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DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jul 11 @ 6:19 PM ET

walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jul 11 @ 6:21 PM ET
need young mobile defensemen.
- ger68


They ain't giving one of those up. I think Garrison is done, I'd rather go with the cheaper option in Derek Engelland.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jul 11 @ 6:24 PM ET


- DarthKane


If that's the case we're probably done with trades unless we're talking about guys that can be sent down without going through waivers.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Jul 11 @ 6:42 PM ET


- DarthKane


Sooooo basically the Hawks are done for the summer??
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jul 11 @ 7:08 PM ET
Those are support/bottom 6 guys next year, Sage. They do have to get Palat done this year and Kucherov in two years. https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/lightning
- Mr Ricochet


And Kucherov may very well be an 11 mil plus guy after giving the discount this contract he will not do it again.

That almost to the final against the Blackhawks made the entire TB roster more amidable to take less to keep the team together (mostly).
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jul 11 @ 7:15 PM ET
I hear you on the concern for defense. I'm not too worried about the top 4; Keith, Seabrook, Murphy and Kempny are solid. The bottom pairing is a big question mark.
- DarthKane


...and know it has been written elsewhere, but there is going to be pressure on Murphy along with heavy minutes.
Forsling has got to be groomed and he has to shoot the puck.

He has a strength that will be unveiled as he starts getting the opportunities...


walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jul 11 @ 7:43 PM ET
Ok, who the heck is Vincent Praplan???
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Jul 11 @ 7:45 PM ET
Ok, who the heck is Vincent Praplan???
- walleyeb1


Mr and Mrs Praplan's son
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jul 11 @ 7:51 PM ET
Mr and Mrs Praplan's son
- PatShart



They must be influential people because they somehow finagled him an invite to the Blackhawks prospect camp.
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jul 11 @ 8:05 PM ET
They ain't giving one of those up. I think Garrison is done, I'd rather go with the cheaper option in Derek Engelland.
- walleyeb1

Engelland is not good though - terrible shot suppression and shot metric possession while playing against low QOC. He's also not too bright on the ice considering the weird mistakes he makes and he's 35. Garrison, while also not good, has performed better than Engelland imo.

And Vegas likely isn't trading him anyway as he's their 'local' guy - they pretty much came out and said that's why they took him in the draft.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jul 11 @ 8:07 PM ET
Huh I found Vincent

https://youtu.be/oQ8SIwmkntk
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jul 11 @ 8:15 PM ET
Ok, who the heck is Vincent Praplan???
- walleyeb1

He had a goal and an assist in the Swiss WC team that beat Canada in one of the preliminary round games.

EbonyRaptor
Joined: 03.28.2013

Jul 11 @ 8:16 PM ET


- DarthKane


I'm OK with that for a couple reasons. First, I'd rather not lose a top prospect to entice another team to take Hossa when the Hawks can put him on LTIR themselves on day#2 of the season - and I know that means the Hawks don't have the $5M to spend on free agents over the summer but I don't see any free agent difference makers that are still available. And second, I'd rather keep Hossa in the Hawks organization if for no other reason that it might increase the probability that Hossa will not officially retire until after the remaining 4 years of his contract runs out. It would be nice if the organization can find something for Hossa to do to stay in the organization.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jul 11 @ 8:38 PM ET
He had a goal and an assist in the Swiss WC team that beat Canada in one of the preliminary round games.
- L_B_R


At the World Championships he put up seven points (three assists) in eight games for the Swiss national team.

https://swisshockeynews.c...ackhawks-development-camp
matt_ahrens
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Carlos, CA
Joined: 06.30.2014

Jul 11 @ 9:35 PM ET
I'm OK with that for a couple reasons. First, I'd rather not lose a top prospect to entice another team to take Hossa when the Hawks can put him on LTIR themselves on day#2 of the season - and I know that means the Hawks don't have the $5M to spend on free agents over the summer but I don't see any free agent difference makers that are still available. And second, I'd rather keep Hossa in the Hawks organization if for no other reason that it might increase the probability that Hossa will not officially retire until after the remaining 4 years of his contract runs out. It would be nice if the organization can find something for Hossa to do to stay in the organization.
- EbonyRaptor


It's fine with me as long as the Blackhawks win a Cup this season.
We'll never know what the opportunity cost is of a move like this because we don't know what kinds of deals Stan could put together.
And, it could be that the Blackhawks are doing their due diligence in the event that they aren't able to make other moves before then.
It's all good.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jul 11 @ 11:06 PM ET
At the World Championships he put up seven points (three assists) in eight games for the Swiss national team.

https://swisshockeynews.c...ackhawks-development-camp

- walleyeb1


and three years ago Vincent Praplan was part of their U-20 World Junior team.
He spent a year playing in the OHL, but didn't get drafted because he really didn't have advanced attack skills back then,he was basically a set up guy, with little interest in the two other zones..
He is a bit under six foot, about 182 lbs.,a winger, and was really impressive at the last World Championship.

