I think injuries will play a factor into that as well – I'm sure one of our forwards will be hurt in the next month.

The only way I could see them sending BB down is if everyone is healthy and they HAVE to send someone down and he isn't playing that well. Utica has a log jam they're dealing with as well, so having to rotate in another forward for them is going to be problematic as well.
- NewYorkNuck

Utica may have a log jam but they would make room for BB. It is a very good problem.

3pretty good teams from the last decade with their own draft picks on the current roster

Pittsburgh-9
Chicago-9
Anaheim-12

Good teams will have a roster of 40- 60 percent. Also, Lefty is right, these players play more than 60 percent of offensive production.
Building your core through the draft is a must.
- Reubenkincade

Yes PIT and CHI have had 9/23-25 which is still around that 40% mark. I think I've made the point fairly clear and I understand Lefty's argument that it equates to 'maybe' 60% of scoring but still championship teams are built in many different ways and not solely around the draft..yes core players are in place but there is just too many other intangibles needed for a championship club.

So let's look at the Ducks when they actually 'won' a cup:

Giguere
Jackman
O Donnell
Beauchemin
Pronger
S Neidermeyer
Dipenta
Huskins
Selanne
Kunitz
Parros
Penner
McDonald
Marchand
May
Pahlsson
Moen
Shannon
R Neidermeyer
S Thornton

all non-drafted by ANA.

Again I'm no math whiz but I'll leave you all with that to ponder.



I'm off to the casino to contribute to the Woodbine racetrack

This is exactly why I say drafting is the majority of the puzzle, more than 60%. One could say 70% of the Penguins weren't drafted by them, however, they don't win it without the players they acquired through the draft, the ones that lead them in scoring and played net.

Chicago same thing, they don't win without drafting Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabrook, Crawford etc.

Maklin
Crosby
Murray
Fleury
Guentzel
- LeftCoaster

I was just going through the list and your drafting percentages hold up in most cases. I think LA being the exception in the last 10 cup winners:

Drafted
Kopitar
Doughty
Quick

Traded for
Carter
Williams
Richards

Those 2012 and 2014 teams were well constructed.

Do LA and Boston. I think those teams buck the trend a little in regards to drafting.
- bloatedmosquito

Agree Boston bucked the trend, the key forwards, krejci Bergeron Lucic Marchand were all Boston picks though.
Los Angeles had about 12 of their own picks on roster

Do LA and Boston. I think those teams buck the trend a little in regards to drafting.
- bloatedmosquito

Bergeron, Lucic, Marchand, Krejci, Seguin all top scores when Boston won the Cup, all drafted by the Bruins. Horton and Ryder were the other two top six scorers that helped them win a Cup, and goaltending of course.

Los Angeles came at it slightly different, their best players were still drafted by them, Kopitar, Doughty, Quick, Brown, Voynov, King, Toffoli, Pearson, Martinez, Clifford, Nolan etc. were all drafted by the Kings but they used 5th overall Brayden Schenn and Wayne Simmonds to acquire Mike Richards and they used a 1st and Jack Johnson to acquire Carter.

Johnson was acquired from Carolina with a top five pick, can't remember his name off top of my head?

Yes PIT and CHI have had 9/23-25 which is still around that 40% mark. I think I've made the point fairly clear and I understand Lefty's argument that it equates to 'maybe' 60% of scoring but still championship teams are built in many different ways and not solely around the draft..yes core players are in place but there is just too many other intangibles needed for a championship club.

So let's look at the Ducks when they actually 'won' a cup:

Giguere
Jackman
O Donnell
Beauchemin
Pronger
S Neidermeyer
Dipenta
Huskins
Selanne
Kunitz
Parros
Penner
McDonald
Marchand
May
Pahlsson
Moen
Shannon
R Neidermeyer
S Thornton

all non-drafted by ANA.

Again I'm no math whiz but I'll leave you all with that to ponder.



I'm off to the casino to contribute to the Woodbine racetrack
- LordHumungous

I learnt about the importance of the draft when I was 5, Buffalo got Gilbert Perrault and we got Dale Tallon. It has been a rough go ever since.

