Can't read it. Too small.
What is the gist of it?
- Marwood

See above...the guy is ranting on HF about Benning

He isn't wrong. I give everyone coming in a few years to prove they can do a job. He hasn't made any moves to me that say yep this is the guy to take this team to the next level. He hasn't been the dumpster fire that this poster says he is either.
- thundachunk

I just found it funny how angry he is over there....he's pissed!!!

"Everyone can identify a good player from time to time. A small child could tell you that Bo Horvat is fast and good.

Our pro scouting under Jim Benning has been the worst in the NHL by a wide margin. Like, absolutely horrendous.

In 3 years, he's identified Luca Sbisa, Andrey Pedan, Adam Clendening, Matt Bartkowski, and Erik Gudbranson as defensive targets. That is so bad it's almost beyond belief. It's literally batting .000.

He gave Eriksson $36 million for 11 goals. Has twice traded significant assets for negative-value cap dumps from other teams. Thought Sutter was better than Bonino, and worth twice as much. And on and on.

His sole 'redeeming point' is that he picked up two soft Flames castoffs who scored 30 points in big minutes for a 29th place team. That's not much of a redeeming point.

Jim Benning is an absolutely terrible scout and an absolutely terrible judge of talent. Almost every poster here is more competent at this aspect of his job than Benning is, and it's supposed to be his alleged 'strength'. It's just a complete joke when this notion that this guy can scout keeps being floated. We have 3 years of complete proof that's totally false."
- LeftCoaster

When did Gillis post this?

BAHAHAHAHAHA


extra piss in your corn flakes this morning?
- LordHumungous

He was quoting another poster from an earlier screen shot that I could not read. It could still be him though. We all know his distain for JB.

"Everyone can identify a good player from time to time. A small child could tell you that Bo Horvat is fast and good.

Our pro scouting under Jim Benning has been the worst in the NHL by a wide margin. Like, absolutely horrendous.

In 3 years, he's identified Luca Sbisa, Andrey Pedan, Adam Clendening, Matt Bartkowski, and Erik Gudbranson as defensive targets. That is so bad it's almost beyond belief. It's literally batting .000.

He gave Eriksson $36 million for 11 goals. Has twice traded significant assets for negative-value cap dumps from other teams. Thought Sutter was better than Bonino, and worth twice as much. And on and on.

His sole 'redeeming point' is that he picked up two soft Flames castoffs who scored 30 points in big minutes for a 29th place team. That's not much of a redeeming point.

Jim Benning is an absolutely terrible scout and an absolutely terrible judge of talent. Almost every poster here is more competent at this aspect of his job than Benning is, and it's supposed to be his alleged 'strength'. It's just a complete joke when this notion that this guy can scout keeps being floated. We have 3 years of complete proof that's totally false."
- LeftCoaster

This guy is pathetic. He has some points about some players(except Sutter is better than Bonino, Guddy was not a bad pick up) but his drafting has been tops of the league. Nikita in 3rd, Boeser late round, Gaudette, etc. Quite a few of his draft picks have increased their original value since drafting. Scouting is most definitely a strength. Sbisa was a big mistake though, 100%.

He was quoting another poster from an earlier screen shot that I could not read. It could still be him though. We all know his distain for JB.
- thundachunk

Not me....I have a different handle. Nucker however has the same handle, dumbass

He isn't wrong. I give everyone coming in a few years to prove they can do a job. He hasn't made any moves to me that say yep this is the guy to take this team to the next level. He hasn't been the dumpster fire that this poster says he is either.
- thundachunk

It's like anything with Rookie GM's there will be pluses and minuses. I think most of us knew that WD JB and even TL may not be here when the team makes a proper transition to contention. Sure JB has made gaffes but man you could pick out a half dozen gaffes from any GM in the league at any particular moment.

I do think a few on here are going to be eating their words when Stecher, Boeser, Demko, Juolevi, (maybe Glass), are prominent…maybe even toss Goldy in there. Baertchi and Granlund were Benning wins as there have been few…but there are other positives the prospect pool finally looks halfway decent.

