this is why at your core, you're really a drama queen.

the fact that he's the best player on a bad team might make him have some power in contract negotiations but if you think that the "management team would get eaten alive," you're acting like a typical fan of this team.

words and emotion over nothing.

if he is overplaying his hand and demanding too much, let him sit. i, however, doubt this is the case. the contract will get worked out (bridge or long term) and this will be more evidence of either your true emotional nature or your need to dump on the benning regime even before the actions happen.
- RealityChecker

Bo has a bit of leverage because he was the stats leader on a BAD team, but he barely cracked top 100 players in the league for point totals. Management knows this.

this is why at your core, you're really a drama queen.

the fact that he's the best player on a bad team might make him have some power in contract negotiations but if you think that the "management team would get eaten alive," you're acting like a typical fan of this team.

words and emotion over nothing.

if he is overplaying his hand and demanding too much, let him sit. i, however, doubt this is the case. the contract will get worked out (bridge or long term) and this will be more evidence of either your true emotional nature or your need to dump on the benning regime even before the actions happen.
- RealityChecker

Not sure how that makes me a drama queen, I would actually be the one *gasp* defending Benning/Linden if they had the balls to not cave in and be okay with Bo sitting out camp and maybe even some regular season games in order to get a good value long term deal done.

I was suggesting that the not so in tune local media and casual fans would be the ones losing their minds over it.

Interesting

I kind of assumed the opposite since GM's/agents usually value RFA years less. I've heard/read when they negotiate long term deals with RFA's, they actually negotiate the RFA and UFA years separately and then just combine it into one big contract.

Buying UFA years is always more expensive for the team from what I've read/heard.

i'd assume a 2-3 year bridge deal would be at around 4.2M-4.7M and long term would be at around 6M-6.5M give or take a few hundred thousands.
- Nucker101

Arviddson out produced Horvat, and was signed to 7 years at 4.25 million per. Its contracts like these that are making this so hard for Horvats camp and Canucks to come to an agreement.

this is why at your core, you're really a drama queen.

the fact that he's the best player on a bad team might make him have some power in contract negotiations but if you think that the "management team would get eaten alive," you're acting like a typical fan of this team.

words and emotion over nothing.

if he is overplaying his hand and demanding too much, let him sit. i, however, doubt this is the case. the contract will get worked out (bridge or long term) and this will be more evidence of either your true emotional nature or your need to dump on the benning regime even before the actions happen.
- RealityChecker

I agree...they have to play hardball to an extent, if they aren't being resonable when negotiating a long term contract then there is nothing wrong with a bridge deal. Who know's, we may draft a 1C in June and Horvat will be pushed down the depth chart.

Bo has a bit of leverage because he was the stats leader on a BAD team, but he barely cracked top 100 players in the league for point totals. Management knows this.
- Codes1087

I think a bridge deal is great advantage for Bo, look at the market now. You got guys like Johansen who is getting paid 500k less than Stamkos. This market is inflated and will only get higher.

Bo has a bit of leverage because he was the stats leader on a BAD team, but he barely cracked top 100 players in the league for point totals. Management knows this.
- Codes1087

Fair point.


The counter is that the Canucks are selling Horvat to the fans as the new face of the franchise with the Sedins slowly(no punt intended) being phased out. I'm sure his agent is well aware of this. I think it would be easier to sign Bo if the team was better and he wasn't viewed as the team's most exciting player and best young roster player.

Not sure how that makes me a drama queen, I would actually be the one *gasp* defending Benning/Linden if they had the balls to not cave in and be okay with Bo sitting out camp and maybe even some regular season games in order to get a good value long term deal done.

I was suggesting that the not so in tune local media and casual fans would be the ones losing their minds over it.
- Nucker101

you said they would get eaten alive as if that really would be a serious consideration for them.

conversely, you never point out the negative hysteria that could potentially fall on the other side. you really think sitting out helps bo's "brand?" the potential to alienate a fan base for a player hoping to be captain wouldn't be a great move. his agent would need to consider that as well, no?

just pointing out that there are usually two sides of the story but you rarely acknowledge it. this is why i say you get emotional in your arguments.

