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Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Jun 26 @ 9:44 PM ET
Excellent work as always, Al.
- Hank_Greenberg


Thanks Hebrew Hammer!

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Psenerch
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 05.16.2015

Jun 26 @ 9:45 PM ET
Mikhail Grigiorenko and Brett Connolly did NOT get a Qualifying Offer. Any interest in Grigiorenko??
- EnzoD


If it was for league minimum Grigorenko wouldn't be a bad add. I believe he was over 56% on draws last year.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Jun 26 @ 9:46 PM ET
Toss in a few pony updates and I am in!
- riozzo



lol...Now you are singing my song for sure.
DMChi2010
Joined: 06.03.2014

Jun 26 @ 9:49 PM ET
Yes, trading a player who would be on LTIR for the remainder of their contract is the best option.

If they can't do that, then there's a lot of mechanics that go into how they can use the cap space. If they wait to put him on LTIR day 1, then they already need to have been under the cap with him included on the roster. If they place him on LTIR at the end of training camp, they have to have "already fully replaced the unfit-to-play Player with any Player or Players on the Opening Day Roster." So they can use his cap hit relief but there's no real flexibility here in-season.

- L_B_R


Does this have something to do with a daily cap allotment? For instance, a $2,000,000 AAV over a 200-day season would be a daily cap hit of $10,000. Is that correct?

I am guessing there must be something like this because trades at the TDL are often talked about in the context of making the deal only after waiting as long as possible.

For instance, suppose your team has a projected $400,000 available in cap space from the TDL until the end of the season. Say you are acquiring the $2M contract above with a daily cap hit of $10,000, then you can only have that player on your roster for 40 days.

Is this right?
riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 26 @ 9:52 PM ET
Does this have something to do with a daily cap allotment? For instance, a $2,000,000 AAV over a 200-day season would be a daily cap hit of $10,000. Is that correct?

I am guessing there must be something like this because trades at the TDL are often talked about in the context of making the deal only after waiting as long as possible.

For instance, suppose your team has a projected $400,000 available in cap space from the TDL until the end of the season. Say you are acquiring the $2M contract above with a daily cap hit of $10,000, then you can only have that player on your roster for 40 days.

Is this right?

- DMChi2010



I have given up trying to figure this out. It would be easier to teach my 83 year old FIL how to use an iPad
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Jun 26 @ 9:55 PM ET
Does this have something to do with a daily cap allotment? For instance, a $2,000,000 AAV over a 200-day season would be a daily cap hit of $10,000. Is that correct?

I am guessing there must be something like this because trades at the TDL are often talked about in the context of making the deal only after waiting as long as possible.

For instance, suppose your team has a projected $400,000 available in cap space from the TDL until the end of the season. Say you are acquiring the $2M contract above with a daily cap hit of $10,000, then you can only have that player on your roster for 40 days.

Is this right?

- DMChi2010


I am guessing there must be something like this because trades at the TDL are often talked about in the context of making the deal only after waiting as long as possible.

The available cap space stays the same it doesn't change, the reason for waiting is the acquiring club pays for only days left until the end of the season. Is that what you mean?
DK002
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Evanston, IL
Joined: 06.12.2012

Jun 26 @ 9:56 PM ET
Rome wasn't built in a day and neither was the cap mess that HE made. I like the start though, I really do. ..... No he didn't get cap relief on the Saad deal but he did 2 years out when the Cossack would need to be paid. Same for Murphy and at an even bigger savings of 2 mil per. ......And he still has the Hossa money in his back pocket I hope he spends like it's his communion money.
- Mr Ricochet


Hey Mr. R...hope you're well sir...As you point out Bowman has created this over time...there's been a build of bad moves during the last few offseasons and TDLs...could Stan finally have turned the corner? I'm praying this is the case. I love the Saad move and have stated so. I was in Tampa when Panarin on the 3 on 3 in the OT this spring turned it over and knew it was in the back of our net. The Breadman is a great playmaker, but doesn't play defense...nuf said.

