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Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Jun 16 @ 6:26 PM ET
I tried to find evidence of that, but I dont think its true. This year's D were moved for peanuts compared to the cost to acquire Gudbranson:

Streit - two trades, but weak returns
Oduya - C propsect, conditional 4th
Brendan Smith - 2nd and 3rd round picks
Benn - C prospect, 4th rd
Hainsey - Kristo, 2nd rd pick
Stone - 3rd and conditional 5th rd picks
Shattenkirk - 2 prospects, 1st and conditional 2nd rd picks

Of those guys moved, I think Smith is the most comparable player and those picks are not equivalent to what VAN paid FLA IMO

- WhiteLie


This last weak and buyer limited TDL, Vegas expansion draft factor, aside, you are undervaluing Guddy a great deal by Smith comparison. He's closer in value, not as same type, but for impact as Shattenkirk. Look at that haul. So even less like 1 prospect, 1st and say 3rd would be more.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jun 16 @ 6:27 PM ET
Except that he can 'show' all he wants and the name walk. Now we've got 40 games to resign or trade him or lose him for nothing. JB gave up all leverage here
- neem55


So worst case scenario is that Gudbranson becomes Willie Mitchell 2.0 and walks into UFA because he either wants too much money or doesn't want to sign in Van?

All that signing him to a 2 year does in that scenario is delay this by one year.

Crazybagoham
Joined: 06.27.2014

Jun 16 @ 6:28 PM ET
I tried to find evidence of that, but I dont think its true. This year's D were moved for peanuts compared to the cost to acquire Gudbranson:

Streit - two trades, but weak returns
Oduya - C propsect, conditional 4th
Brendan Smith - 2nd and 3rd round picks
Benn - C prospect, 4th rd
Hainsey - Kristo, 2nd rd pick
Stone - 3rd and conditional 5th rd picks
Shattenkirk - 2 prospects, 1st and conditional 2nd rd picks

Of those guys moved, I think Smith is the most comparable player and those picks are not equivalent to what VAN paid FLA IMO

- WhiteLie



Completely agree, the shattenkirk deal was fair. But the last couple of seasons,99% of teams just aren't willing to pay a lot for a rentals. Too many teams got burned by paying too much for useless rentals (Vancouver Canucks)
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Jun 16 @ 6:30 PM ET
Completely agree, the shattenkirk deal was fair. But the last couple of seasons,99% of teams just aren't willing to pay a lot for a rentals. Too many teams got burned by paying too much for useless rentals (Vancouver Canucks)
- Crazybagoham



So the Burr and Hansen trades were mirages?!?

Teams are usually hampered at TDL because of cap and contract. Why there are less deals when players of value come with hefty term. They can't make it work to make offer.
Crazybagoham
Joined: 06.27.2014

Jun 16 @ 6:30 PM ET
This last weak and buyer limited TDL, Vegas expansion draft factor, aside, you are undervaluing Guddy a great deal by Smith comparison. He's closer in value, not as same type, but for impact as Shattenkirk. Look at that haul. So even less like 1 prospect, 1st and say 3rd would be more.
- Nuck4U


if this is his nickname it needs to stop. I hate all these awful hockey nicknames: Millsy, Dorsey (yeah I heard Dorsey once). Just makes the players sound like unintelligent children.
Crazybagoham
Joined: 06.27.2014

Jun 16 @ 6:32 PM ET
So the Burr and Hansen trades were mirages?!?

Teams are usually hampered at TDL because of cap and contract. Why there are less deals when players of value come with hefty term. They can't make it work to make offer.

