As a fan, the bolded rings true. But management can't think that way or we are doomed.
- bloatedmosquito

Only a single reference to the twins.
As for the team its well underway but still need a stud D.
Its all a process & boils down what everyone not Sedin can bring to the table soon.

I agree that's it's not the twins fault. They are pro athletes. They have the drive and ego to be pro athletes. All they do is want to play. I expect nothing less from them.

My problem is how this team used them over the pass two seasons. If the coach taps them on the shoulder they're over the boards. They ain't going to turn around to the coach and tell him "Not now coach, send out one of the kids... they need the experience."

It's up to canuck ownership and management team to determine how the twins will be used over the next 3 seasons.
- bloatedmosquito

Nice take above. To Vantel's point believe he is saying TG should focus on the future more then how the Sedins lead the team. This is vital for the development part of rebuilding. I'd add someone has to play with them while they are here. So you'd want that to be a player where all 3 are getting the most out of each other.

But you killed it for me with the next 3 seasons of using the Sedins. That would either be: 1) a failure on D&D and 2) a failure on management to supplement by trade or free agency the talent needed to develop team.

I'd be really surprised if Petersson is next season, at least in the NHL. He'd really have to bulk up and, more importantly, learn how to wear that weight to make an impact so quickly.

I could see him taking a full year in the AHL first. And that isn't a bad thing. Let him and Gaudette duke it out in the top 6 next year with probably Dahlen and whoever else, probably Virtanen still. Having a good AHL team and a successful environment down there before they come up to the NHL isn't a bad thing. Toronto is doing it, and Tampa did it perfectly before. Chicago had a strong AHL team like a decade ago where guys sat for a year or two to adjust coming out of the junior ranks, then they stepped into a team on the rise instead of a team still terrible at the bottonm.

Whether the Twins come back or not, after signing Gagner the team is sort of "set" at center. Hank-Horvat-Sutter-Gagner or Horvat-Sutter-Gagner-plug because 4th line. The Gagner signing really gives Petersson and Gaudette a lot of time to develop and lessen the pressure to get them into the lineup if Chaput or Megna or whoever is taking centre reps.

Nice take above. To Vantel's point believe he is saying TG should focus on the future more then how the Sedins lead the team. This is vital for the development part of rebuilding. I'd add someone has to play with them while they are here. So you'd want that to be a player where all 3 are getting the most out of each other.

But you killed for me with the next 3 seasons of using the Sedins. That would either be: 1) a failure on D&D and 2) a failure on management to supplement by trade or free agency the talent needed to develop team.
- Nuck4U

I hope that TG sees the players with the most success with the Twins last year and understands and communicates to them how things are different now. It wasn't so much Hansen, and guys of that vague mold like Sutter and then Chaput/Megna. It wasn't the puck retriever cycler. It was more skilled players like Granlund and Goldobin. The guys who would let the twins enter the zone, make two passes and be open for a shot up higher, rather than sitting in the corner waiting for the cycle.

Nice take above. To Vantel's point believe he is saying TG should focus on the future more then how the Sedins lead the team. This is vital for the development part of rebuilding. I'd add someone has to play with them while they are here. So you'd want that to be a player where all 3 are getting the most out of each other.

But you killed for me with the next 3 seasons of using the Sedins. That would either be: 1) a failure on D&D and 2) a failure on management to supplement by trade or free agency the talent needed to develop team.
- Nuck4U

I threw out that "next 3 seasons" just to see if I get a reaction. But TBH I think they will be canucks until the end of the 19/20 NHL season.

I don't necessarily think if that happened it would be a failure in development. My thinking is that the roster and prospect pool is so paper thin that it's going to take years of player development to get this team, once again, back to prominence.

I don't have a lot of confidence in TG. Hired to be fired as far as I'm concerned.

I hope that TG sees the players with the most success with the Twins last year and understands and communicates to them how things are different now. It wasn't so much Hansen, and guys of that vague mold like Sutter and then Chaput/Megna. It wasn't the puck retriever cycler. It was more skilled players like Granlund and Goldobin. The guys who would let the twins enter the zone, make two passes and be open for a shot up higher, rather than sitting in the corner waiting for the cycle.
- Lindenis#1

Off the rush a speedy skilled winger could be an added dimension but idk if the Sedins care to risk possible one n done. Puck possession they luv & have a hard time trying other things. Idk i could be wrong but slowing down the play is what they do.

