I'm off to the bar... More DCT vs the world tomorrow.
- DrChristianTroy

Dammit, don't leave me here alone. I'm just rolling up my sleaves to go through the other Chicago centers from when they won the championships....

Matthew Barzel is dominating against Regina.


I still to this day can't believe Boston passed on him 3x
Like how does that happen.

Agree to disagree. There are certain skills that aren't inherent (skating/shot/positioning to maximize effectiveness can be improved with work/coaching). Hockey IQ (the ability to be mentally 2 steps ahead of the play/see things unfold before they do) is not something you suddenly (or otherwise) add to your skillset. I maintain, you have it or you don't.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to take an aromatic sh!t.
- DrChristianTroy

mine doesn't stink either

Matthew Barzel is dominating against Regina.


I still to this day can't believe Boston passed on him 3x
Like how does that happen.
- classic321

or that EDM traded the 16th (Barzal) and 33rd pick (Mitchell Stephens - tby) to NYI for Griffin Reinhart. oops

or that EDM traded the 16th (Barzal) and 33rd pick (Mitchell Stephens - tby) to NYI for Griffin Reinhart. oops
- storm88

Sbisa>rienhart

Sbisa>rienhart
- Pres.cup

sbizza is a good 5-6. just happens to be making 3.6
only problem. if he doesn't get nabbed by Vegas he would fetch a draft pick at the TDL. We need his physicality on D right now. Not that it really matters, standings wise.

or that EDM traded the 16th (Barzal) and 33rd pick (Mitchell Stephens - tby) to NYI for Griffin Reinhart. oops
- storm88

You'd think Tanev would fetch that much or more now, right?!?

I'm off to the bar... More DCT vs the world tomorrow.
- DrChristianTroy

Chicago 2012-13 champions

Top three center Toews, sharp, Shaw
Had goals. ...... 23......, 6,.... 9
Points. ........ 48, ....... 20, ....... 15

Yup... real numbers. Look it up if you want.

The wingers and defence kicked ass, but we're only talking about championship centers here, at your bequest.
I'm not going to say that horvat numbers (even if exaggerated due to the role he was thrust into) compare favorably to all of them.

Again, put a 22 year old horvat on that team and he's at least 3c, with much more upside in his growth as a player.

Horvat is already an elite 3c in the nhl, I'd say he's a mid range 2c and even go out and say that he could already be a low end 1c.

He's 22, i dont think that he's stagnated yet, maybe in 6 months or so but not yet.

I'd say his ceiling is Toews lite, elite shut down center, not ppg, but great 2 way play.
His floor is elite 3c on a any team, I'm talking.... well i guess there's a handful of teams that could have a player of his caliber as 3c.... but only if he stagnated or gets traded to the pens or the oil...

What i think he's going to be? In his prime a selke canidate for one or two years, not a ppg guy or the best defencive center in the game but top 20 for 5 or 6 years. Top 6 center easy, high end 2nd line center.

Want to look at any other championship rosters centers? I've only looked at two so far....

You'd think Tanev would fetch that much or more now, right?!?
- Nuck4U

Flagged for excessive would......

Lefty amiright!

Yes, tanev should fetch a mid round pick and a high 2nd in a weak draft.

Matthew Barzel is dominating against Regina.


I still to this day can't believe Boston passed on him 3x
Like how does that happen.
- classic321

Vilardi's draft will depend on how he does against top competition in the Mem Cup. Injury shortened draft season hurt Barzel. Sounds like Patrick and Vilardi. Van could get a steal if either fall. (frank) Glass. I just don't see Patrick Vilardi or Hischier to drop to 5.

Chicago 2012-13 champions

Top three center Toews, sharp, Shaw
Had goals. ...... 23......, 6,.... 9
Points. ........ 48, ....... 20, ....... 15

Yup... real numbers. Look it up if you want.

The wingers and defence kicked ass, but we're only talking about championship centers here, at your bequest.
I'm not going to say that horvat numbers (even if exaggerated due to the role he was thrust into) compare favorably to all of them.

Again, put a 22 year old horvat on that team and he's at least 3c, with much more upside in his growth as a player.

Horvat is already an elite 3c in the nhl, I'd say he's a mid range 2c and even go out and say that he could already be a low end 1c.

He's 22, i dont think that he's stagnated yet, maybe in 6 months or so but not yet.

I'd say his ceiling is Toews lite, elite shut down center, not ppg, but great 2 way play.
His floor is elite 3c on a any team, I'm talking.... well i guess there's a handful of teams that could have a player of his caliber as 3c.... but only if he stagnated or gets traded to the pens or the oil...

What i think he's going to be? In his prime a selke canidate for one or two years, not a ppg guy or the best defencive center in the game but top 20 for 5 or 6 years. Top 6 center easy, high end 2nd line center.

Want to look at any other championship rosters centers? I've only looked at two so far....
- Pres.cup

He needs better wingers. Bo is a good scorer. He's got a 200 foot game but he's a goal scorer.

Now that Van has some finishers in Goldobin, Boeser, Dahlen. It is really time to look for that Play making center that JB has been talking about.

