You guys are way overestimating the value of a late 1st in this draft. Even if Bobby Ryan upped his value to 5 million with his play off performance it's still a steal to move the contract for the pick. You would be saving 10 million. A late 1st isn't worth anywhere close to that.
- sditulli

A 1st rd pick is worth significantly more than 2mil per season......and if you don't think so see how many people would trade their 1st for a non-ELC 2 million dollar player

Nobody is going to give up a 1st to get rid of a bad contract.

- sensarmy_11

I disagree with that statement, in a vacuum. I wouldn't do it just for the hell of it, but there's a handful of contracts in the league that I would absolutely package with a 1st to get rid of (assuming NMCs were non-existent)

Again, not many. But some, especially if I were a cap team and I didn't want to carry a buyout figure on my ledger for years

Dustin Brown's, Dan Girardi, Brent Seabrook...again, I'm not saying you do it just for fun. But there are some contracts who, if I were a GM, if Vegas told me the "Get Out of Jail Free" card was a 1st, I'd consider it

Don't fall for more nonsense. Sens aren't giving up a 1st rounder to get rid of Bobby Ryan. Ryan isn't worth his salary but people act like he is overpaid by $7million, he is overpaid by maybe $2million. Not a big deal, especially if he is going to be Big Game Bobby.

I disagree with that statement, in a vacuum. I wouldn't do it just for the hell of it, but there's a handful of contracts in the league that I would absolutely package with a 1st to get rid of (assuming NMCs were non-existent)

Again, not many. But some, especially if I were a cap team and I didn't want to carry a buyout figure on my ledger for years

Dustin Brown's, Dan Girardi, Brent Seabrook...again, I'm not saying you do it just for fun. But there are some contracts who, if I were a GM, if Vegas told me the "Get Out of Jail Free" card was a 1st, I'd consider it
- AllInForFlyers

Should have rephrased........a decent but overpaid player

Guys like Brown and Clarkson are both completely useless and massively overpaid. Ryan still contributed o n the ice.... and if playoff Ryan shows up next season then he really won't be overpaid by that much

Should have rephrased........a decent but overpaid player

Guys like Brown and Clarkson are both completely useless and massively overpaid. Ryan still contributed o n the ice.... and if playoff Ryan shows up next season then he really won't be overpaid by that much
- sensarmy_11

No, I hear you; Ryan's overpaid but he's certainly not the biggest problem any team has. He's overpaid, but he showed that he still cares in the playoffs and if the soul-searching continues into the summer and he really bears down, he can get 25/50 next year. He's not the biggest problem deal in the league, certainly

No, I hear you; Ryan's overpaid but he's certainly not the biggest problem any team has. He's overpaid, but he showed that he still cares in the playoffs and if the soul-searching continues into the summer and he really bears down, he can get 25/50 next year. He's not the biggest problem deal in the league, certainly
- AllInForFlyers

Given what ottawa has in terms of young players and prospects...he might not even be the biggest problem deal on our team. I like what Phaneuf brings, but he's easily just as overpaid and easier to replace internally

Given what ottawa has in terms of young players and prospects...he might not even be the biggest problem deal on our team. I like what Phaneuf brings, but he's easily just as overpaid and easier to replace internally
- sensarmy_11

I agree with that; I am not as hard on Phaneuf as some, but I do know you guys have good prospects on defense and Phaneuf isn't getting any younger.

Not saying I'd package a 1st to move Phaneuf -- I wouldn't -- but if I could get out from under that contract, maybe I'd look at what my options were with that. Wouldn't necessarily be on the top of my to-do list, but it would be on it

I agree with that; I am not as hard on Phaneuf as some, but I do know you guys have good prospects on defense and Phaneuf isn't getting any younger.

Not saying I'd package a 1st to move Phaneuf -- I wouldn't -- but if I could get out from under that contract, maybe I'd look at what my options were with that. Wouldn't necessarily be on the top of my to-do list, but it would be on it
- AllInForFlyers

I wouldn't package a 1st to get out of any contract on our roster....but if Vegas took Phaneuf for nothing in the draft (if he agreed to be left unprotected) or if we maybe had to give up a 3rd or 4th or maybe like a b or c level prospect id be okay with that

I wouldn't package a 1st to get out of any contract on our roster....but if Vegas took Phaneuf for nothing in the draft (if he agreed to be left unprotected) or if we maybe had to give up a 3rd or 4th or maybe like a b or c level prospect id be okay with that
- sensarmy_11

You've got to give something to get something.

I can't see Vegas doing favors for a 3/4 rd pick.

You've got to give something to get something.

I can't see Vegas doing favors for a 3/4 rd pick.
- RedDog18

Phaneuf is still a good player and would be a very good veteran presence on their blue line. They'd be getting a top 4 dman who's overpaid by about 2-2.5 mil so to compensate for that they get a 3rd and don't havrnto give up anything.....not that bad of a deal. I doubt they'd do it, but i also would rather ottawa jeep him then give up more than that.

