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RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Jun 26 @ 11:34 PM ET
Thanks DK, I'm well enough. Hope you and yours are too........ The bolded says it all. There is so much clutter fixing or adapting to the terms and NMC of the core has to be a slow steady process that chips away and the two moves just made seem to be just that. Some ifs have to come through but at least StanBow has begun and in a big way, not working the fringes. ........

For whatever reason it seems StanBow has matured or grown sick of the bureaucracy (Daley run out, Weise sat, working the fringes) and has started the work of reconfiguring the core, addressing the cap and still staying relevant while maybe expanding a bit the closing window of the core.

- Mr Ricochet


It will be vey interesting to see how Q reacts to all of the personnel changes and how he deals with the new 'talent'. I'm assuming he isn't pleased, but his job is to coach and make it work, not dwell on players who have come and gone. On the other hand, Bowman has no choice but to try and reconfigure this squad, his job depends on it because everybody in hockey saw how the Preds exposed them.
glennjpawlak22
Joined: 11.26.2013

Jun 26 @ 11:35 PM ET
I caught my FIL using this on my MIL's iPhone...


- riozzo


i want this for my car!!!! direct line to JJ.....
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Jun 26 @ 11:52 PM ET
I get they only pay for the days left until the season... which implies a daily cap allotment. In my example above, the team could only pick up the $10,000 a day player for 40 days if all they have is $400,000 in space. 41 days = $410,000, so now they can't do it.

I imagine the same thing must be the case for ELC's, too. Average cap hit for the year for an ELC is somewhere around $800,000. Over a 200-day season, that's $4000 in savings a day. So if you send one of them down for 5 days over the all-star break, the team recoups $20,000.

Going back to the above example again, the team now has $420,000 to spend and could pick up the player 42 days before the end of the season.

But now the big question... how the hell does this work in the offseason? One of the main options is "using the cap space from Hossa's LTIR now but not being able to make moves at the trade deadline." I feel like if I understand exactly what the quote means in terms of actual numbers, I would understand the salary cap... Alas...

- DMChi2010


So if you send one of them down for 5 days over the all-star break, the team recoups $20,000.

....And the Hawks used this method to a tee back in 2009-2011 or so...Young guys would get called up and play a game or two and then would be sent down and come back a few days later.

As far sa the last paragraph I don't know the exact answer but all signs point to the Hawks not putting Hossa on LTIR until the season begins. Also, I don't think they try to ttrade the contract before next summer.

Lastly, the big unknown is what the NHL will rule-tweak or not on this situation....And only God knows that answer.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Jun 26 @ 11:54 PM ET
It will be vey interesting to see how Q reacts to all of the personnel changes and how he deals with the new 'talent'. I'm assuming he isn't pleased, but his job is to coach and make it work, not dwell on players who have come and gone. On the other hand, Bowman has no choice but to try and reconfigure this squad, his job depends on it because everybody in hockey saw how the Preds exposed them.
- RickJ


I used the same words today...The Preds exposed them.
Bowman did what he could which he will hope is what was needed. The two players from a contract standpoint who made the most sense to deal were traded. As I said today the NHL is league where GM's trade who they can, not necessarily who they want.
Tuke17
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: TX
Joined: 12.27.2011

Jun 27 @ 12:01 AM ET
If Stan wants to keep with the IL theme, he could take a flyer on Stefan Matteau who was not QO'd by MTL.

Speaking of MTL, I think they will be the destination for AA if Stan is looking for LW help. Candidates include:

Galchenyuk
Byron
Lehkonen
Hudon

- TyCamScore


You're probably correct but I still think E. Kane's name is still being kicked around by Stan & Co.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 27 @ 12:03 AM ET
Actually, it is there own fault if this did happen. Think about it, if the rule was never changed, Hossa would most likely retire this season, or next, and he would be done with hockey. Now, since they screwed around, he has the opportunity to come back during the playoffs. Talk about a kick in the pants, how bright are these league suits?
- powerenforcer


After the Hossa front load longer contracts than most guys(and other sneaky Kovlychuck type) deals were first consumated the league wanted to not squelch that loophole type deal, because they knew the much smaller amounts the guys were being paid meant early retirement would be an easy walkaway for the teams...

The league punished the Hawks and others who appeaed to have circumvented the league's salary cap by adding the heavey buyout restriction for retiring early.

