rask has 38 shutouts in 395 games, almost 1 in 10

lehner has 5 shutouts in 166 games


almost 1 in 33 games
- homiedclown

Come on. Really? That's a bit silly to even look at. The state of the team when Rask took over in Boston was VERY different from the state of the team Lehner came into. And you know that the team plays a large role in goalies getting shutouts as well as the goalies play.

You're better than that.

A lot of that was when Chara was really good. I don't get why you're cherry picking stats to make Lehner look bad while not giving him credit for the easiest stat to check
- jcragcrumple

based on save% alone, sabres should have kept nilsson and let lehner walk


I mean if that is your model for a better goalie

Come on. Really? That's a bit silly to even look at. The state of the team when Rask took over in Boston was VERY different from the state of the team Lehner came into. And you know that the team plays a large role in goalies getting shutouts as well as the goalies play.

You're better than that.
- HonkFortheGoose

elite goalies find ways to steal games


hasek got a lot of shut outs on bad sabres teams


and the bruins D the last 2 years has been very very blah

rask had 8 shutouts last year alone, and the d was the biggest weakness on the bruins roster last season

based on save% alone, sabres should have kept nilsson and let lehner walk


I mean if that is your model for a better goalie
- homiedclown

Even Tim freaking Murray wasn't totally sold on him

elite goalies find ways to steal games


hasek got a lot of shut outs on bad sabres teams


and the bruins D the last 2 years has been very very blah

rask had 8 shutouts last year alone, and the d was the biggest weakness on the bruins roster last season
- homiedclown

So you're saying Rask is elite?

Because honestly, I don't need Lehner to be elite. I just need him to be above average.

I stand by my earlier comment. Show 100 hockey people their stats from last year without names and lot would pick Lehner
- jcragcrumple

so nilsson should be our starter


everyone looks at paper now a days


use your eyes


did you see lehner break down the last month of the season?

his last 18 starts

8 sub .900 save %
7 times allowed 4 or more goals

based on save% alone, sabres should have kept nilsson and let lehner walk


I mean if that is your model for a better goalie
- homiedclown

I think you're being a little disingenuous. The sample size doesn't even make that comparable

So you're saying Rask is elite?

Because honestly, I don't need Lehner to be elite. I just need him to be above average.
- HonkFortheGoose

rask is a top 10 goalie in the nhl right now

lehner is not

so nilsson should be our starter


everyone looks at paper now a days


use your eyes


did you see lehner break down the last month of the season?

his last 18 starts

8 sub .900 save %
7 times allowed 4 or more goals
- homiedclown

The whole team looked like garbage at that point. They all were clearly frustrated. There was a lot of talk of disgruntled players.

I think you're being a little disingenuous. The sample size doesn't even make that comparable
- jcragcrumple

but you said save % is everything


which is it

The whole team looked like garbage at that point. They all were clearly frustrated. There was a lot of talk of disgruntled players.
- HonkFortheGoose

agreed, and the goalie was just average during that stretch



the conversation stated, when lehner was claimed better than rask


that's like saying miller was better than dom

but you said save % is everything


which is it
- homiedclown

Save percentage with a goalie with at LEAST 30 starts. You and i both know that

rask is a top 10 goalie in the nhl right now

lehner is not
- homiedclown

That wasn't what I asked. You said "elite goalies find ways to steal games"

So, I'll ask again, do you think Rask is elite?

Because if you don't, I'm not sure why you brought that up in the first place...

Even Tim freaking Murray wasn't totally sold on him
- Sabresfan-365

I got nothing, that I am going to post in a public place on this topic

but you are on to something

serious bummer...one of my rock n roll heroes...

need to repost that George Harrison tribute video...petty and lynne were awesome, but that guitar solo by prince?

sizzling!!!!
- Michael Pachla

Prince is one of the most under rated guitar players in history.

I have them making it https://youtu.be/z-W4BVG-UTY

That wasn't what I asked. You said "elite goalies find ways to steal games"

So, I'll ask again, do you think Rask is elite?

Because if you don't, I'm not sure why you brought that up in the first place...
- HonkFortheGoose

actually you started this, saying bruins got rask which is why they get respect


then we got


Which is garbage because Lehner outperformed him last year.


- jcragcrumple


is rask elite, he was

I honestly think right now only price is elite


but if someone, not you, bases a goalie performance on save % alone, then craig anderson and scott darling are all stars, which they are not



I would rather have rask right now for a must win game than lehner

and so would 97 of 100 people who are not fans of the sabres

Prince is one of the most under rated guitar players in history.
- Jeffmt

agreed

most under rated guitar players

prince
stills
knopfler
garcia


most over rated
clapton
eddie

actually you started this, saying bruins got rask which is why they get respect


then we got


Which is garbage because Lehner outperformed him last year.


- jcragcrumple


is rask elite, he was

I honestly think right now only price is elite


but if someone, not you, bases a goalie performance on save % alone, then craig anderson and scott darling are all stars, which they are not



I would rather have rask right now for a must win game than lehner

and so would 97 of 100 people who are not fans of the sabres
- homiedclown

I never said he was elite though. Has he been a good goalie? Yes. One of the best in the league for several years. And like I said, I don't necessarily need a goalie that's "the best." Just need someone who's above average, IMO.

I also never once said that Lehner is better than him. So don't tell me "I started it." I simply gave the reason why Boston gets more respect at this point. Rask is a big part of it. I'd say Bergeron is the other.

I'm optimistic about parts of Lehner's game, and worried about others

I never said he was elite though. Has he been a good goalie? Yes. One of the best in the league for several years. And like I said, I don't necessarily need a goalie that's "the best." Just need someone who's above average, IMO.

I also never once said that Lehner is better than him. So don't tell me "I started it." I simply gave the reason why Boston gets more respect at this point. Rask is a big part of it. I'd say Bergeron is the other.
- HonkFortheGoose

Lehner played better than Rask last year

O'Reilly played better than Bergeron last year

I would take O'Reilly RIGHT NOW over Bergeron

Lehner vs Rask is a toss up

I also never once said that Lehner is better than him. So don't tell me "I started it." .
- HonkFortheGoose

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...p?thread_id=147193&page=1

Boston has Rask which is why they get more respect.
- HonkFortheGoose

Which is garbage because Lehner outperformed him last year.


- jcragcrumple



if you didn't bring up rask, this pissing contest never got started

Lehner played better than Rask last year

O'Reilly played better than Bergeron last year

I would take O'Reilly RIGHT NOW over Bergeron

Lehner vs Rask is a toss up
- jcragcrumple

Jack Eichel is elite.

Lehner played better than Rask last year

O'Reilly played better than Bergeron last year

I would take O'Reilly RIGHT NOW over Bergeron

Lehner vs Rask is a toss up
- jcragcrumple

Ok this is nuts