to those late pick trades.

There is evidence that the management group has settled down, agreed on a plan, and is now focusing on obtaining and developing prospects with speed.
- bloatedmosquito

I'll believe it when I see it, but I'm hopeful.

Something happened leading into last season's TDL. Everyone got on the same page.
3 years too late but hey.
- Marwood

I agree. I would have loved to know what was being 'discussed' behind closed doors between those three (JB, TL, and FA) at that time.

Very frustrating 3 years but as you and Lefty stated, hey better late then never. If they get it right it will be the most exciting canuck hockey since the run up to the 2010 season.

Need a few more good drafts but you're right in that they are building through the draft it would seem. Let's see what Benning does in terms of the TDL and picking up more draft picks this year.
- LeftCoaster

Bo is the only drafted player in the last 7 years taking a regular shift

This is (frank)ing gold.

Every team needs someone who can successfully distract the star player on the opposite team. Every team needs a player who can be intimidating and aggressive without being a goon.

He played one good game against the oilers and all of a sudden Dorsett is a commodity every NHL team must have. Holy poop that's so (frank)ing ridiculous. Dorsett is filler until something better comes along. Put the pompoms away.

But the most ridiculous statement in this entire poop post is the fact that you consider yourself "hockey ppl".
- bloatedmosquito

Dorset was a poor value hockey player last year. Now he had proven himself, ala Cole Cassells, that he's capable of shutting down McDavid. If anything Dorset is underpaid for what he brought inn Saturday night!

All kidding aside player's of Dorsets ilk are valuable as they can provide toughness while still betting able to play hockey. Is he overpaid by .250 or .5, arguably yes he is. But if that's what it took to have the smallest amount of toughness added to this weakest of teams them its a small price to pay.

And to think that you consider yourself hockey people....

Bo is the only drafted player in the last 7 years taking a regular shift
- VANTEL

And?

Bo is the only drafted player in the last 7 years taking a regular shift
- VANTEL

I know but Benning, as much as I despise that chump, has only been here three years. He's certainly gaffed on a few picks but it takes time for kids to properly develop into good players. Give it a couple more years.

And?
- Marwood

He said it seems are Canucks are turning it around by building through the draft

I'll believe it when I see it, but I'm hopeful.
- LeftCoaster

As you said, this season will be very telling. It won't take long before we see where this ship is sailing. I just hope if they have a good start management doesn't overreact thinking they have a legit shot at playoff contention and start trading for experience and playoff "depth".

He said it seems are Canucks are turning it around by building through the draft
- VANTEL

They are. It takes a few years before the drafted players see the NHL. Benning has only been here 3 or 4 years.

Bo is the only drafted player in the last 7 years taking a regular shift
- VANTEL

Drafting is barely 30-40% of the building process.

As you said, this season will be very telling. It won't take long before we see where this ship is sailing. I just hope if they have a good start management doesn't overreact thinking they have a legit shot at playoff contention and start trading for experience and playoff "depth".
- bloatedmosquito

It does make one nervous. Hopefully this team will suck in an entertaining fashion.

Ya I think it was just conflicting desires/egos with Aquilini trying to push towards something quicker to get them "competing" sooner.

Hopefully JB has another good TDL this year – even if they're around the playoff bubble teams, I hope he sells off a vet or two and promotes some of the younger depth players from below. Bringing up Archibald or whatever scoring winger is going at that time wouldn't be the worst.
- NewYorkNuck

I think that's what exactly happened.

But it's understandable that an owner wants a quick turnaround. I think quick was defined differently between JB and FA. FA was thinking 3 year quick and JB was thinking 5-6 year quick.

If you build through the draft then it's going to take 5-6 years to see the fruits of your labour.

Bo is the only drafted player in the last 7 years taking a regular shift
- VANTEL

Yeah Gillis!

Also.... Hutton?

Or to use your analogy, if a drafted player doesn't play for you but for another team instead, they become that teams asset and their draft pick.

Ipso facto

Granlund, baertchi, horvat, Hutton, gudbranson....

Looks a little better considering it takes time to develop.

He said it seems are Canucks are turning it around by building through the draft
- VANTEL

I said seemingly, which means it looks like theyve drafted well but it hasn't been determined yet. Give last year's draft class a few years to develop. Demko is still developing, as is Virtanen from three years ago. Juolevi is still developing from two years ago, it takes time.

Bo is the only drafted player in the last 7 years taking a regular shift
- VANTEL

Thank God for Gillis.

Drafting is barely 30-40% of the building process.
- LordHumungous

Drafting is 60% of the process when you consider most every teams best players were acquired through drafting. Building around a core is meaningless if you don't have a core to build around.

As you said, this season will be very telling. It won't take long before we see where this ship is sailing. I just hope if they have a good start management doesn't overreact thinking they have a legit shot at playoff contention and start trading for experience and playoff "depth".
- bloatedmosquito

If they start reaching for the playoffs this year I'm gonna riot!!!!

Drafting is barely 30-40% of the building process.
- LordHumungous

I forgot about Hutton so Bo is not the only one drafted playing a regular shift.

You can see Gaunce JV Boeser will be part of the future but the present is built on Bo Sutter Granlund MDZ EG Tanev Edler Markstrom Stecher Hutton

I forgot about Hutton so Bo is not the only one drafted playing a regular shift.

You can see Gaunce JV Boeser will be part of the future but the present is built on Bo Sutter Granlund MDZ EG Tanev Edler Markstrom Stecher Hutton
- VANTEL

Bolded are FA
Underlined are trades
italics are our draft picks
50 percent or draft picks not including the twins

Dorset was a poor value hockey player last year. Now he had proven himself, ala Cole Cassells, that he's capable of shutting down McDavid. Of anything Dorset is underpaid for what he brought inn Saturday night!

All kidding aside player's of Dorsets ilk are valuable as they can provide toughness while still betting able to play hockey. Is he overpaid by .250 or .5, arguably yes he is. But if that's what it took to have the smallest amount of toughness added to this weakest of teams them its a small price to pay.

And to think that you consider yourself hockey people....
- Pres.cup

Dorsett is just poor. He had a good game against an elite star. Is that all it takes? Seasons of delivering poop and then one good game he's now proven himself? I don't know, it's just so early and we've been through this before.

I can't wait to see what happens when the canucks play the oilers again. I got a feeling McDavid wants a mulligan. We'll see how Dorsett does against a determined McJesus.

I don't consider myself a hockey person. I like the business perspective and management of NHL teams but really know nothing about prospects and individual player stats and scouting reports. I'm not a poolie or fantasy guy. But I do consider myself a realist and can assess a situation clearly. It guides me well in real life and when I watch my favorite teams play.

Drafting is 60% of the process when you consider most every teams best players were acquired through drafting. Building around a core is meaningless if you don't have a core to build around.
- LeftCoaster

Respectfully I will disagree. Drafting is large yes but 60%…can't get there. Too many other intangibles at play. I get that you are a draftist and all and I respect your opinion obviously and I do agree that drafting a 'core' is key…but not to those numbers.

Dorsett will probably win the Selke based on game one alone