It remains to be seen if the league is buying the sudden sick leave by Hossa, and it is not a given the hawks GET that extra Cap money.
They are going to do an extentive investigation, and I bet they will want to examine Hossa before giving the Hawks more Cap space.

You have to admit it is might funny there was no announcement MADE until weeks after the Hawks were done cleaning out their lockers. It is almost as if the exted meeting pointed to team speed and that Hossa MIGHT have asked to retire, or all this just transpired as we see it.

But Hossa returning for the playoff? Well that would be akin to a dealine deal without going anything up. Preety sure the league office would feel played.
Tuke17
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: TX
Joined: 12.27.2011

Jun 27 @ 12:07 AM ET
It will be vey interesting to see how Q reacts to all of the personnel changes and how he deals with the new 'talent'. I'm assuming he isn't pleased, but his job is to coach and make it work, not dwell on players who have come and gone. On the other hand, Bowman has no choice but to try and reconfigure this squad, his job depends on it because everybody in hockey saw how the Preds exposed them.
- RickJ



Reminds me of the 02' Oakland A's and Art Howe butting heads with Billy Beane over the linup. IIRC, Beane traded off a couple of Howe's favorites to send a message.
AusHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Melbourne
Joined: 11.25.2015

Jun 27 @ 12:18 AM ET
What does one have to do to get a Reto Von Arx mention around here?
matt_ahrens
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Carlos, CA
Joined: 06.30.2014

Jun 27 @ 12:33 AM ET
Reminds me of the 02' Oakland A's and Art Howe butting heads with Billy Beane over the linup. IIRC, Beane traded off a couple of Howe's favorites to send a message.
- Tuke17


Well, the movie kind of twisted the reality of it. Jeremy Giambi was traded May 22nd as a signal to the clubhouse that they needed to focus. Carlos Pena was traded July 5th (not the same day as Giambi as the movie suggests) and it wasn't because Hatteberg wasn't playing (he had been DHing,) it was because they thought they would be a better team after the trade with the new players and Hatteberg at first. And they were right. So that whole story line of Billy Beane being upset that Pena was playing at 1st instead of Hatteberg isn't really true. But it is true that Billy Beane and Art Howe didn't like each other and the team was led by Beane, not Howe.

As it relates to the Blackhawks, Q was partially right that StanBo's job is to look longer term. But Stan needs to give Q a roster that can win a championship by the TDL each season. The team is strongest when both the GM and HQ are strong and have respect for each other. If StanBo is asserting himself more now AND making good hockey decisions, that's good for the team overall. Q will adjust and get the most out of the team.
Tuke17
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: TX
Joined: 12.27.2011

Jun 27 @ 1:36 AM ET
Well, the movie kind of twisted the reality of it. Jeremy Giambi was traded May 22nd as a signal to the clubhouse that they needed to focus. Carlos Pena was traded July 5th (not the same day as Giambi as the movie suggests) and it wasn't because Hatteberg wasn't playing (he had been DHing,) it was because they thought they would be a better team after the trade with the new players and Hatteberg at first. And they were right. So that whole story line of Billy Beane being upset that Pena was playing at 1st instead of Hatteberg isn't really true. But it is true that Billy Beane and Art Howe didn't like each other and the team was led by Beane, not Howe.

As it relates to the Blackhawks, Q was partially right that StanBo's job is to look longer term. But Stan needs to give Q a roster that can win a championship by the TDL each season. The team is strongest when both the GM and HQ are strong and have respect for each other. If StanBo is asserting himself more now AND making good hockey decisions, that's good for the team overall. Q will adjust and get the most out of the team.

- matt_ahrens



Never seen "Moneyball" as I suspect that is the movie you are referring to as nearly EVERY baseball movie ever made has sucked with the possible exception of "Eight Men Out". I just remember hearing about and reading articles around the time of their winning streak that season about Howe and Beane not really caring for each other too much and their differing opinions on baseball "philosophy" for lack of a better word.