Hate to come in with the common sense approach but Vegas is not out to do any favours for any team. Unless there is a significant incentive, they are going to take the BPA in terms of value from everyone. Vegas is not looking at this in terms of what their line up will look like come September but by what they can get in return for each selection. Taking everything into consideration, age, contract, skill, injuries... the LV roster that shows up on the ice for their first game is not going to look anything like the LV roster on June 21

Phaneuf is still a good player and would be a very good veteran presence on their blue line. They'd be getting a top 4 dman who's overpaid by about 2-2.5 mil so to compensate for that they get a 3rd and don't havrnto give up anything.....not that bad of a deal. I doubt they'd do it, but i also would rather ottawa jeep him then give up more than that.
- sensarmy_11

Neon has 4 more yrs of a $7 mil cap hit. I'd say that's 2.5-3 mil over per year (10-12 million total) and that's not including the rapid decline you're going to see in his play. He's 32 and two years from now that cap hits going to be hideous.

There's no chance LV would take that contract without a lot more than a 3rd coming their way.

I wouldn't package a 1st to get out of any contract on our roster....but if Vegas took Phaneuf for nothing in the draft (if he agreed to be left unprotected) or if we maybe had to give up a 3rd or 4th or maybe like a b or c level prospect id be okay with that
- sensarmy_11

You should check out the last 7 or so penguin 1st round picks. Only really olli maatta to show for it. Ryan if he is a 20/50 player is worth 5 per year but he had a down year and he's now over 30. To get out of that contract saves you a lot versus the 1 in 10 shot of getting anyone worthwhile with a late 1st.

I saw the math in the NFL. A mid 2nd round pick is worth around 15/year and that league revenue is double the NHL. And you are drafting 22 year olds with a much higher hit rate than drafting 18 year olds.

You have to re-up karlsson and have a cheas owner. His next deal could be 12-13 a year if he goes for max dollar. Clearing a declining 7 million a year forward entering the downside of his career makes a lot of sense.

Why would Ottawa want to move Ryan?

If Toronto can trade Phaneuf without giving a way a 1st round pick, Ottawa can trade this guy...

You should check out the last 7 or so penguin 1st round picks. Only really olli maatta to show for it. Ryan if he is a 20/50 player is worth 5 per year but he had a down year and he's now over 30. To get out of that contract saves you a lot versus the 1 in 10 shot of getting anyone worthwhile with a late 1st.

I saw the math in the NFL. A mid 2nd round pick is worth around 15/year and that league revenue is double the NHL. And you are drafting 22 year olds with a much higher hit rate than drafting 18 year olds.

You have to re-up karlsson and have a cheas owner. His next deal could be 12-13 a year if he goes for max dollar. Clearing a declining 7 million a year forward entering the downside of his career makes a lot of sense.
- sditulli

If Karlsson want 12-13 million dollars a year, we are (frank)ed regardless.

You should check out the last 7 or so penguin 1st round picks. Only really olli maatta to show for it. Ryan if he is a 20/50 player is worth 5 per year but he had a down year and he's now over 30. To get out of that contract saves you a lot versus the 1 in 10 shot of getting anyone worthwhile with a late 1st.

I saw the math in the NFL. A mid 2nd round pick is worth around 15/year and that league revenue is double the NHL. And you are drafting 22 year olds with a much higher hit rate than drafting 18 year olds.

You have to re-up karlsson and have a cheas owner. His next deal could be 12-13 a year if he goes for max dollar. Clearing a declining 7 million a year forward entering the downside of his career makes a lot of sense.
- sditulli

Agree to disagree......i would be furious if ottawa paid another team to take a solid asset away from us simply cuz he's overpaid a couple of million.

If he's exposed And claimed then so be it..... we lose him for nothing and gain cap space.....but nobody is going to give up a 1st rd pick AND a good player, and get nothing in return, just to clear cap space.

Why would Ottawa want to move Ryan?
- Rinosaur

He's overpaid by about 2-2.5 million. To replace him in FA, we'd have to overpay someone by 1-2 million. To replace him via trade, we'd have to trade futures or decent roster players. We can't replace him internally. No way we PAY to create that problem.

He's overpaid by about 2-2.5 million. To replace him in FA, we'd have to overpay someone by 1-2 million. To replace him via trade, we'd have to trade futures or decent roster players. We can't replace him internally. No way we PAY to create that problem.
- Mr_Clean

Stop it with all your "logic" and "making sense".....no room for that on hockeybuzz

Since when is Ottawa facing Cap issues?

If Karlsson want 12-13 million dollars a year, we are (frank)ed regardless.
- Mr_Clean

Only if he changes his last name to Lidstrom

I'm going to get blasted but if Chicago wants to stay elite they should be looking to get out of toews' contract. A 60 point center is not worth 10.5m/year. Leadership is a myth.

Wont nearly all bad contracts be no movement. ..

Who says?

Only if he changes his last name to Lidstrom


- StargateSG1

I think he's as good as Kane maybe better. And cap is up since he signed for 10.5