He was quoting another poster from an earlier screen shot that I could not read. It could still be him though. We all know his distain for JB.
- thundachunk

Ah…my bad.

I agree. Every winger on the team is desperate to play with Bo. Hell, even vrbata was mad when he got stuck with the Sedins and couldn't play with Bo he makes his linemates better
- CanuckDon

We won't know Bo's ceiling until we say bye to a few players currently still here. We have set styles and most offensive zone starts and PPs are gifted to the Sedins.

I think also with drafting high now he won't be playing with wingers like Burrows Eriksson and Sven.

I do agee with DCT that I would like Bo to be our third C but not because he lacks skill set but I want Canucks to raise the bar on talent level.

I just found it funny how angry he is over there....he's pissed!!!
- LeftCoaster

We all should be a little pi$$ed. This team isn't headed in the direction I would take it. I am just an arm chair GM/scout so I can't pretend I would do that much better. Vancouver used to be a place where players wanted to play.

He isn't wrong. I give everyone coming in a few years to prove they can do a job. He hasn't made any moves to me that say yep this is the guy to take this team to the next level. He hasn't been the dumpster fire that this poster says he is either.
- thundachunk

I agree.
This draft may throw me in the fire Benning group though. There are 3 players that, in my opinion, should not be touched at #5. He takes one of Glass, Vilardi or Necas I will continue to support him.
No gambles on risky players. That can wait until we get established talent.

Not really, because we're having separate arguments... My championship roster paradigm is innovative, not based on what I think other teams have done as a recipe for their success. Actually, everything I ever pitch is an attempt to explore what's never been done.

The NHL is waiting for its version of a Patriots-like dynasty & what I've been saying through this Bo argument is he's more valuable to my paradigm of championship roster build as a 3C who contributes supplementary offense while shutting down the opposition's primary offense, than a 2C relied upon to make his top 6 linemates produce to their potential. His top 6 linemates shouldn't have the burden of that main defensive role or have to put up with a 2C who isn't a natural puck distributor & offensive catalyst. JMO.
- DrChristianTroy

Hmm..... so experimental existential lineup creation, ok ill try to play along.

I disagree, I would advocate that we need a defencive core so strong that tanev would be an elite number 5/6. That way even if Sutter is our 1c we'll still be a champion caliber team.

A defensive core so strong that one of the top defencive defensemen in the nhl is on the third pairing.
That makes almost as much sense as having a borderline 1c as your 3c, yes it would be great to have that type of depth, but it would be completely unaffordable.

Edmonton kinda will have whet your talking about, mcdavid, dr. Dre and rnh. I'd contend that horvat is better then rnh. Plus when Dr Dre and Mcdavid get paid, can they afford a 6m 3lc? I don't think so. The only other team that i can think of with that type of center depth is the pens, but Bo is better them Bonino.

So sure your right, in nhl 17 with the salary cap off that would be great, but to cap Bo with having elite 3c upside is shortsighted and arrogant...... just as calling him a 1c would be.

We won't know Bo's ceiling until we say bye to a few players currently still here. We have set styles and most offensive zone starts and PPs are gifted to the Sedins.

I think also with drafting high now he won't be playing with wingers like Burrows Eriksson and Sven.

I do agee with DCT that I would like Bo to be our third C but not because he lacks skill set but I want Canucks to raise the bar on talent level.
- VANTEL

I agree with this but it is easier said than done.

sbizza is a good 5-6. just happens to be making 3.6
only problem. if he doesn't get nabbed by Vegas he would fetch a draft pick at the TDL. We need his physicality on D right now. Not that it really matters, standings wise.
- storm88

Not really.

Not really.
- VANTEL

really!

He'd be second pairing on Edmonton!.... and the leafs!

I agree.
This draft may throw me in the fire Benning group though. There are 3 players that, in my opinion, should not be touched at #5. He takes one of Glass, Vilardi or Necas I will continue to support him.
No gambles on risky players. That can wait until we get established talent.
- Reubenkincade

I am borderline on firing him as well. I won't let the 1st round pick determine his fate though. Mostly because its a strange draft and not one "professional" has the same top ten and I am intrigued by 8 players who I believe could potentially go in the 3,4,5 draft spot.

