That's why ur not a GM
- rinaldo

Who wouldn't you trade then, enlightened one

That's why ur not a GM
- rinaldo

I want to eat the wife too TBH
- Mononoke

Woah

go
- ob18

You can wire the $200 to my PayPal account please and thank you very much yes

I want to eat the wife too TBH
- Mononoke

Not again!

Who wouldn't you trade then, enlightened one
- Giroux_Is_God

A gms job is to field phone calls. No one is untouchable especially not the last 3 on your list. Doesn't mean they will be moved but I sure as poop wouldn't hang up if someone called about them

A gms job is to field phone calls. No one is untouchable especially not the last 3 on your list. Doesn't mean they will be moved but I sure as poop wouldn't hang up if someone called about them
- rinaldo

New blob

I am fully on board with Team Trade Wayne
- PhillySportsGuy

Not surprising.

Are you seriously saying that Gostisbehere is signed to a future albatross contract? The Flyers shouldn't even think about trading a young defenseman for a young scoring forward at this point in time. Read is an older player so I can see him being on the outside but the Flyers have invested significant development time with Laughton and they are going to give him a legitimate shot to make the team. He is not viewed by the organization as one of the odd men out. Maybe you aren't paying attention but the Flyers recently chose to protect Laughton in the expansion draft.
- MJL

Did you think that Mark Streit was worth $5.25M last season? If you do think that a player the Flyers discarded was worth his salary, then you can start to make an argument that Ghost could be worth $4.5M. But in that world, AMac really DOES earn his $5M/yr. Have you ever noticed that Ghost's ice time goes up and down depending upon how many power plays the Flyers have, but the other members of the first unit play the same number of hours per night (including G, who was recovering from the same surgery that is the main Ghost excuse)? Why? Because he is a MAJOR liability in 5v5 situations and useless in the PK (which by the way Streit was not). If you watch the massive number of turnovers he committed last season, the majority are due to the fact that he has numerous tendencies and bad habits that have been scouted. And just like the breakout rookie QB who makes a huge splash, never to be seen again, Ghost has been "figured out" When even four of the prospects make the move up to the Flyers, Ghost will spend A LOT of time in the press box. Unless of course management forces the coach to dress him to spare the embarrassment of paying a guy that kind of money to watch hockey.

Who wouldn't you trade then, enlightened one
- Giroux_Is_God

Ooh! Ooh! I know this one!

Who is overrated and could fetch something worthwhile in return?

Ghost

Who is overpaid and/or might fetch valuable prospects or draft picks in return, while never really contributing to the team?

Laughton
Read
Lehtera
Stolarz

Did you think that Mark Streit was worth $5.25M last season? If you do think that a player the Flyers discarded was worth his salary, then you can start to make an argument that Ghost could be worth $4.5M. But in that world, AMac really DOES earn his $5M/yr. Have you ever noticed that Ghost's ice time goes up and down depending upon how many power plays the Flyers have, but the other members of the first unit play the same number of hours per night (including G, who was recovering from the same surgery that is the main Ghost excuse)? Why? Because he is a MAJOR liability in 5v5 situations and useless in the PK (which by the way Streit was not). If you watch the massive number of turnovers he committed last season, the majority are due to the fact that he has numerous tendencies and bad habits that have been scouted. And just like the breakout rookie QB who makes a huge splash, never to be seen again, Ghost has been "figured out" When even four of the prospects make the move up to the Flyers, Ghost will spend A LOT of time in the press box. Unless of course management forces the coach to dress him to spare the embarrassment of paying a guy that kind of money to watch hockey.
- hockeyal

There is so much that is inaccurate here, I don't know where to start. First of all you're comparing the situation of a player who signed as an older UFA and declined as a 39 year old, to a young defenseman who is pretty much just starting his career.
Your read on the situation with Gostisbehere is off in a lot of ways. There is no doubt that he struggled last year. His defensive game and his play in his own end broke down which is why he spent some time in the press box. This idea that a player can be scouted and figured out is funny. Why doesn't that happen to every player? His icetime will fluctuate based on how he plays, just like any player especially a young player. Of course PP ice time will also affect his ice time. As will the game situations, time and score. Just like a player like MacDonald who plays on the PK. If the Flyers aren't penalized a lot, his ice time will be down.
Gostisbehere is a player that is still developing. Offensive puck moving defenseman will always have a lot of turnovers. I think there is a big difference between rational and reasonable criticism and what you're doing due to having a clear dislike for the player. Gostisbehere deserves criticism for his play overall last year but that doesn't mean he still is not a talented player with a bright future.