Utica may have a log jam but they would make room for BB. It is a very good problem.
- VANTEL

Of course, good problem to have, but hopefully it wouldn't come at the expense of someone else they're trying to develop or build back up.

Dorsett is just poor. He had a good game against an elite star. Is that all it takes? Seasons of delivering poop and then one good game he's now proven himself? I don't know, it's just so early and we've been through this before.

I can't wait to see what happens when the canucks play the oilers again. I got a feeling McDavid wants a mulligan. We'll see how Dorsett does against a determined McJesus.

I don't consider myself a hockey person. I like the business perspective and management of NHL teams but really know nothing about prospects and individual player stats and scouting reports. I'm not a poolie or fantasy guy. But I do consider myself a realist and can assess a situation clearly. It guides me well in real life and when I watch my favorite teams play.
- bloatedmosquito

Dorset is paid too much. After that, what's the complaint really? He's a good 4rth liner. Pages of stink over a 4rth liner doing 4rth line stuff

I know.

Drama queens don't always focus on the negative.
- bloatedmosquito

Hmmm... ranting about a 4rth liner. Lets talk about Drama Queens.

I learnt about the importance of the draft when I was 5, Buffalo got Gilbert Perrault and we got Dale Tallon. It has been a rough go ever since.
- Reubenkincade

Pretty much, add luck and odds, and our track record hasn't been great in that regard.

I've become resigned to the fact it will probably never occur.

Dorset is paid too much. After that, what's the complaint really? He's a good 4rth liner. Pages of stink over a 4rth liner doing 4rth line stuff

- boonerbuck

Missed the point again Booner. Getting to be a habit with you.

Donna stated that every NHL team needs Dorsett on their team. No stink from me, just a dose of reality to the glee-mongers. Dorsett is nothing more than a fringe NHLer who had a great game.

But some of you will see this as the second coming of Frank Selke.

Missed the point again Booner. Getting to be a habit with you.

Donna stated that every NHL team needs Dorsett on their team. No stink from me, just a dose of reality to the glee-mongers. Dorsett is nothing more than a fringe NHLer who had a great game.

But some of you will see this as the second coming of Frank Selke.
- bloatedmosquito

I think he said a Dorsett – namely an agitator/pest. Not necessarily Dorsett himself.

My hunch is JV and BB will sub in and out for the next month and when Gaunce comes back one will be sent down (my guess BB) .

Next year we will lose Vanek Sedins and maybe Burmi and or Sven so saving assets might be part of the reasoning
- VANTEL

I doubt JV and BB get sent down in favour of Gaunce - as they have far higher upside and worth to the team than he has. I hold Gaunce in the same light as Megna, Chaput - AHL lifers that fill injury holes. Last year having those guys playing 55+ games was a true testamount of just how desperately horrible the depth truly was.

I think he said a Dorsett – namely an agitator/pest. Not necessarily Dorsett himself.
- NewYorkNuck

But Dorsett doesn't usually contribute that much on a regular basis. Of course teams need an agitator/pest we all know that. That's no revelation.

Using Dorsett as an example of that type of player is funny. He had one outstanding game and now he's a cornerstone for every NHL team. There are far better players filling Dorsett's role around the league that are a better example than actually using Dorsett as the example.

I doubt JV and BB get sent down in favour of Gaunce - as they have far higher upside and worth to the team than he has. I hold Gaunce in the same light as Megna, Chaput - AHL lifers that fill injury holes. Last year having those guys playing 55+ games was a true testamount of just how desperately horrible the depth truly was.
- Brooks_Light

Asset management. Like I said 3-5 open spots next year on forwards .Prospects will get their turn.

Lets see how well Gaunce does in year two before we give him away for free

But Dorsett doesn't usually contribute that much on a regular basis. Of course teams need an agitator/pest we all know that. That's no revelation.

Using Dorsett as an example of that type of player is funny. He had one outstanding game and now he's a cornerstone for every NHL team. There are far better players filling Dorsett's role around the league that are a better example than actually using Dorsett as the example.
- bloatedmosquito

Asset management. Like I said 3-5 open spots next year on forwards .Prospects will get their turn.

