I forgot about Hutton so Bo is not the only one drafted playing a regular shift.

You can see Gaunce JV Boeser will be part of the future but the present is built on Bo Sutter Granlund MDZ EG Tanev Edler Markstrom Stecher Hutton
- VANTEL

I think the future core will consist of Bo, JV, BB, EP, and OJ. All our first round picks from the last five drafts. Two centres, two wings, and a defenseman.

I likey!

Dorsett will probably win the Selke based on game one alone
- LeftCoaster

I know.

Drama queens don't always focus on the negative.

Respectfully I will disagree. Drafting is large yes but 60%…can't get there. Too many other intangibles at play. I get that you are a draftist and all and I respect your opinion obviously and I do agree that drafting a 'core' is key…but not to those numbers.
- LordHumungous

We'll just agree to disagree....because I like you and I'm about to cook breakfast for the family. I'm just of the opinion your core group is obviously the most important group, 90% of the time they're acquired by drafting.

If you break a team of 23 players down sure only around five or six of them are the core, around 30%, but that in my mind isn't representative of the importance of the draft in terms of a percentage. Those five or six guys represent, to me, the most important 60% of your team.

Just so you understand where my numbers are coming from.

I think the future core will consist of Bo, JV, BB, EP, and OJ. All our first round picks from the last five drafts. Two centres, two wings, and a defenseman.

I likey!
- bloatedmosquito

Maybe. I like what I am seeing from Gaudette , Gaunce could have a turn around year .

I am pretty certain Canucks will have a heavy loaded draft team . I was just pointing out to Lefty today's team is not draft loaded.

Dorsett will probably win the Selke based on game one alone
- LeftCoaster

What if McDavid misses out on both the Rocket and Ross trophies by a single point, can’t we tie that directly to game #2 and suggest Dorsett is the most complete defensive forward in the league?

Dorsett is just poor. He had a good game against an elite star. Is that all it takes? Seasons of delivering poop and then one good game he's now proven himself? I don't know, it's just so early and we've been through this before.

I can't wait to see what happens when the canucks play the oilers again. I got a feeling McDavid wants a mulligan. We'll see how Dorsett does against a determined McJesus.

I don't consider myself a hockey person. I live the business perspective and management of NHL teams but really know nothing about prospects and individual player stats and scouting reports. I'm not a poolie or fantasy guy. But I do consider myself a realist and can assess a situation clearly. It guides me well in real life and when I watch my favorite teams play.
- bloatedmosquito

I never saw you as a fancy stats guy.
If Dorset was making 750m would you like him?
That's 0.75 million for the non accountant types. Lol ..

But seriously he's a decent 4th liner, better then the Sestito or the Chaputs of the world. Is he paid like a borderline 3rd liner, yes. Do i care, no. He's overpaid by half a million, not my money and while yes we could take on a poopy contact with that money, in my opinion, it's better to have a player who can play and agitate, who is willing to sacrifice his face for the kids, then to have a dead contract or a Megna in the lineup.

Maybe. I like what I am seeing from Gaudette , Gaunce could have a turn around year .

I am pretty certain Canucks will have a heavy loaded draft team . I was just pointing out to Lefty today's team is not draft loaded.
- VANTEL

Today's team is over 50% draft oriented.
If you also consider trading players we've drafted for other players then that number grows.
You listed 8 players, 3 we traded for, 1 we signed as a ufa, the other 4 we drafted, thats 50 percent.

Today's team is over 50% draft oriented.
If you also consider trading players we've drafted for other players then that number grows.
You listed 8 players, 3 we traded for, 1 we signed as a ufa, the other 4 we drafted, thats 50 percent.
- Pres.cup

50% metric or 50% imperial?

Today's team is over 50% draft oriented.
If you also consider trading players we've drafted for other players then that number grows.
You listed 8 players, 3 we traded for, 1 we signed as a ufa, the other 4 we drafted, thats 50 percent.
- Pres.cup

I don't so that is why our numbers don't match up. A trade is a trade , a drafted player is a drafted player.