Ooh! Ooh! I know this one!

Who is overrated and could fetch something worthwhile in return?

Ghost

Who is overpaid and/or might fetch valuable prospects or draft picks in return, while never really contributing to the team?

Laughton
Read
Lehtera
Stolarz
- hockeyal

Interesting. You're contradicting yourself. These players are no good but they would have value in a trade?

Read is a pretty minor problem. He's overpaid for his role but only for another year. And maybe he finds his scoring again? We're talking less than a 2 million over payment here. Umberger was just dead weight and MacDonald is far more overpaid and under contract for much longer. I'm not really concerned with Read who does what he's asked to do.

Interesting. You're contradicting yourself. These players are no good but they would have value in a trade?
- MJL

How is saying they could maybe get a prospect of a pick, like a 7th rounder for someone like Laughton contradict the fact they have no value to the Flyers (except in trade). Or someone like Gostisbehere who might have value if some GMs think he really might not suck.

There is so much that is inaccurate here, I don't know where to start. First of all you're comparing the situation of a player who signed as an older UFA and declined as a 39 year old, to a young defenseman who is pretty much just starting his career.
Your read on the situation with Gostisbehere is off in a lot of ways. There is no doubt that he struggled last year. His defensive game and his play in his own end broke down which is why he spent some time in the press box. This idea that a player can be scouted and figured out is funny. Why doesn't that happen to every player? His icetime will fluctuate based on how he plays, just like any player especially a young player. Of course PP ice time will also affect his ice time. As will the game situations, time and score. Just like a player like MacDonald who plays on the PK. If the Flyers aren't penalized a lot, his ice time will be down.
Gostisbehere is a player that is still developing. Offensive puck moving defenseman will always have a lot of turnovers. I think there is a big difference between rational and reasonable criticism and what you're doing due to having a clear dislike for the player. Gostisbehere deserves criticism for his play overall last year but that doesn't mean he still is not a talented player with a bright future.
- MJL

Actually AMac plays the same minutes whether there are 1 or 10 opponents power plays. As did Provy and Gudas. Also, so did Mark Streit no matter how many times the 2nd unit went out. But not Gostisbehere. -18. 47% of shots on net (almost the worst in the NHL). Just bad. Puck moving defensemen who have turnovers like Gostisbehere don't have careers in the NHL. His two-way play was no better in his rookie year, but his much maligned defensive partner covered his a$$ frequently, and well. People who are in love with a player, or even the IDEA of a player, get blinded to the facts or hug the few stats that they believe MIGHT show promise (apparently if you shoot the puck 5 feet wide of the net a lot, your Fenwick can be HUGE!), instead of looking at reality, like coaches do. In two years, the Flyers will have at least TWO puck moving defensemen on the roster who are better than Ghost not only offensively, but on the power play and as two-way players. $4.5M???? Move him now, before people realize the emperor is naked and we either have eat salary through a buy out or for him to play in the AHL.

Actually AMac plays the same minutes whether there are 1 or 10 opponents power plays. As did Provy and Gudas. Also, so did Mark Streit no matter how many times the 2nd unit went out. But not Gostisbehere. -18. 47% of shots on net (almost the worst in the NHL). Just bad. Puck moving defensemen who have turnovers like Gostisbehere don't have careers in the NHL. His two-way play was no better in his rookie year, but his much maligned defensive partner covered his a$$ frequently, and well. People who are in love with a player, or even the IDEA of a player, get blinded to the facts or hug the few stats that they believe MIGHT show promise (apparently if you shoot the puck 5 feet wide of the net a lot, your Fenwick can be HUGE!), instead of looking at reality, like coaches do. In two years, the Flyers will have at least TWO puck moving defensemen on the roster who are better than Ghost not only offensively, but on the power play and as two-way players. $4.5M???? Move him now, before people realize the emperor is naked and we either have eat salary through a buy out or for him to play in the AHL.
- hockeyal