- Nuck4U


Uhm no, but Ottawa got ripped off and Hansen wasn't a rental
smart GMs don't touch rentals.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Jun 16 @ 6:33 PM ET
if this is his nickname it needs to stop. I hate all these awful hockey nicknames: Millsy, Dorsey (yeah I heard Dorsey once). Just makes the players sound like unintelligent children.
- Crazybagoham



That's the NHL culture. Launch a campaign to get them to stop then.
Crazybagoham
Joined: 06.27.2014

Jun 16 @ 6:34 PM ET
That's the NHL culture. Launch a campaign to get them to stop then.
- Nuck4U


last time I checked you weren't in the NHL

Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Jun 16 @ 6:36 PM ET
last time I checked you weren't in the NHL
- Crazybagoham



How do you know Look it's from the players. I didn't make it up. Just like all their lets short it to a y nicknames. Start the campaign to get them to change their ways.
Crazybagoham
Joined: 06.27.2014

Jun 16 @ 6:37 PM ET
How do you know Look it's from the players. I didn't make it up. Just like all their lets short it to a y nicknames. Start the campaign to get them to change their ways.
- Nuck4U


Ilya Bryzgalov?

Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Jun 16 @ 6:41 PM ET
Ilya Bryzgalov?
- Crazybagoham


What is it about Bryzy?
Crazybagoham
Joined: 06.27.2014

Jun 16 @ 6:42 PM ET
What about Bryzy?
- Nuck4U

flagged.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Jun 16 @ 6:45 PM ET
flagged.
- Crazybagoham


Y chromosomes should get flagged. Bunch of pussies.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jun 16 @ 6:48 PM ET
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jun 16 @ 6:54 PM ET
last time I checked you weren't in the NHL
- Crazybagoham


This has been a great blog so far with Nucky and Hammy having good convos, with Whitey and belchy adding the odd comment
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Jun 16 @ 6:57 PM ET
This last weak and buyer limited TDL, Vegas expansion draft factor, aside, you are undervaluing Guddy a great deal by Smith comparison. He's closer in value, not as same type, but for impact as Shattenkirk. Look at that haul. So even less like 1 prospect, 1st and say 3rd would be more.
- Nuck4U


Shattenkirk>EG all day every day, except the price they paid was similar to what EG cost VAN

We can even try 2016 if you like:
JM Liles - prospect, 3rd and 5th rd picks
Gelinas - 3rd rd pick
Russell - 2 prospects, conditional 2nd
Schultz - 3rd rd pick
Kindl - 6th rd pick

Russell had a nice return, but I dont think Gudbranson has the same reputation. Even so, I dont think Jokipakka (traded away), Pollock (ECHLer) and a conditional 2nd (I dont think they got) is a better than McCann, 2nd and 4th
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Jun 16 @ 7:00 PM ET
This has been a great blog so far with Nucky and Hammy having good convos, with Whitey and belchy adding the odd comment
- Makita


the new avatar threw me off at first, didnt realize who I was conversing with... but its 4PM on a Friday which means I am leaving work and logging off regurgitate/recycle/hysteria-buzz for the night/weekend.

Cheers fellas!
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jun 16 @ 7:16 PM ET
Pretty elite blog Carol
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 16 @ 7:18 PM ET
if this is his nickname it needs to stop. I hate all these awful hockey nicknames: Millsy, Dorsey (yeah I heard Dorsey once). Just makes the players sound like unintelligent children.
- Crazybagoham



Nah it was all Tortarella to begin with IMO
djlarose
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Burlington, VT
Joined: 06.29.2011

Jun 16 @ 7:22 PM ET
The only time they get "creative" is if a guy has a name that already fits the ends in y scheme. Fleury for example. They call him Flower.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jun 16 @ 7:24 PM ET
This has been a great blog so far with Nucky and Hammy having good convos, with Whitey and belchy adding the odd comment
- Makita


Will I now be referred to as Reuby or Cadey?
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jun 16 @ 7:27 PM ET
Will I now be referred to as Reuby or Cadey?
- Reubenkincade


i'll save Marwood a couple seconds here...flagged.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jun 16 @ 7:30 PM ET
i'll save Marwood a couple seconds here...flagged.
- dbot


First time flagged as far as I know.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jun 16 @ 7:35 PM ET
i'll save Marwood a couple seconds here...flagged.
- dbot

Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jun 16 @ 7:35 PM ET
First time flagged as far as I know.
- Reubenkincade

No it's not.
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