Lets see how well Gaunce does in year two before we give him away for free
- VANTEL

See how they pan out in Utica though. Not so great so far. Only Goldy and Boucher have done much.

I could see Gaunce being apart of the shutdown line with Dorsett and Sutter. Granlund moved up the line up to a more scoring role.

But Dorsett doesn't usually contribute that much on a regular basis. Of course teams need an agitator/pest we all know that. That's no revelation.

Using Dorsett as an example of that type of player is funny. He had one outstanding game and now he's a cornerstone for every NHL team. There are far better players filling Dorsett's role around the league that are a better example than actually using Dorsett as the example.
- bloatedmosquito

Ya, one game isn't going to make him. Maybe he was miscast in the past as more of a scrapper, and maybe in TG's system he'll become a bit more useful than he has been. We'll see by the TDL if he can continue on some level that shutdown/PK/pest play. If he can, definitely worth trading to a playoff team for a pick.

And definitely agreed there are better players filling that role, but for a playoff team having a couple of them can be quite useful.

- manvanfan

Name one other time Dorsett's game stood out in his time as a canuck. He's play 165 games for the canucks. For a player of his quality, it should be easy providing other examples of excellence.

See how they pan out in Utica though. Not so great so far. Only Goldy and Boucher have done much.

I could see Gaunce being apart of the shutdown line with Dorsett and Sutter. Granlund moved up the line up to a more scoring role.
- manvanfan

D Aoust and Labate also doing okay. It is two games in.

Goldobin and BB may be the big names this year but I am sure people will be talking Gaudette at the end of his year. Next year will be a big year for Comets this year is a let's just get through the year

Ya, one game isn't going to make him. Maybe he was miscast in the past as more of a scrapper, and maybe in TG's system he'll become a bit more useful than he has been. We'll see by the TDL if he can continue on some level that shutdown/PK/pest play. If he can, definitely worth trading to a playoff team for a pick.

And definitely agreed there are better players filling that role, but for a playoff team having a couple of them can be quite useful.
- NewYorkNuck

The above is a way more realistic comment about DD's game than Donna's.

"It was encouraging to see Dorsett fill a niche and we all hope he continues his strong play under TG."

Nobody would call out or argue with that statement.

But to suggest that every team in the NHL needs a Dorsett is still ridiculous. Anyway, most teams already have a Dorsett, but they call them SCRAPS.

Missed the point again Booner. Getting to be a habit with you.

Donna stated that every NHL team needs Dorsett on their team. No stink from me, just a dose of reality to the glee-mongers. Dorsett is nothing more than a fringe NHLer who had a great game.

But some of you will see this as the second coming of Frank Selke.
- bloatedmosquito

Me? He's a 4rth liner who got some compliments for his game. You found someone who said every team needs a 4rth liner like him.... and you then build it up.

"He had one outstanding game and now he's a cornerstone for every NHL team"

"He played one good game against the oilers and all of a sudden Dorsett is a commodity every NHL team must have. Holy poop that's so (frank)ing ridiculous"

"second coming of Frank Selke"

Like I said, let's talk about Drama Queens

The above is a way more realistic comment about DD's game than Donna's.

"It was encouraging to see Dorsett fill a niche and we all hope he continues his strong play under TG."

Nobody would call out or argue with that statement.

But to suggest that every team in the NHL needs a Dorsett is still ridiculous. Anyway, most teams already have a Dorsett, but they call them SCRAPS.
- bloatedmosquito

Most teams have an instigator Dorsett seems to be Canucks best. Instigators go a long way and add value. Leafs have Kadri ,Dallas had Ott, Ott had Neall .

You can laugh at Dorsett but he did shut down Crosby as his team went to the next round.

Dorsett will give you everything every shift. Nothing wrong with him at all.

Name one other time Dorsett's game stood out in his time as a canuck. He's play 165 games for the canucks. For a player of his quality, it should be easy providing other examples of excellence.
- bloatedmosquito

You forget two years ago people were panicking how important it was that JB sign DD to an extension contract.