Actually AMac plays the same minutes whether there are 1 or 10 opponents power plays. As did Provy and Gudas. Also, so did Mark Streit no matter how many times the 2nd unit went out. But not Gostisbehere. -18. 47% of shots on net (almost the worst in the NHL). Just bad. Puck moving defensemen who have turnovers like Gostisbehere don't have careers in the NHL. His two-way play was no better in his rookie year, but his much maligned defensive partner covered his a$$ frequently, and well. People who are in love with a player, or even the IDEA of a player, get blinded to the facts or hug the few stats that they believe MIGHT show promise (apparently if you shoot the puck 5 feet wide of the net a lot, your Fenwick can be HUGE!), instead of looking at reality, like coaches do. In two years, the Flyers will have at least TWO puck moving defensemen on the roster who are better than Ghost not only offensively, but on the power play and as two-way players. $4.5M???? Move him now, before people realize the emperor is naked and we either have eat salary through a buy out or for him to play in the AHL.
- hockeyal

https://www.nhl.com/playe...ogs-r-nhl&season=20162017


How ironic that you claim that people are blinded by the facts while not knowing the facts yourself. MacDonald does not play the same minutes game by game as evidenced by the game logs from last season. Take a look for yourself. His ice time ranged from a low of 14:03 to a high of 25:21 and widely varied in between.

Do you think the input of the reality of what the coaches are looking at and seeing in Gostisbehere had anything to do with Hextall re-signing Gostisbehere to a 6 year 27M contract? Or did Hextall just ignore his coaches?

It's a shame that your obvious bias towards the player over shadows the few reasonable points that you have. Instead of making a reasonable argument in pointing out the flaws in his game and areas where he needs to improve, you fall back on rhetoric and frankly embarrass yourself.

How is saying they could maybe get a prospect of a pick, like a 7th rounder for someone like Laughton contradict the fact they have no value to the Flyers (except in trade). Or someone like Gostisbehere who might have value if some GMs think he really might not suck.
- hockeyal

You used the qualifier "valuable" I assumed that meant something better than a 7th round pick. How do you justify your opinion on Laughton with the fact that the Flyers protected him in the expansion draft?


"Gostisbehere sucks but hey we can get something really good for him in a trade" Only on Hockeybuzz do we read this kind of logic!

https://www.nhl.com/player/andrew-macdonald-8473584?stats=gamelogs-r-nhl&season=20162017


How ironic that you claim that people are blinded by the facts while not knowing the facts yourself. MacDonald does not play the same minutes game by game as evidenced by the game logs from last season. Take a look for yourself. His ice time ranged from a low of 14:03 to a high of 25:21 and widely varied in between.

Do you think the input of the reality of what the coaches are looking at and seeing in Gostisbehere had anything to do with Hextall re-signing Gostisbehere to a 6 year 27M contract? Or did Hextall just ignore his coaches?

It's a shame that your obvious bias towards the player over shadows the few reasonable points that you have. Instead of making a reasonable argument in pointing out the flaws in his game and areas where he needs to improve, you fall back on rhetoric and frankly embarrass yourself.
- MJL

I DID look at game logs, did YOU? How many games did AMac play LESS than 20 minutes? yes, he didn't go back out when he was dinged in one game.

How many games did Ghost make 10 minutes of 5v5? I can only find a few.

I personally think he rolled the dice. If he really isn't any good, the fact the Hexy made that statement makes him better as trade bait, until he has played enough that the rest of the league knows he hit the ceiling and is plummeting to Earth.

You used the qualifier "valuable" I assumed that meant something better than a 7th round pick. How do you justify your opinion on Laughton with the fact that the Flyers protected him in the expansion draft?


"Gostisbehere sucks but hey we can get something really good for him in a trade" Only on Hockeybuzz do we read this kind of logic!

- MJL

The Avalanche got a Stanly Cup for Lindros. Homer signed Lecavalier for a billion dollars. GMs sometimes do stupid stuff.

Also, you can often get a player in his last year of a deal for a lesser player who is tied up for the long haul, and vice versa, depending upon what the guy is worth. Duchene is a much better talent than Ghost, but I bet Sakic would take him in trade.

I DID look at game logs, did YOU? How many games did AMac play LESS than 20 minutes? yes, he didn't go back out when he was dinged in one game.

How many games did Ghost make 10 minutes of 5v5? I can only find a few.

I personally think he rolled the dice. If he really isn't any good, the fact the Hexy made that statement makes him better as trade bait, until he has played enough that the rest of the league knows he hit the ceiling and is plummeting to Earth.
- hockeyal

You didn't or you wouldn't have made the false statement that you did. Now you're changing the parameters.

Hextall signing Gostisbehere to a 6 year deal is rolling the dice in Hextall's view? I seriously doubt it.
So if he really isn't any good, the fact that Hextall signed him to that deal makes him better as trade bait? Seriously? It's one crazy statement after another.