At the same time who were the Hawks bidding against for Panik's services? Panik and his agent couldn't believe their lucky stars and jumped at Bowman's first offer...granted this isn't McD - Soriano money, but c'mon...and we both know if not for CC's NMC Darling would be your starter right now on a hometown discount. When you start adding it all up it kills your depth and what your able to do.

I'm intrigued with Murphy coming in...hated losing Hammer, but the Wizard of the NMCs had everyone else locked up. I also am thrilled they jettisoned Kitchen's PK... Can Ulf help not only Murphy but the other kids as well?

Meanwhile the Pens have won back to back Cups and have cap space going into free agency...

Bowman has a lot of work to do here...let's hope he gets moving...
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Jun 26 @ 10:00 PM ET
I haven't seen much of him, but he's got better underlying numbers on a worse team than Kero did with the Hawks as a 4C.
- L_B_R

I don't think Joe Sakic spent one second looking at Grigorenko's numbers before deciding not to QO him. He saw him live up close. And the Sabres thought the same when they dumped him. That's 2 of the worst teams in the NHL. As a pro he belongs in the ECHL at best, he's terrible.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 26 @ 10:03 PM ET
Mikhail Grigiorenko and Brett Connolly did NOT get a Qualifying Offer. Any interest in Grigiorenko??
- EnzoD


Connolly just re-signed with the Caps.

Grigiorenko might certainly be worth a shot, assuming he signs for a contract that can be fully buried in Rockford.
DMChi2010
Joined: 06.03.2014

Jun 26 @ 10:07 PM ET
Does this have something to do with a daily cap allotment? For instance, a $2,000,000 AAV over a 200-day season would be a daily cap hit of $10,000. Is that correct?

I am guessing there must be something like this because trades at the TDL are often talked about in the context of making the deal only after waiting as long as possible.

For instance, suppose your team has a projected $400,000 available in cap space from the TDL until the end of the season. Say you are acquiring the $2M contract above with a daily cap hit of $10,000, then you can only have that player on your roster for 40 days.

Is this right?

- DMChi2010


I am guessing there must be something like this because trades at the TDL are often talked about in the context of making the deal only after waiting as long as possible.

The available cap space stays the same it doesn't change, the reason for waiting is the acquiring club pays for only days left until the end of the season. Is that what you mean?

- Al


I get they only pay for the days left until the season... which implies a daily cap allotment. In my example above, the team could only pick up the $10,000 a day player for 40 days if all they have is $400,000 in space. 41 days = $410,000, so now they can't do it.

I imagine the same thing must be the case for ELC's, too. Average cap hit for the year for an ELC is somewhere around $800,000. Over a 200-day season, that's $4000 in savings a day. So if you send one of them down for 5 days over the all-star break, the team recoups $20,000.

Going back to the above example again, the team now has $420,000 to spend and could pick up the player 42 days before the end of the season.

But now the big question... how the hell does this work in the offseason? One of the main options is "using the cap space from Hossa's LTIR now but not being able to make moves at the trade deadline." I feel like if I understand exactly what the quote means in terms of actual numbers, I would understand the salary cap... Alas...
ObeseOprah
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.17.2014

Jun 26 @ 10:10 PM ET
What RFAs haven't received qualifying offers?
TyCamScore
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.09.2010

Jun 26 @ 10:10 PM ET
Connolly just re-signed with the Caps.

Grigiorenko might certainly be worth a shot, assuming he signs for a contract that can be fully buried in Rockford.

- DarthKane


If Stan wants to keep with the IL theme, he could take a flyer on Stefan Matteau who was not QO'd by MTL.