It is not a big deal. Canucks future with draft picks looks very decent. There will be many surprises over the years of who turns out and who doesn't

Respectfully I will disagree. Drafting is large yes but 60%…can't get there. Too many other intangibles at play. I get that you are a draftist and all and I respect your opinion obviously and I do agree that drafting a 'core' is key…but not to those numbers.
- LordHumungous

I just can't see Pittsburgh, Chicago, LA, or even Boston or Detroit winning their Stanley Cups without their drafted stars. Yes, players those teams traded for contributed greatly to cup wins (Thomas, Justin Williams, etc) but it was their core drafted players (Crosby, Malkin, Keith, Toews, Kane, Quick, etc) that gave then a shot at those cups.

We'll just agree to disagree....because I like you and I'm about to cook breakfast for the family. I'm just of the opinion your core group is obviously the most important group, 90% of the time they're acquired by drafting.

If you break a team of 23 players down sure only around five or six of them are the core, around 30%, but that in my mind isn't representative of the importance of the draft in terms of a percentage. Those five or six guys represent, to me, the most important 60% of your team.

Just so you understand where my numbers are coming from.
- LeftCoaster

Fair enough…and just that you understand where my numbers are coming from here is a breakdown of the Pens cup champ lineup from players from the past two seasons that took a regular shift:

Non Penguins drafted players:

Sheary
Schultz
Hornqvist
Bonino
Cullen
Kunitz
Cole
Hagelin
Daley
Dumoulin
Kessel
Fehr
Streit
Hainsey
Olesky

Honorable mention:
Ruhwedel
Rowney
Gaunce

I'm no math whiz but that's over 15 players out of a 22-25 man roster not drafted by PIT…

I just can't see Pittsburgh, Chicago, LA, or even Boston or Detroit winning their Stanley Cups without their drafted stars. Yes, players those teams traded for contributed greatly to cup wins (Thomas, Justin Williams, etc) but it was their core drafted players (Crosby, Malkin, Keith, Toews, Kane, Quick, etc) that gave then a shot at those cups.
- bloatedmosquito

Oh I agree they don't win cups without drafting a core…just the percentage isn't as high as some may think...

Maybe. I like what I am seeing from Gaudette , Gaunce could have a turn around year .

I am pretty certain Canucks will have a heavy loaded draft team . I was just pointing out to Lefty today's team is not draft loaded.
- VANTEL

I highly doubt that - lower your expectations and prepare to be disappointed.

What if McDavid misses out on both the Rocket and Ross trophies by a single point, can’t we tie that directly to game #2 and suggest Dorsett is the most complete defensive forward in the league?
- 1970vintage

Sounds completely plausible to me

I highly doubt that - lower your expectations and prepare to be disappointed.
- Brooks_Light

Gaunce is very good defensively, he also generates chances. He just needs to score . otherwise he is a good bottom 6 guy.

I never saw you as a fancy stats guy.
If Dorset was making 750m would you like him?
That's 0.75 million for the non accountant types. Lol ..

But seriously he's a decent 4th liner, better then the Sestito or the Chaputs of the world. Is he paid like a borderline 3rd liner, yes. Do i care, no. He's overpaid by half a million, not my money and while yes we could take on a poopy contact with that money, in my opinion, it's better to have a player who can play and agitate, who is willing to sacrifice his face for the kids, then to have a dead contract or a Megna in the lineup.
- Pres.cup

I agree. Dorsett does a adequate job but I got a feeling there are better options out there that might be able to give you a little bit more than Dorsett can on a regular basis (i.e. someone who doesn't have to sacrifice their face but rather someone to enacts the sacrifice on other faces, etc, etc).

3pretty good teams from the last decade with their own draft picks on the current roster

Pittsburgh-9
Chicago-9
Anaheim-12

Good teams will have a roster of 40- 60 percent. Also, Lefty is right, these players play more than 60 percent of offensive production.
Building your core through the draft is a must.