I think Q may have gotten somewhat of a big head with the success the team had and maybe started making some demands for certain players to be brought in that Stan didn't quite agree with. Or maybe Stan was doing something similar to Q. Either way, there should always be a discussion regarding potential add on,s between GM and coaches but there also still needs to be that division of labor
ikeane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jun 27 @ 5:51 AM ET
What does one have to do to get a Reto Von Arx mention around here?
- AusHawk


What about 1st round saviour Eric Lecompte?
AusHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Melbourne
Joined: 11.25.2015

Jun 27 @ 6:07 AM ET
What about 1st round saviour Eric Lecompte?
- ikeane


I'll see you, and raise you a Pavel Vorobyev and Ty Jones
ikeane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jun 27 @ 6:23 AM ET
Stefan Matteau joins Nail Yakupov as the second 2012 1st RD pick who didn't receive a Qualifying Offer today, meaning they'll be UFA July 1. https://t.co/NrKmByELfj

Worth a look for bottom lines?
ikeane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jun 27 @ 6:24 AM ET
I'll see you, and raise you a Pavel Vorobyev and Ty Jones
- AusHawk


Dmitri Nabokov and 90s olympic hero ray leblanc
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jun 27 @ 7:02 AM ET
Dmitri Nabokov and 90s olympic hero ray leblanc
- ikeane


Tony Salmelainan, Josef Marha, and Everett Sanipass...
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Jun 27 @ 7:03 AM ET
Ray "Spider" McKay
DMChi2010
Joined: 06.03.2014

Jun 27 @ 7:15 AM ET
As it relates to the Blackhawks, Q was partially right that StanBo's job is to look longer term. But Stan needs to give Q a roster that can win a championship by the TDL each season. The team is strongest when both the GM and HQ are strong and have respect for each other. If StanBo is asserting himself more now AND making good hockey decisions, that's good for the team overall. Q will adjust and get the most out of the team.
- matt_ahrens


Not sure about Q's adjustments... I just don't see how he doesn't get canned this year or at least relieved of his head coaching duties and sent upstairs as some ambassador so Rocky doesn't have to pay off his contract.


Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Jun 27 @ 7:26 AM ET
Tony Salmelainan, Josef Marha, and Everett Sanipass...
- HawkintheD

You guys are killing me. If JJ can get a comparable in a blog for Dave Logan, Tim Trimper or Ted Bulley I'll buy him a drink.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jun 27 @ 7:32 AM ET
Not sure about Q's adjustments... I just don't see how he doesn't get canned this year or at least relieved of his head coaching duties and sent upstairs as some ambassador so Rocky doesn't have to pay off his contract.
- DMChi2010


They had better be very careful about firing a popular head coach who has won (I think) the third most championships of any head coach in Chicago history - one of only four who have multiple titles.
Marlowe
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wild Wild West, IL
Joined: 06.29.2014

Jun 27 @ 7:56 AM ET
They had better be very careful about firing a popular head coach who has won (I think) the third most championships of any head coach in Chicago history - one of only four who have multiple titles.
- StLBravesFan

And the second winningest coach in NHL history who is still very much in his prime. No way Q goes upstairs. The compete in that man if the Hawks dumped him early would, I think, cause him to go somewhere else to coach and prove how wrong the decision was to let him go.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jun 27 @ 7:59 AM ET
And the second winningest coach in NHL history who is still very much in his prime. No way Q goes upstairs. The compete in that man if the Hawks dumped him early would, I think, cause him to go somewhere else to coach and prove how wrong the decision was to let him go.
- Marlowe


He's also starting a three-year $18MM deal - hard for either side to give up on that.
golfbard
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NY
Joined: 06.22.2007

Jun 27 @ 8:00 AM ET
Tony Salmelainan, Josef Marha, and Everett Sanipass...
- HawkintheD



Adam Munro can back up Ray LeBlanc. Gerald Diduck is our 7th D.
Goalie-33
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.01.2017

Jun 27 @ 8:05 AM ET
Stefan Matteau joins Nail Yakupov as the second 2012 1st RD pick who didn't receive a Qualifying Offer today, meaning they'll be UFA July 1. https://t.co/NrKmByELfj

Worth a look for bottom lines?

- ikeane



NO! Both stink!

Matteau would get cut from Rockford. BRUTAL.




Psenerch
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 05.16.2015

Jun 27 @ 8:16 AM ET
I'll see you, and raise you a Pavel Vorobyev and Ty Jones
- AusHawk


You can't bring up Vorobiev and not mikhail Yakubov. Total waste of a first round.
golfbard
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NY
Joined: 06.22.2007

Jun 27 @ 8:18 AM ET
NO! Both stink!

Matteau would get cut from Rockford. BRUTAL.

- Goalie-33



I agree especially Yakupov who is a flat out bust. He was in and out of the lineup last year and a change of scenery just didn't work. He's Alexander Daigle 2.0.
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