Speaking of MTL, I think they will be the destination for AA if Stan is looking for LW help. Candidates include:

Galchenyuk
Byron
Lehkonen
Hudon

DMChi2010
Joined: 06.03.2014

Jun 26 @ 10:11 PM ET
I have given up trying to figure this out. It would be easier to teach my 83 year old FIL how to use an iPad
- riozzo


Even worse with the MIL
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Jun 26 @ 10:20 PM ET
Thanks..never thought too much about it but it is an interesting idea.
- Al


I'd ante up.
riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 26 @ 10:22 PM ET
Even worse with the MIL
- DMChi2010

I caught my FIL using this on my MIL's iPhone...

mudhawk13
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 06.26.2017

Jun 26 @ 10:23 PM ET
Hi JJ et all, finally decided to join in. Been watching the Hawks since '78 & loved the old Norris matchups on HNIC (got LeafsTV on watching CHI play the last game at the Gardens back in '99 - Gilmore in Red & Stumpy in blue & white).

Looking at the "bottom of the barrel" list the one name that jumps out to me is Sam Gagner, but mostly because he got 8 points on us that one game. I know he's not the youngest (27) or the biggest (5'11") and he's been hurt a bit the last few years but he had a descent run with CBJ with 47% at the dot an 50 pts. Plays C/LW, and could be a very "cost effective" pickup. Passes more than he shoots...?
JRoenick97
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spokane, WA
Joined: 07.20.2012

Jun 26 @ 10:25 PM ET
Hi JJ et all, finally decided to join in. Been watching the Hawks since '78 & loved the old Norris matchups on HNIC (got LeafsTV on watching CHI play the last game at the Gardens back in '99 - Gilmore in Red & Stumpy in blue & white).

Looking at the "bottom of the barrel" list the one name that jumps out to me is Sam Gagner, but mostly because he got 8 points on us that one game. I know he's not the youngest (27) or the biggest (5'11") and he's been hurt a bit the last few years but he had a descent run with CBJ with 47% at the dot an 50 pts. Plays C/LW, and could be a very "cost effective" pickup. Passes more than he shoots...?

- mudhawk13

History with Kaner too, but might be looking for more cash after last year.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 26 @ 10:27 PM ET
What do you think of Folin? I was hoping they might snag him as a college free agent. Not sure he is Q's type of d man. Had some really bad games in the POs.

If Despres has a chance I would really like to see them take a flyer on him.

- tredbrta


With today's bottom 3 consisting of 3 guys having 50ish NHL games experience between them IMO a guy like Brodin is very very interesting, especially just realizing he's a right handed shot and is 6ft 3in 215lbs. ...... He doesn't skate many minutes so I haven't seen much of him but found him to be fine the few times I've seen him. Saw him live a few times and like an NFL linemen he didn't stand out so he was not screwing up.

MN is deep at the position. Suter skating 27 minutes a night, Scandella, Brodin, Spurgeon, Dumba and Reilly looking for minutes. .... Looks like a numbers game. 120 NHL games, good size, comes out of a good program, right handed shot. Lot for the Hawks to like IMO considering their bottom 3 right now.

I like that Percy Stuart kid too. Hawks did ok with their last castoff, Panik.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 26 @ 10:33 PM ET
Thanks..never thought too much about it but it is an interesting idea.
- Al


Seriously Al. I'm assuming the start up equipment can't be too expensive, you have name recognition, credibility in the Hawks/hockey community, some inside contacts, plenty of peers who would be interested in helping and Hockey Buzz/JJ's blog to get the word out....... Seems like a pretty fair foundation.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 26 @ 10:37 PM ET
If Stan wants to keep with the IL theme, he could take a flyer on Stefan Matteau who was not QO'd by MTL.

Speaking of MTL, I think they will be the destination for AA if Stan is looking for LW help. Candidates include:

Galchenyuk
Byron
Lehkonen
Hudon

- TyCamScore


Realistically the Hawks won't sign any of these guys who didn't get a QO. At most one or two may get a PTO at training camp.