I threw out that "next 3 seasons" just to see if I get a reaction. But TBH I think they will be canucks until the end of the 19/20 NHL season.

I don't necessarily think if that happened it would be a failure in development. My thinking is that the roster and prospect pool is so paper thin that it's going to take years of player development to get this team, once again, back to prominence.

I don't have a lot of confidence in TG. Hired to be fired as far as I'm concerned.
- bloatedmosquito

flagged hard.

Best coaching staff of all time! Future HHOF staff.

I threw out that "next 3 seasons" just to see if I get a reaction. But TBH I think they will be canucks until the end of the 19/20 NHL season.

I don't necessarily think if that happened it would be a failure in development. My thinking is that the roster and prospect pool is so paper thin that it's going to take years of player development to get this team, once again, back to prominence.

I don't have a lot of confidence in TG. Hired to be fired as far as I'm concerned.
- bloatedmosquito

Who do you have confidence in & based on what?

- Marwood

flagged hard.

Best coaching staff of all time! Future HHOF staff.
- Pres.cup

My first hard flag.

Off the rush a speedy skilled winger could be an added dimension but idk if the Sedins care to risk possible one n done. Puck possession they luv & have a hard time trying other things. Idk i could be wrong but slowing down the play is what they do.
- Nighthawk

They had a hard time doing puck possession last year because they just couldn't. They've lost a full step when you had half a step to give at most. They weren't able to defend the puck on the cycle. No matter what mucker they were given.

Maybe part of that is linemate related since the muckers were bad muckers. Maybe its also because they didn't have a defenceman to help stretch the offensive zone and make a reliable offensive play. Maybe that changes with Del Zotto, but he's only one guy. No "good" muckers were brought it. But two of the players people wouldn't consider traditional fits were two of the strongest in Granlund and Goldobin. Boeser isn't Burrows or Hansen and he seemed like a strong fit based on their PP time because he got open in shooting areas.

I agree that's it's not the twins fault. They are pro athletes. They have the drive and ego to be pro athletes. All they do is want to play. I expect nothing less from them.

My problem is how this team used them over the pass two seasons. If the coach taps them on the shoulder they're over the boards. They ain't going to turn around to the coach and tell him "Not now coach, send out one of the kids... they need the experience."

It's up to canuck ownership and management team to determine how the twins will be used over the next 3 seasons.
- bloatedmosquito

FLAGGED!!!!

Who do you have confidence in & based on what?
- Nighthawk

WD had all the credentials but nothing to work with. I don't see TG any different. Greenie may say all the right things now, but then doing the right thing when the season starts is a whole different matter.

As you may know, I generally don't have confidence in canuck management... Can you blame me?

FLAGGED!!!!
- Marwood

Hard flag?

Hard flag?
- bloatedmosquito

We should probably take this to PMing. And yes, a hard flag. Really hard, it might lead to hair pulling.

I'd be really surprised if Petersson is next season, at least in the NHL. He'd really have to bulk up and, more importantly, learn how to wear that weight to make an impact so quickly.

I could see him taking a full year in the AHL first. And that isn't a bad thing. Let him and Gaudette duke it out in the top 6 next year with probably Dahlen and whoever else, probably Virtanen still. Having a good AHL team and a successful environment down there before they come up to the NHL isn't a bad thing. Toronto is doing it, and Tampa did it perfectly before. Chicago had a strong AHL team like a decade ago where guys sat for a year or two to adjust coming out of the junior ranks, then they stepped into a team on the rise instead of a team still terrible at the bottonm.

Whether the Twins come back or not, after signing Gagner the team is sort of "set" at center. Hank-Horvat-Sutter-Gagner or Horvat-Sutter-Gagner-plug because 4th line. The Gagner signing really gives Petersson and Gaudette a lot of time to develop and lessen the pressure to get them into the lineup if Chaput or Megna or whoever is taking centre reps.
- Lindenis#1

Then you will be really surprised if Canucks sign EP to bring him in for a look at end of season.