I agree. Dorsett does a adequate job but I got a feeling there are better options out there that might be able to give you a little bit more than Dorsett can on a regular basis (i.e. someone who doesn't have to sacrifice their face but rather someone to enacts the sacrifice on other faces, etc, etc).
- bloatedmosquito

Kadri

Fair enough…and just that you understand where my numbers are coming from here is a breakdown of the Pens cup champ lineup from players from the past two seasons that took a regular shift:

Non Penguins drafted players:

Sheary
Schultz
Hornqvist
Bonino
Cullen
Kunitz
Cole
Hagelin
Daley
Dumoulin
Kessel
Fehr
Streit
Hainsey
Olesky

Honorable mention:
Ruhwedel
Rowney
Gaunce

I'm no math whiz but that's over 15 players out of a 22-25 man roster not drafted by PIT…


- LordHumungous

Yup....as I said, I don't think we view it the same way, a bunch of players out of a 23 man roster do not represent a percentage of the importance of drafting. It's not a lateral equation.

Gaunce is very good defensively, he also generates chances. He just needs to score . otherwise he is a good bottom 6 guy.
- VANTEL

I don't honestly see how he even gets into the lineup, unless for injuries of course. Even then, I think he's behind, Archibald, Rodin, Goldy on the depth chart. Otherwise I'd be ecstatic to have him in Utica forever.

Gaunce is very good defensively, he also generates chances. He just needs to score . otherwise he is a good bottom 6 guy.
- VANTEL

TBH I think 'good bottom 6 guys' are a dime a dozen in the NHL. But I do have my fingers crossed for Gaunce.

I had to read it twice when canuck management mentioned Boeser's lack of foot speed kept him out of the season opener.

If Boeser doesn't have NHL foot speed yet, what does that say about Gaunce who is known to be an average skater (based on scouting reports). Gaunce may be a long shot.

3pretty good teams from the last decade with their own draft picks on the current roster

Pittsburgh-9
Chicago-9
Anaheim-12

Good teams will have a roster of 40- 60 percent. Also, Lefty is right, these players play more than 60 percent of offensive production.
Building your core through the draft is a must.
- Reubenkincade

Do LA and Boston. I think those teams buck the trend a little in regards to drafting.

I just can't see Pittsburgh, Chicago, LA, or even Boston or Detroit winning their Stanley Cups without their drafted stars. Yes, players those teams traded for contributed greatly to cup wins (Thomas, Justin Williams, etc) but it was their core drafted players (Crosby, Malkin, Keith, Toews, Kane, Quick, etc) that gave then a shot at those cups.
- bloatedmosquito

This is exactly why I say drafting is the majority of the puzzle, more than 60%. One could say 70% of the Penguins weren't drafted by them, however, they don't win it without the players they acquired through the draft, the ones that lead them in scoring and played net.

Chicago same thing, they don't win without drafting Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabrook, Crawford etc.

Maklin
Crosby
Murray
Fleury
Guentzel

I don't honestly see how he even gets into the lineup, unless for injuries of course. Even then, I think he's behind, Archibald, Rodin, Goldy on the depth chart. Otherwise I'd be ecstatic to have him in Utica forever.
- Brooks_Light

My hunch is JV and BB will sub in and out for the next month and when Gaunce comes back one will be sent down (my guess BB) .

Next year we will lose Vanek Sedins and maybe Burmi and or Sven so saving assets might be part of the reasoning

My hunch is JV and BB will sub in and out for the next month and when Gaunce comes back one will be sent down (my guess BB) .

Next year we will lose Vanek Sedins and maybe Burmi and or Sven so saving assets might be part of the reasoning
- VANTEL

I think injuries will play a factor into that as well – I'm sure one of our forwards will be hurt in the next month.

The only way I could see them sending BB down is if everyone is healthy and they HAVE to send someone down and he isn't playing that well. Utica has a log jam they're dealing with as well, so having to rotate in another forward for them is going to be problematic as well.