I don't know where Anisimov could be traded to, but I was wouldn't be surprised to see him go. If the target is Galchenyuk then I would expect he'll sign for less than $4.55 to make it worth while for Stan.
wonthecup10
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 02.05.2008

Jun 26 @ 10:38 PM ET
Lazerus


Team mouthpiece

life scumbag


How the (frank) are you going to write an article about team forecasts when the roster isn't even set ? If you are going to write an article in the summer about the line up you should at least wait till free agency is a week old..

- mrpaulish



He's a dich, ya know, between the 2main papers in Chicago, Neither has good coverage, they both stink. LaZerus wouldn't know the difference between a hockey skate and figure skate if it kicked him right in the ass , and Kuc , he's too busy sniffing around Tracy and the other kid has his own agenda . The only one worth reading is Rosenbloom in the trib. I would love to see Adam Jahns get the Hawk gig back for the times instead of that dork Lazerus. Boy do we miss Timmy Sassone!
Get , if you don't have it already some Sirius/XM Radio and listen to the NHL channel if you want some good honest coverage instead of a bunch of kiss asses that know nothing more than to come to the UC and stuff their faces every game on Rocky's dime.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 26 @ 10:43 PM ET
Hey Mr. R...hope you're well sir...As you point out Bowman has created this over time...there's been a build of bad moves during the last few offseasons and TDLs...could Stan finally have turned the corner? I'm praying this is the case. I love the Saad move and have stated so. I was in Tampa when Panarin on the 3 on 3 in the OT this spring turned it over and knew it was in the back of our net. The Breadman is a great playmaker, but doesn't play defense...nuf said.

At the same time who were the Hawks bidding against for Panik's services? Panik and his agent couldn't believe their lucky stars and jumped at Bowman's first offer...granted this isn't McD - Soriano money, but c'mon...and we both know if not for CC's NMC Darling would be your starter right now on a hometown discount. When you start adding it all up it kills your depth and what your able to do.

I'm intrigued with Murphy coming in...hated losing Hammer, but the Wizard of the NMCs had everyone else locked up. I also am thrilled they jettisoned Kitchen's PK... Can Ulf help not only Murphy but the other kids as well?

Meanwhile the Pens have won back to back Cups and have cap space going into free agency...

Bowman has a lot of work to do here...let's hope he gets moving...

- DK002


Thanks DK, I'm well enough. Hope you and yours are too........ The bolded says it all. There is so much clutter fixing or adapting to the terms and NMC of the core has to be a slow steady process that chips away and the two moves just made seem to be just that. Some ifs have to come through but at least StanBow has begun and in a big way, not working the fringes. ........

For whatever reason it seems StanBow has matured or grown sick of the bureaucracy (Daley run out, Weise sat, working the fringes) and has started the work of reconfiguring the core, addressing the cap and still staying relevant while maybe expanding a bit the closing window of the core.
TTtime
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.17.2015

Jun 26 @ 11:05 PM ET
Realistically the Hawks won't sign any of these guys who didn't get a QO. At most one or two may get a PTO at training camp.

I don't know where Anisimov could be traded to, but I was wouldn't be surprised to see him go. If the target is Galchenyuk then I would expect he'll sign for less than $4.55 to make it worth while for Stan.

- DarthKane

Nor should they.IMHO!!
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Jun 26 @ 11:14 PM ET
If Stan wants to keep with the IL theme, he could take a flyer on Stefan Matteau who was not QO'd by MTL.

Speaking of MTL, I think they will be the destination for AA if Stan is looking for LW help. Candidates include:

Galchenyuk
Byron
Lehkonen
Hudon

- TyCamScore

No E Kane?
jb3333
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 03.27.2013

Jun 26 @ 11:19 PM ET
Ha-- got a chuckle looking at the throwback names guys are referencing here-- heres a few suspects from days gone by---- Hawks want speed? Remember Kenny Yaremchuck-- Tony Tanti or Bobby Sheehan? You want face off proficiency-- Terry Ruskowski -- Kirk Bowman or Glen Sharpley. BLASTS from the Past--
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