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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 15 @ 1:16 PM ET
And personally, I also think Hartnell was a better player as a Flyer than Briere. JMO
- AllInForFlyers


Just when you think you know a guy...
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Aug 15 @ 1:29 PM ET
He was definitely hairier.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 15 @ 1:31 PM ET
Huh.

I'm gonna quibble with you a bit.

Carter and Richards were unceremoniously dispatched and Richards in particular was an absolute sourpuss his last season or so, but I really think you have them too low.

To me, they are 3 (Carter) and 4 (Richards) on that list. And personally, I also think Hartnell was a better player as a Flyer than Briere. JMO

- AllInForFlyers

Everyone is going to see it different, all good. I gave Briere the edge due his playoff performances.
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Aug 15 @ 1:33 PM ET
Knuble was just one of those guys that knew how to score....not gifted with blazing speed or an amazing shot, he just always went to the goal scorers area on the ice, and always seemed to get himself in position to score. That in it self is a skill....
- landros 2

If he had speed a HOF
dragonoffrost
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Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Aug 15 @ 1:37 PM ET
Yotes.
Full list:

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- arichardson22



Caps, Rags and Pens all in the last 6
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Aug 15 @ 1:44 PM ET
It has been fun, but the purist in me is a little disappointed
- YuenglingJagr


Eh.inspired by the books, not an exact retelling.

Hell that frustration for me died a few years ago with no Lady Stoneheart
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 15 @ 1:46 PM ET
Eh.inspired by the books, not an exact retelling.

Hell that frustration for me died a few years ago with no Lady Stoneheart

- opeth_pa


But did she really matter? If they included her, but cut out more essential plot elements, then those of us that haven't read the books would be even more in the dark.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Aug 15 @ 1:51 PM ET
But did she really matter? If they included her, but cut out more essential plot elements, then us that haven't read the books would be even more in the dark.
- jmatchett383


Agreed , no different to me than Tom Bombadil from LotR. Both were cool characters in the books but neither was needed to tell the story in movies or on TV.

My point is at this point in GOT i dont understand when people are annoyed it's a different story and experience than the books.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Aug 15 @ 1:56 PM ET
Agreed , no different to me than Tom Bombadil from LotR. Both were cool characters in the books but neither was needed to tell the story in movies or on TV.

My point is at this point in GOT i dont understand when people are annoyed it's a different story and experience than the books.

- opeth_pa

I probably shouldve used a different word than purist...I have never read the books and don't care if the story doesn't follow it. My point is that it hasnt really followed it's own story it has told in the shows. Characters that have taken 6 seasons to develop suddenly act a certain way that doesn't really fit. It seems less authentic
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

Aug 15 @ 1:57 PM ET
Caps, Rags and Pens all in the last 6
- dragonoffrost

and I bet the pens are real upset about that
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Aug 15 @ 1:58 PM ET
Caps, Rags and Pens all in the last 6
- dragonoffrost


Future is bright for us at least
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Aug 15 @ 2:01 PM ET
Everyone is going to see it different, all good. I gave Briere the edge due his playoff performances.
- BiggE


Idk why, but the penalty shot Briere had in the Winter Classic forever stings me.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Aug 15 @ 2:01 PM ET
Huh.

I'm gonna quibble with you a bit.

Carter and Richards were unceremoniously dispatched and Richards in particular was an absolute sourpuss his last season or so, but I really think you have them too low.

To me, they are 3 (Carter) and 4 (Richards) on that list. And personally, I also think Hartnell was a better player as a Flyer than Briere. JMO

- AllInForFlyers


Just curious: What do you base that on? Briere scored at a slightly higher rate in the RS than Hartnell and was a PPG player in the playoffs.

I am not saying this to downgrade Hartnell. He was a member of some of the best lines the Flyers have had in the last 10 or so years.

Also: Not attacking your opinion. Folks forget how long Hartnell was actually here (over 500 games). Was just curious about your criteria....that's all.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 15 @ 2:01 PM ET
Huh.

I'm gonna quibble with you a bit.