Arviddson out produced Horvat, and was signed to 7 years at 4.25 million per. Its contracts like these that are making this so hard for Horvats camp and Canucks to come to an agreement.
- Codes1087

Yeah, Poile got a steal there and that definitely helped the Canucks. I'm sure Benning brought it up in meetings/negotiations. But Arvidsson fits the example of a guy who suddenly broke out instead of gradually evolving, plus he isn't the face of the Preds franchise so I feel like Poile had more leverage than Benning does.

you said they would get eaten alive as if that really would be a serious consideration for them.

conversely, you never point out the negative hysteria that could potentially fall on the other side. you really think sitting out helps bo's "brand?" the potential to alienate a fan base for a player hoping to be captain wouldn't be a great move. his agent would need to consider that as well, no?

just pointing out that there are usually two sides of the story but you rarely acknowledge it. this is why i say you get emotional in your arguments.
- RealityChecker

Honestly, not really even riled up about this lol, I know my posts may come off that way since I'm not using emojis and it's 2017 but I thought it was an interesting discussion.

A lot of people here assume someone is mad/upset/emotional when a discussion like this happens on this website for some reason, when I first joined it was just a normal everyday thing. I think you guys are becoming too sensitive to actual hockey discussion that doesn't revolve around something obvious that everyone will agree with. That's the whole point of visiting a hockey message board. If I wanna talk about other stuff and shoot the poop, I'd probably be on my phone/social media instead.


Why would that not matter to them? Aquilini wouldn't exactly be pleased, he fired Gillis a day after the "fire Gillis" chants started in the arena instead of waiting a few more games to finish the season. Having Horvat sit out would probably hurt some of their ticket/merch sales and tv/radio ratings.


I already acknowledged that Bo has some risk here as well, he could get seriously injured on a bridge deal and that would cost him big bucks on his next contract. He would definitely lose some love/fans if he sat out regular season games, but I doubt anyone 5 years from now will remember or even care if he sits out pre-season and maybe even a couple of regular season games.

I totally agree that he risks some of his reputation here and league wide if he sits out more than a game or 2.

Honestly, not really even riled up about this lol, I know my posts may come off that way since I'm not using emojis and it's 2017 but I thought it was an interesting discussion.


Why would that not matter to them? Aquilini wouldn't exactly be pleased, he fired Gillis a day after the "fire Gillis" chants started in the arena instead of waiting a few more games to finish the season. Having Horvat sit out would probably hurt some of their ticket/merch sales and tv/radio ratings.


I already acknowledged that Bo has some risk here as well, he could get seriously injured on a bridge deal and that would cost him big bucks on his next contract. He would definitely lose some love/fans if he sat out regular season games, but I doubt anyone 5 years from now will remember or even care if he sits out pre-season and maybe even a couple of regular season games.

I totally agree that he risks some of his reputation here and league wide if he sits out more than a game or 2.
- Nucker101

Sorta like what subban did. I'm assuming that why he got traded to Nashville.

Honestly, not really even riled up about this lol, I know my posts may come off that way since I'm not using emojis and it's 2017 but I thought it was an interesting discussion.

A lot of people here assume someone is mad/upset/emotional when a discussion like this happens on this website for some reason, when I first joined it was just a normal everyday thing. I think you guys are becoming too sensitive to actual hockey discussion that doesn't revolve around something obvious that everyone will agree with.


Why would that not matter to them? Aquilini wouldn't exactly be pleased, he fired Gillis a day after the "fire Gillis" chants started in the arena instead of waiting a few more games to finish the season. Having Horvat sit out would probably hurt some of their ticket/merch sales and tv/radio ratings.


I already acknowledged that Bo has some risk here as well, he could get seriously injured on a bridge deal and that would cost him big bucks on his next contract. He would definitely lose some love/fans if he sat out regular season games, but I doubt anyone 5 years from now will remember or even care if he sits out pre-season and maybe even a couple of regular season games.

I totally agree that he risks some of his reputation here and league wide if he sits out more than a game or 2.
- Nucker101

you used to write more nuanced stuff.

but then again, i might be wrong.

Sorta like what subban did. I'm assuming that why he got traded to Nashville.
- SRam19

Maybe, but Subban wasn't well liked by some of his teammates. I'd say ROR is another example, guy held out and wanted big money, but the kicker there was that he demanded captaincy.


I bet Bo is well liked and will still be well liked and would never demand any special treatment in a contract.


It would look bad for him to hold out of games for extra money for sure, especially if he's a future captain.

you said they would get eaten alive as if that really would be a serious consideration for them.

conversely, you never point out the negative hysteria that could potentially fall on the other side. you really think sitting out helps bo's "brand?" the potential to alienate a fan base for a player hoping to be captain wouldn't be a great move. his agent would need to consider that as well, no?

just pointing out that there are usually two sides of the story but you rarely acknowledge it. this is why i say you get emotional in your arguments.
- RealityChecker

At this point in Bo's career, sitting out would be (frank)ing stupid. No need to be selfish this early as a pro.

