- Mordecai

Needs more anger.

Needs more anger.
- RafiDRW

- Mordecai

Yes. Yes! Let the hate flow through you!!

Yes. Yes! Let the hate flow through you!!
- RafiDRW

Still pulling the old "can't believe you thought i meant it, it was all a big joke haha" card, eh Tanner?
That's your old go - to when without cohesive argument.

I am betting this worn shock jock ploy and the recent barrage of inciting political views and hockey drivel is probably stemmed from the caps blogging position being as dull and non controversial as blogging can get.

Really, how are you gainful employed?

It's not about the teachers not putting in effort. It's the fact that the system doesn't allow leniency for teaching. It's all for test scores. The money needs to be there, the cuts are (frank)ing stupid. But the whole teaching for testing is ruining a generation.
- RafiDRW

To be fair, Fox News has brainwashed an entire generation - and it's the baby boomers, who make up the biggest demographic of anyone - and Trump won specifically because of old people, so while education is not perfect, it's not the main problem either.

Charter schools are a scam, teaching to testing is a bad idea, and more people need to be able to go to college or university without drowning in debt.

But the main problem continues to be the media - there's too much corporate money in media and there is not enough trust in the media (for good reason). Fox is the biggest issue because of how it's misinformation, but other outlets are not perfect.

The death of print and the rise of the internet certainly plays a part - it's all really complicated and interconnected - but Fox News has turned a lot of people insane.

If the teachers union was truly interested in the best interests of their students, they wouldn't so fiercely oppose school choice. They wouldn't oppose school voucher systems nor would they oppose expansion of private and/or charter schools.
- quackup

This is very disingenuous. Hardly any educated, informed people support charter schools or voucher systems because the data shows they don't work and favor rich white people. To blame teachers unions - the old right wing boogey man - is hilarious.

Absolutely agree. Privatize the education industry.
- Mordecai

Hilarious. Name me one thing previously run by the government that was improved by privatization. The privatization of anything is about one thing and one thing only: unfettered greed.

What we need is a bigger government and less privatization.

This is very disingenuous. Hardly any educated, informed people support charter schools or voucher systems because the data shows they don't work and favor rich white people. To blame teachers unions - the old right wing boogey man - is hilarious.
- james_tanner1

https://www.usnews.com/op...rter-schools-work-or-dont

Hilarious. Name me one thing previously run by the government that was improved by privatization. The privatization of anything is about one thing and one thing only: unfettered greed.

What we need is a bigger government and less privatization.
- james_tanner1

https://hbr.org/1991/11/d...serve-the-public-interest

"This growth of privatization has not, of course, gone uncontested. Critics of widespread privatization contend that private ownership does not necessarily translate into improved efficiency. More important, they argue, private sector managers may have no compunction about adopting profit-making strategies or corporate practices that make essential services unaffordable or unavailable to large segments of the population. A profit-seeking operation may not, for example, choose to provide health care to the indigent or extend education to poor or learning-disabled children. Efforts to make such activities profitable would quite likely mean the reintroduction of government intervention—after the fact. The result may be less appealing than if the government had simply continued to provide the services in the first place."

Here's the argument Tanner is making basically and he does have a point but it's not a black and white issue

"Overriding the privatization debate has been a disagreement over the proper role of government in a capitalist economy. Proponents view government as an unnecessary and costly drag on an otherwise efficient system; critics view government as a crucial player in a system in which efficiency can be only one of many goals.

There is a third perspective: the issue is not simply whether ownership is private or public. Rather, the key question is under what conditions will managers be more likely to act in the public’s interest. The debate over privatization needs to be viewed in a larger context and recast more in terms of the recent argument that has raged in the private sector over mergers and acquisitions. Like the mergers and acquisitions issue, privatization involves the displacement of one set of managers entrusted by the shareholders—the citizens—with another set of managers who may answer to a very different set of shareholders."

Ekblad overrated? You used to be huge fan of him..

See we're all learning together.

NOW (frank) AL 0F U

FLYERZ ROOL
- Mordecai

(frank) the flyers, go Pens

How about we get back to the thread at hand and keep talking about how the flyers suck?
- RafiDRW

But its a Tanner thread... its never about hockey... just a way for him to sneak in politics

Hilarious. Name me one thing previously run by the government that was improved by privatization. The privatization of anything is about one thing and one thing only: unfettered greed.