I will say that Glass is a safe pick. At this point I don't know If I take the safe pick. Its not my style and he could be gone before we pick.

I agree with this but it is easier said than done.
- thundachunk

Most things that Vantel suggest are 'easier said than done'.

I agree.
This draft may throw me in the fire Benning group though. There are 3 players that, in my opinion, should not be touched at #5. He takes one of Glass, Vilardi or Necas I will continue to support him.
No gambles on risky players. That can wait until we get established talent.
- Reubenkincade

I think he has this draft to choose wisely and hopefully move out Tanev for that 10-20 pick which we sorely need. I see no benefits in keeping Tanev here at all. Having another soft, injury-prone dman here to 'mentor' is just plain stupid for a 29th place club.

"Everyone can identify a good player from time to time. A small child could tell you that Bo Horvat is fast and good.

Our pro scouting under Jim Benning has been the worst in the NHL by a wide margin. Like, absolutely horrendous.

In 3 years, he's identified Luca Sbisa, Andrey Pedan, Adam Clendening, Matt Bartkowski, and Erik Gudbranson as defensive targets. That is so bad it's almost beyond belief. It's literally batting .000.

He gave Eriksson $36 million for 11 goals. Has twice traded significant assets for negative-value cap dumps from other teams. Thought Sutter was better than Bonino, and worth twice as much. And on and on.

His sole 'redeeming point' is that he picked up two soft Flames castoffs who scored 30 points in big minutes for a 29th place team. That's not much of a redeeming point.

Jim Benning is an absolutely terrible scout and an absolutely terrible judge of talent. Almost every poster here is more competent at this aspect of his job than Benning is, and it's supposed to be his alleged 'strength'. It's just a complete joke when this notion that this guy can scout keeps being floated. We have 3 years of complete proof that's totally false."
- LeftCoaster

Sorry I thought you wrote this .I take it back



How about he found Brisebois Juolevi Tryamkin . Yes he has come up with players like Clendenning Pedan and others.

Canucks suck bud. This is a bad team and have bad players. Three of the most sufficating players are the Swedes that everyone refuses to move.

Bartowski had a very good year with Calgary and Weber is still top 6 in Nashville and may play in the SCF.

I think he has this draft to choose wisely and hopefully move out Tanev for that 10-20 pick which we sorely need. I see no benefits in keeping Tanev here at all. Having another soft, injury-prone dman here to 'mentor' is just plain stupid for a 29th place club.
- LordHumungous

This really isn't selling a 10-20 pick.

How about he found Brisebois Juolevi Tryamkin . Yes he has come up with players like Clendenning Pedan and others but for a guy that knows everything doesn't always go as planned , you sure don't know that everything doesn't always go as planned.

Canucks suck bud. This is a bad team and have bad players. Three of the most sufficating players are the Swedes that everyone refuses to move.

Bartowski had a very good year with Calgary and Webere is still top in Nashville and may play in the SCF.
- VANTEL

I have always maintained everyone is available for the right price.

I have always maintained everyone is available for the right price.
- thundachunk

What's your price? Box of merlot?

I am borderline on firing him as well. I won't let the 1st round pick determine his fate though. Mostly because its a strange draft and not one "professional" has the same top ten and I am intrigued by 8 players who I believe could potentially go in the 3,4,5 draft spot.

I will say that Glass is a safe pick. At this point I don't know If I take the safe pick. Its not my style and he could be gone before we pick.
- thundachunk

Over the years it has been mostly risky picks though. Time to take a couple safe picks. The Jason Herter,JJ Daigneault, Michel Petit, Libor Polasek, Patrick White etc type picks need to stop. Safe picks like Linden was when picking high in a draft is a must. We can not afford to have a risk player not work out. Unless we are OK with a 20 year rebuild. I am not.

Most things that Vantel suggest are 'easier said than done'.
- Marwood

Megna played about 20 games top line . How hard is it to find a better winger?

I like Stecher but he was top pair D . Not hard to improve on that.

What's your price? Box of merlot?
- Pres.cup

Copper moon.