I get the AHL development rung and how it's good. Though EP is junior aged playing with men in the best league in Europe. You shouldn't be surprised if he skips the AHL and earns a roster spot on Canucks next year.

What we don't know is if his size allows him to play center at the NHL level. He may not start there but bulk up to it. So riding shotgun to Bo, Sutter or other won't be a bad development step.

I hope that TG sees the players with the most success with the Twins last year and understands and communicates to them how things are different now. It wasn't so much Hansen, and guys of that vague mold like Sutter and then Chaput/Megna. It wasn't the puck retriever cycler. It was more skilled players like Granlund and Goldobin. The guys who would let the twins enter the zone, make two passes and be open for a shot up higher, rather than sitting in the corner waiting for the cycle.
- Lindenis#1

This season Canucks will have winger options so it will be interesting.

I threw out that "next 3 seasons" just to see if I get a reaction. But TBH I think they will be canucks until the end of the 19/20 NHL season.

I don't necessarily think if that happened it would be a failure in development. My thinking is that the roster and prospect pool is so paper thin that it's going to take years of player development to get this team, once again, back to prominence.

I don't have a lot of confidence in TG. Hired to be fired as far as I'm concerned.
- bloatedmosquito

Well then we will agree to disagree on measure of failure if Sedins still here in 2020.

I'd say the paper thin prospect pool is so 2015 thinking when Canucks just got ranked 7th by the Eastern biased pundits.

I know you'd like to see the difference on the Canucks roster. I'd say this season will have some bright spots like last. Like emergence of Granlund, Stecher for example. Then you will see more light in 2018 building up a turnaround excitement. Win the lotto and you will be dancing a new jig that success can happen.

This season Canucks will have winger options so it will be interesting.
- Nuck4U

Options? Let's play a game. Here are your options:



or



Now, the question is "do you really have an option?"

@Vantel, the Sedins get to take the spotlight and pressure off the younger players for now... but you gotta know the team will be injured and banged up with no depth to keep the team in contention. By allstar break the team will be on its way to getting some decent odds of a high lottery pick... preferably a ping pong ball goes our way and the team gets a top 2 player...

I threw out that "next 3 seasons" just to see if I get a reaction. But TBH I think they will be canucks until the end of the 19/20 NHL season.

I don't necessarily think if that happened it would be a failure in development. My thinking is that the roster and prospect pool is so paper thin that it's going to take years of player development to get this team, once again, back to prominence.

I don't have a lot of confidence in TG. Hired to be fired as far as I'm concerned.
- bloatedmosquito

Agreed

And agree again, but hey he's going to bench vets, limit the sedins, play the kids, this guy is the next hype and hope here so tread carefully or you could hurt someones feelings.

Nice take above. To Vantel's point believe he is saying TG should focus on the future more then how the Sedins lead the team. This is vital for the development part of rebuilding. I'd add someone has to play with them while they are here. So you'd want that to be a player where all 3 are getting the most out of each other.

But you killed it for me with the next 3 seasons of using the Sedins. That would either be: 1) a failure on D&D and 2) a failure on management to supplement by trade or free agency the talent needed to develop team.
- Nuck4U

Sedins will retire after next season... they'll do a one year deal where they are the 3rd line pairing... It's the end of the line for them. Maybe they get traded at the deadline the next two seasons (includes 17'-18') and it brings the Nux some assets... for the cup push 19'-20' and the regular season championship 20'-21'

Options? Let's play a game. Here are your options:



or



Now, the question is "do you really have an option?"
- bloatedmosquito

not sure if this is a bash the Sedins comment or Canucks level of wingers or both.

Do you want to play list and rate the winger game...?

Sedins will retire after next season... they'll do a one year deal where they are the 3rd line pairing... It's the end of the line for them. Maybe they get traded at the deadline the next two seasons (includes 17'-18') and it brings the Nux some assets... for the cup push 19'-20' and the regular season championship 20'-21'
- kaptaan

That one year deal for Sedins may be needed. It won't be if the following occurs by next summer. Canucks develop their prospects and young roster players to supplant Sedins. Canucks by trade or free agency bring in younger players to supplant Sedins and grow with new core.