What we need is a bigger government and less privatization.
- james_tanner1

Can't speak across the board much more than anecdotally, but we did a case study in a resource and environmental management course I took this past year on thatchers sell off/privatization of England and Wales' water in the 80s

What an awful mess. Tariffs increased, profits skyrocketed, service and quality went way down, the poor were negatively impacted ten fold to everyone else. Etc etc

They actually had to pass laws in the house to scale it back and make many practices illegal within a decade[/img]

Everyone should send a PM to Eklund and the site management to get them to ask Tanner to stay away from politics in his blogs. It's one thing to deal with his uninformed hockey opinions but we shouldn't have to deal with his ridiculously off base political views not to mention his blatant disrespect for the office of the Presidency of the United States.

I also think the FEDERAL government should get out of education. The Department of Education should be abolished. Send the federal funds to the States and let them allocate the money. How does Washington DC know what's best for Alaska or Hawaii? They don't.
- quackup

Education is a state responsibility in the US and a provincial responsibility in Canada. Most jurisdictions are willing to take and spend money if there are no strings attached. Doubt the individual states will be able to compensate this loss of funds from the Feds.

Tanner lives in a province with the highest debt level per capita of any N.A. jurisdiction that wastes large sums of money for political gain and lies to its population daily but never comments on it. Seem odd that he comments on US incompetence but is completely blind to his own province's? Might as well add Canadian Federal government incompetence too. The air of moral superiority when it is neither earned nor true is Canada's' greatest fault.

Hilarious. Name me one thing previously run by the government that was improved by privatization. The privatization of anything is about one thing and one thing only: unfettered greed.

What we need is a bigger government and less privatization.
- james_tanner1

Look no further than Venezuela to see the disaster big government has wrought on a society.

Unless of course you think the rulers of Venezuela are too busy watching Fox news.

Everyone should send a PM to Eklund and the site management to get them to ask Tanner to stay away from politics in his blogs. It's one thing to deal with his uninformed hockey opinions but we shouldn't have to deal with his ridiculously off base political views not to mention his blatant disrespect for the office of the Presidency of the United States.
- MJL

I generally think you're an intelligent and interesting poster, but the bolded is just silly

As Canadians we are required in no way to hold some sort of reverence for the leader of your country. And vice versa holds true.
Furthermore, I think the dude currently in that office is making a mockery of the position and your entire nation. So if the shoe fits..

This wasn't intended as an attack, but just a retort to that final silly notion you wrote

To be fair, Fox News has brainwashed an entire generation - and it's the baby boomers, who make up the biggest demographic of anyone - and Trump won specifically because of old people, so while education is not perfect, it's not the main problem either.

Charter schools are a scam, teaching to testing is a bad idea, and more people need to be able to go to college or university without drowning in debt.

But the main problem continues to be the media - there's too much corporate money in media and there is not enough trust in the media (for good reason). Fox is the biggest issue because of how it's misinformation, but other outlets are not perfect.

The death of print and the rise of the internet certainly plays a part - it's all really complicated and interconnected - but Fox News has turned a lot of people insane.
- james_tanner1

I see. Fox News is the big boogeyman in the room, but there's been zero brainwashing done by CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSN, Google, Yahoo, and the list goes on?

Got it.

I see. Fox News is the big boogeyman in the room, but there's been zero brainwashing done by CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSN, Google, Yahoo, and the list goes on?

Got it.
- quackup

I get my news strictly by learning to speak to birds and using them as spies as to avoid any potential media bias

I get my news strictly by learning to speak to birds and using them as spies as to avoid any potential media bias
- Mordecai

Quit stealing my sauces.

To be fair, Fox News has brainwashed an entire generation - and it's the baby boomers, who make up the biggest demographic of anyone - and Trump won specifically because of old people, so while education is not perfect, it's not the main problem either.

Charter schools are a scam, teaching to testing is a bad idea, and more people need to be able to go to college or university without drowning in debt.

But the main problem continues to be the media - there's too much corporate money in media and there is not enough trust in the media (for good reason). Fox is the biggest issue because of how it's misinformation, but other outlets are not perfect.

The death of print and the rise of the internet certainly plays a part - it's all really complicated and interconnected - but Fox News has turned a lot of people insane.
- james_tanner1

Can we just agree liberals and conservatives are both (frank)ing clueless? Both sides are wrong.

Quit stealing my sauces.
- RafiDRW

I am privatizing the spy bird industry and there is nothing you can do to stop me.

The monopoly is mine.