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Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 6 @ 7:55 PM ET
Chill?
What r u on about now?

- Nighthawk


im pissed brah
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Oct 6 @ 7:56 PM ET
Trochek.. dropped the nugget... he's gonna get stuck as a third line checking center
- Pres.cup

Just got punched by Sergachev. Do you get points for that?
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Oct 6 @ 7:58 PM ET
You're not gonna get an under 30 UFA of that level at the center position at a fair deal. Either overpay and regret it later or draft and develop your own.
- Nucker101


What's the difference between another team's UFA or your own UFA....they are going to get paid. Developing your own talent doesn't avoid their pay day.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Oct 6 @ 8:00 PM ET
How many more years does Luongo have on his contract

That was a weak goal.

- manvanfan


20-21
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 6 @ 8:01 PM ET
What's the difference between another team's UFA or your own UFA....they are going to get paid. Developing your own talent doesn't avoid their pay day.
- Nuck4U


Dude....


1) You can sign them long term when they're RFA's

2) Hometown discounts are a thing. Canucks got fantastic value out of Kesler and Henrik(before his decline).


Look at teams who win cups, how many of them have built cores through UFA? It's usually a core built through drafting and/or smart trades and then adding some supplementary pieces through UFA.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Oct 6 @ 8:03 PM ET
20-21
- Pres.cup



Retained if he retires?
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Oct 6 @ 8:03 PM ET
Just got punched by Sergachev. Do you get points for that?
- manvanfan


Lol.... hope for a hit... need all the help i can....i was winning until last night, I've got 1c and 2w in a 10 goal blowout and i only got a goal and an assist out of it....
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Oct 6 @ 8:05 PM ET


Retained if he retires?

- manvanfan


Lots retained... it's been posted but if he retires 2 years early its like a 4.2 million cap hit or some such poop....
If he retires 1 year early its an 8 million cap hit.

Edit

Contract until 2022
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Oct 6 @ 8:07 PM ET
Lots retained... it's been posted but if he retires 2 years early its like a 3 million cap hit or some such poop....
- Pres.cup

Yeah, I ended up finding one that had the chart. It's 8 million and change for the reminder of the years of his contract divided.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Oct 6 @ 8:08 PM ET
Lol.... hope for a hit... need all the help i can....i was winning until last night, I've got 1c and 2w in a 10 goal blowout and i only got a goal and an assist out of it....
- Pres.cup

What you didn't pick Hartman? I wanted him instead of Shinkaruk back in 2013.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Oct 6 @ 8:08 PM ET
Yeah, I ended up finding one that had the chart. It's 8 million and change for the reminder of the years of his contract divided.
- manvanfan


He needs to develop an allergy or something
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Oct 6 @ 8:09 PM ET
He needs to develop an allergy or something
- Pres.cup

If he goes blind does that count? Best case scenario is that he goes on LTIR for the rest of his career.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Oct 6 @ 8:10 PM ET
Dude....


1) You can sign them long term when they're RFA's

2) Hometown discounts are a thing. Canucks got fantastic value out of Kesler and Henrik(before his decline).


Look at teams who win cups, how many of them have built cores through UFA? It's usually a core built through drafting and/or smart trades and then adding some supplementary pieces through UFA.

- Nucker101


Have you noticed the RFA deals $10M per year Eichel or $6M per year Ehlers to name a few. Your logic makes no sense as to not getting paid if developing your own player.

Hometown discounts are not the norm but the exception. Only happens when the team convinces players they are about to win a Cup which they often don't. See Bolts and Stamkos for example. Did Oilers get discount on Draistl.

Going off onto building cores tangent is a more complicated issue. High talent young players are locked up and not available often to be gained as free agents.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Oct 6 @ 8:12 PM ET
What you didn't pick Hartman? I wanted him instead of Shinkaruk back in 2013.
- manvanfan


Had only dropped the nugget... thinking of dropping sharp as well. If i do then i will pick him up...

Actually
I think i will pick up Hartman as well.... just to (frank) over vantel
Being in last place does have a perk
Whos 1986?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 6 @ 8:13 PM ET
Have you noticed the RFA deals $10M per year Eichel or $6M per year Ehlers to name a few. Your logic makes no sense as to not getting paid if developing your own player.

Hometown discounts are not the norm but the exception. Only happens when the team convinces players they are about to win a Cup which they often don't. See Bolts and Stamkos for example. Did Oilers get discount on Draistl.

Going off onto building cores tangent is a more complicated issue. High talent young players are locked up and not available often to be gained as free agents.

- Nuck4U



Agreed. You're right. My bad, didn't think that one through.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Oct 6 @ 8:15 PM ET
Agreed. You're right. My bad, didn't think that one through.
- Nucker101


Unless you sign them before they breakout... like Nashville did with Josi and the canucks did with sbisa
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Oct 6 @ 8:15 PM ET
Agreed. You're right. My bad, didn't think that one through.
- Nucker101


you are honest in your discussions.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Oct 6 @ 8:16 PM ET
If he goes blind does that count? Best case scenario is that he goes on LTIR for the rest of his career.
- manvanfan


Horton, Pronger, Lupul etc etc etc
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Oct 6 @ 8:20 PM ET
Dude....


1) You can sign them long term when they're RFA's

2) Hometown discounts are a thing. Canucks got fantastic value out of Kesler and Henrik(before his decline).


Look at teams who win cups, how many of them have built cores through UFA? It's usually a core built through drafting and/or smart trades and then adding some supplementary pieces through UFA.

- Nucker101



Other than LAK the Hawks & Pens got a 1oa. Never happened here yet. We r drafting & trades r middlin types these days with all the RFA's getting locked up longterm. UFA's r drying up & getting weaker every year.

Hoping or believing a Crosby or McDavid or Matthews comes along is long odds.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Oct 6 @ 8:20 PM ET
Horton, Pronger, Lupul etc etc etc
- Nighthawk


Lol... they all have one thing in common.

Not going to (frank) over the canucks.

#conspiracy
#bettmanhatesus
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Oct 6 @ 8:25 PM ET
Lol... they all have one thing in common.

Not going to (frank) over the canucks.

#conspiracy
#bettmanhatesus

- Pres.cup



We just put a different twist on it...

We bury players like LE & Sutter who can actually play while we rebuild. At least their is a possible upside to it lol. When we r ready to compete they will either be support or gone so what does it matter?😜
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Oct 6 @ 8:26 PM ET
We just put a different twist on it...

We bury players like LE & Sutter who can actually play while we rebuild. At least their is a possible upside to it lol. When we r ready to compete they will either be support or gone so what does it matter?😜

- Nighthawk

manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Oct 6 @ 8:31 PM ET
Had only dropped the nugget... thinking of dropping sharp as well. If i do then i will pick him up...

Actually
I think i will pick up Hartman as well.... just to (frank) over vantel
Being in last place does have a perk
Whos 1986?

- Pres.cup

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A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Oct 6 @ 8:31 PM ET
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Oct 6 @ 8:32 PM ET
Horton, Pronger, Lupul etc etc etc
- Nighthawk

Yup. Can only hope. It's not as if his salary is that much to have him sit at home.
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