Bo's got a lot of work to do skill-wise. Many areas for improvement.

Don't know why he's acting this way. Maybe those stories of him being a prima donna and locker room cancer aren't so far fetched...

Honestly, not really even riled up about this lol, I know my posts may come off that way since I'm not using emojis and it's 2017 but I thought it was an interesting discussion.

A lot of people here assume someone is mad/upset/emotional when a discussion like this happens on this website for some reason, when I first joined it was just a normal everyday thing. I think you guys are becoming too sensitive to actual hockey discussion that doesn't revolve around something obvious that everyone will agree with. That's the whole point of visiting a hockey message board. If I wanna talk about other stuff and shoot the poop, I'd probably be on my phone/social media instead.


Why would that not matter to them? Aquilini wouldn't exactly be pleased, he fired Gillis a day after the "fire Gillis" chants started in the arena instead of waiting a few more games to finish the season. Having Horvat sit out would probably hurt some of their ticket/merch sales and tv/radio ratings.


I already acknowledged that Bo has some risk here as well, he could get seriously injured on a bridge deal and that would cost him big bucks on his next contract. He would definitely lose some love/fans if he sat out regular season games, but I doubt anyone 5 years from now will remember or even care if he sits out pre-season and maybe even a couple of regular season games.

I totally agree that he risks some of his reputation here and league wide if he sits out more than a game or 2.
- Nucker101

Kesler signed an offer sheet and you still hung his poster.

Fair point.


The counter is that the Canucks are selling Horvat to the fans as the new face of the franchise with the Sedins slowly(no punt intended) being phased out. I'm sure his agent is well aware of this. I think it would be easier to sign Bo if the team was better and he wasn't viewed as the team's most exciting player and best young roster player.
- Nucker101

Holy (frank). Face of the franchise? God help this team.

you used to write more nuanced stuff.

but then again, i might be wrong.

- RealityChecker

I don't know man, maybe I did. But I was more stupid, I mean I was fully into Corsi back then

I just think I'm wired a bit differently compared to most here. I love seeing a good discussion on a hockey website. Other people get angered/worried/scared/annoyed when they do, and I'm not sure why. If there's trolling involved then yeah, that's annoying to read. It's not like this is some old re-hashed discussion on why Benning sucks or Sutter is overpaid.

But I prefer this 100% over the usual one liners, fishing/beer/wife updates(no offense to the older gentlemen) and making fun of the posters that say stupid things everyday.

Kesler signed an offer sheet and you still hung his poster.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I can't put my finger on it but I do miss some of that attitude Kesler brought to the team. I mentioned this yesterday but I miss the antagonizing player style our team used to play.

Kesler signed an offer sheet and you still hung his poster.
- A_SteamingLombardi

And when he scored 40 goals and won the Selke, no one gave a poop either. We're all fickle as (frank)

Holy (frank). Face of the franchise? God help this team.
- bloatedmosquito

It is sad, but..

Take a look at the posters/ads everywhere downtown, he's definitely the most featured player on all of em.

I can't put my finger on it but I do miss some of that attitude Kesler brought to the team. I mentioned this yesterday but I miss the antagonizing player style our team used to play.
- bloatedmosquito

DD not doing it for you?

It is sad, but..

Take a look at the posters/ads everywhere downtown, he's definitely the most featured player on all of em.
- Nucker101

Its either that or the aging sedins. I remember when they traded luongo his posters were still up for about 6-7 months on Rogers Arena.

It is sad, but..

Take a look at the posters/ads everywhere downtown, he's definitely the most featured player on all of em.
- Nucker101

Isn't Hamhuis still hanging on the side of Rogers?

Isn't Hamhuis still hanging on the side of Rogers?
- A_SteamingLombardi

^ exactly.

I can't put my finger on it but I do miss some of that attitude Kesler brought to the team. I mentioned this yesterday but I miss the antagonizing player style our team used to play.
- bloatedmosquito

Its always those players you love to have but hate to play against. I think that comes with having a good team, they get a little cocky/swagger. VAN does not have that

I can't put my finger on it but I do miss some of that attitude Kesler brought to the team. I mentioned this yesterday but I miss the antagonizing player style our team used to play.
- bloatedmosquito

No doubt, this team definitely lacks some of that. Even in the prospect pool, outside of Gaudette, there really isn't much of that "(frank) the other team" type of mentality.

Virtanen did in junior and his first few games here, but he's looked neutered ever since he got suspended.