Carter and Richards were unceremoniously dispatched and Richards in particular was an absolute sourpuss his last season or so, but I really think you have them too low.

To me, they are 3 (Carter) and 4 (Richards) on that list. And personally, I also think Hartnell was a better player as a Flyer than Briere. JMO

- AllInForFlyers


I think Hartnell could be put ahead of Briere because Hartnell was here longer and less prone to injury. Outside of this, Briere was better.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Aug 15 @ 2:03 PM ET
Idk why, but the penalty shot Briere had in the Winter Classic forever stings me.
- arichardson22


That would have been amazing if he potted that.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 15 @ 2:10 PM ET
That would have been amazing if he potted that.
- johndewar


That was the least entertaining of the 3 outdoor games. Not just because they lost, the other 2 were just more fun.
FlyersGrace
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Aug 15 @ 2:14 PM ET
I think Hartnell could be put ahead of Briere because Hartnell was here longer and less prone to injury. Outside of this, Briere was better.
- SuperSchennBros

Would it influence you to know that you guys have my wonderful presence on the boards because of Briere? I started watching hockey because I loved to watch him play...

Course that might be a mark against him -
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 15 @ 2:17 PM ET
Just curious: What do you base that on? Briere scored at a slightly higher rate in the RS than Hartnell and was a PPG player in the playoffs.

I am not saying this to downgrade Hartnell. He was a member of some of the best lines the Flyers have had in the last 10 or so years.

Also: Not attacking your opinion. Folks forget how long Hartnell was actually here (over 500 games). Was just curious about your criteria....that's all.

- johndewar


fun factor
Hartnell was way more fun than Briere
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Aug 15 @ 2:31 PM ET
Halfway thru August, and there are two 70+ point forwards (Draisaitl & Pastrnak) and two 50-60 point forwards (Wennberg & Horvat) are still RFAs.

https://www.capfriendly.c...s/2018/points/all/all/rfa

They must be asking for a lot of money.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Aug 15 @ 2:43 PM ET
Halfway thru August, and there are two 70+ point forwards (Draisaitl & Pastrnak) and two 50-60 point forwards (Wennberg & Horvat) are still RFAs.

https://www.capfriendly.c...s/2018/points/all/all/rfa

They must be asking for a lot of money.

- Feanor

would be too funny if the Bruins traded Pastrnak
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Aug 15 @ 2:48 PM ET
would be too funny if the Bruins traded Pastrnak
- YuenglingJagr


The Boston-reject line would be a pretty good one.

Thornton-Seguin-Pastrnak
Bonerfide69
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: North Pole
Joined: 01.31.2017

Aug 15 @ 2:53 PM ET
If he had speed a HOF
- Landsbergfan

Bonerfide69
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: North Pole
Joined: 01.31.2017

Aug 15 @ 2:56 PM ET
The Flyers-reject line would be a pretty good one.

Weise-Boyd-VdV

- Feanor

Fixed
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Aug 15 @ 2:58 PM ET
Huh.

I'm gonna quibble with you a bit.

Carter and Richards were unceremoniously dispatched and Richards in particular was an absolute sourpuss his last season or so, but I really think you have them too low.

To me, they are 3 (Carter) and 4 (Richards) on that list. And personally, I also think Hartnell was a better player as a Flyer than Briere. JMO

- AllInForFlyers


A case can be made for Richards and Carter above Briere but no way I can agree on Hartnell. Briere never lived up to the expectations created by his 95 point season but he scored some of the biggest goals during that era. Was a factor in almost every playoff series he was in.
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Aug 15 @ 3:01 PM ET
I probably shouldve used a different word than purist...I have never read the books and don't care if the story doesn't follow it. My point is that it hasnt really followed it's own story it has told in the shows. Characters that have taken 6 seasons to develop suddenly act a certain way that doesn't really fit. It seems less authentic
- YuenglingJagr


I agree with you on this. I've enjoyed the last couple seasons but the plot is definitely off from the prior seasons. More predictable, more payoffs and cheap thrills. Still love the show. Next episode looks amazing!
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