These guys are fodder, fillers who someone wanted another look at at and that is why he is in the camp.
Swiss Hockey league can pay a nice salary, but maybe he wants to try out in North America to gauge his progress against the hawk's newbies, and IF he shines, he might get a starting contract in the organization...Granted he SHOULD look very good against kids younger than him, right, and if the World's was a true indicator, that very well might be the case..
If he shines, well, then, we'll see...
vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

Jul 12 @ 7:23 AM ET
I'm OK with that for a couple reasons. First, I'd rather not lose a top prospect to entice another team to take Hossa when the Hawks can put him on LTIR themselves on day#2 of the season - and I know that means the Hawks don't have the $5M to spend on free agents over the summer but I don't see any free agent difference makers that are still available. And second, I'd rather keep Hossa in the Hawks organization if for no other reason that it might increase the probability that Hossa will not officially retire until after the remaining 4 years of his contract runs out. It would be nice if the organization can find something for Hossa to do to stay in the organization.
- EbonyRaptor


I know its been written here, but I'm simple man and will ask the question directly;

Does this mean on day two of this season, when he is put on LTIR, he is on it for 4 years straight, or does he come off of LTIR when they season ends, and they have to put him on Day 2 in each of the 4 years?

The reason for the question is I'm trying to understand if they lost out on spending his money just this summer, or every one of the 4 summers.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jul 12 @ 9:59 AM ET
I know its been written here, but I'm simple man and will ask the question directly:
Does this mean on day two of this season, when he is put on LTIR, he is on it for 4 years straight, or does he come off of LTIR when they season ends, and they have to put him on Day 2 in each of the 4 years?

- vabeachbear



I guess depends upon whether Hossa Blackhawk doctors and the team are being genuine with this medical concern, that we over the course of his career in Chicago, not one of the news media knew about, when even a supposition about any player became a item they were willing to put in print.

I am sure other players have this condition on many clubs.

But to the extent Hossa does? Well, will we know that? Because from where I am looking at it, this was a nice way to have your in-house medical staff go back and write and re-write treatment paperwork with ONE GOAL in mind: Continue to circumvent the penalty and continue to get what they wanted: a loophole to get them out from under a longer playing relationship with Hossa, probably agreed upon at th exit meetings.

This is all about business. They love Hossa. They will use him back home to make the Blackhawks a possible destination for palyers, and as a

By retiring, they take a hit, but by attempting several thoughts of a comeback, they can stretch this out maybe the entire length of the contract or until they start the the disolution at the true core at some point while the contract is on the books.
All that was done was ballsy, imo.

They are not a better team but they are extending the chance to stay in the hunt and if you all want to think additions are coming from the outside, wait until the season begins and the deadline yet again approaches.

The one thing this management team and the so called "weak" GM can be counted on is to continue to surprise with bold attempts.
Compare that to Garth Snow and other GMs and tell me that is not enough....

And just think for a moment how lucky we were...that the early chosen, Toews and Kane wren't flops or ordinary.
Look over rosters and check out how many of the "NHL budding stars/young guns" are STILL JUST THAT: budding.

So many things have to fall in place to win, including play-off match ups. And when you see the 4th overall player being an undersized defenseman from the ALBERTA junior, you know the league is ignoring many of the facets you all grew up thinking were the games attributes...being a physical defenseman, being big enough, and using size over reflexes, tec.

Or that we presently HAVE an in-house developed goalie!

Look around the league and you will see how so many teams have tried to get it right, tried advancing their developing guys, and using duos, and those teams flatlining in may game because of the goaltending.

You want to know why Joe Sakic and Colorado "isn't doing anything?"

It is they haven't found the bold move that actually will make a difference in righting the ship, the player's attitudes, and the fan's perceptions.

You have to wonder if DeBrincat, Darling and Hammer were discussed with them.

It seems that as a GM you can spin that type of move as an upgrade.

Then again would that move have fit wjat the Hawks need in cap wiggle?

Probably not.

and now, with Grigorenko going home to Russia, they have a lot less to show for their cap relief/ boot of O'Reilly to the Sabres with McGinn...
Sure they still have young American, Compher, and young Russian, Zadorov to sell but Sabres have O'Reilly, right?

I am just illustrating that teams can be gun shy or have trouble with finding trade fits or they can actually get on the phone and be creative....


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