Pettersson, Glass, Mittelstadt fit that mold more then Vilardi who is more like Bo. Power forward goal scorer.

Matthew Barzel is dominating against Regina.


I still to this day can't believe Boston passed on him 3x
Like how does that happen.
- classic321

I watched game 3 he was having trouble finishing (hot goalie that game)but he was everywhere.

He should have been playing for the Islanders this season.

Sbisa>rienhart
- Pres.cup

Sam Reinhart.

Sam Reinhart.
- thundachunk

Max

Max
- manvanfan

I think this guys pissed at Benning

I think this guys pissed at Benning


- LeftCoaster

I can't read it. It won't let me enlarger the pic.

I found a picture of Scooby at a rec hockey game #midget

Chicago 2012-13 champions

Top three center Toews, sharp, Shaw
Had goals. ...... 23......, 6,.... 9
Points. ........ 48, ....... 20, ....... 15

Yup... real numbers. Look it up if you want.

The wingers and defence kicked ass, but we're only talking about championship centers here, at your bequest.
I'm not going to say that horvat numbers (even if exaggerated due to the role he was thrust into) compare favorably to all of them.

Again, put a 22 year old horvat on that team and he's at least 3c, with much more upside in his growth as a player.

Horvat is already an elite 3c in the nhl, I'd say he's a mid range 2c and even go out and say that he could already be a low end 1c.

He's 22, i dont think that he's stagnated yet, maybe in 6 months or so but not yet.

I'd say his ceiling is Toews lite, elite shut down center, not ppg, but great 2 way play.
His floor is elite 3c on a any team, I'm talking.... well i guess there's a handful of teams that could have a player of his caliber as 3c.... but only if he stagnated or gets traded to the pens or the oil...

What i think he's going to be? In his prime a selke canidate for one or two years, not a ppg guy or the best defencive center in the game but top 20 for 5 or 6 years. Top 6 center easy, high end 2nd line center.

Want to look at any other championship rosters centers? I've only looked at two so far....
- Pres.cup

Not really, because we're having separate arguments... My championship roster paradigm is innovative, not based on what I think other teams have done as a recipe for their success. Actually, everything I ever pitch is an attempt to explore what's never been done.

The NHL is waiting for its version of a Patriots-like dynasty & what I've been saying through this Bo argument is he's more valuable to my paradigm of championship roster build as a 3C who contributes supplementary offense while shutting down the opposition's primary offense, than a 2C relied upon to make his top 6 linemates produce to their potential. His top 6 linemates shouldn't have the burden of that main defensive role or have to put up with a 2C who isn't a natural puck distributor & offensive catalyst. JMO.

Not really, because we're having separate arguments... My championship roster paradigm is innovative, not based on what I think other teams have done as a recipe for their success. Actually, everything I ever pitch is an attempt to explore what's never been done.

The NHL is waiting for its version of a Patriots-like dynasty & what I've been saying through this Bo argument is he's more valuable to my paradigm of championship roster build as a 3C who contributes supplementary offense while shutting down the opposition's primary offense, than a 2C relied upon to make his top 6 linemates produce to their potential. His top 6 linemates shouldn't have the burden of that main defensive role or have to put up with a 2C who isn't a natural puck distributor & offensive catalyst. JMO.
- DrChristianTroy

The definition of stupid is doing the same thing over and over and expecting the same result. Our team needs innovation.

I can't read it. It won't let me enlarger the pic.
- thundachunk

"Everyone can identify a good player from time to time. A small child could tell you that Bo Horvat is fast and good.

Our pro scouting under Jim Benning has been the worst in the NHL by a wide margin. Like, absolutely horrendous.

In 3 years, he's identified Luca Sbisa, Andrey Pedan, Adam Clendening, Matt Bartkowski, and Erik Gudbranson as defensive targets. That is so bad it's almost beyond belief. It's literally batting .000.

He gave Eriksson $36 million for 11 goals. Has twice traded significant assets for negative-value cap dumps from other teams. Thought Sutter was better than Bonino, and worth twice as much. And on and on.

His sole 'redeeming point' is that he picked up two soft Flames castoffs who scored 30 points in big minutes for a 29th place team. That's not much of a redeeming point.

Jim Benning is an absolutely terrible scout and an absolutely terrible judge of talent. Almost every poster here is more competent at this aspect of his job than Benning is, and it's supposed to be his alleged 'strength'. It's just a complete joke when this notion that this guy can scout keeps being floated. We have 3 years of complete proof that's totally false."

"Everyone can identify a good player from time to time. A small child could tell you that Bo Horvat is fast and good.

Our pro scouting under Jim Benning has been the worst in the NHL by a wide margin. Like, absolutely horrendous.

In 3 years, he's identified Luca Sbisa, Andrey Pedan, Adam Clendening, Matt Bartkowski, and Erik Gudbranson as defensive targets. That is so bad it's almost beyond belief. It's literally batting .000.

He gave Eriksson $36 million for 11 goals. Has twice traded significant assets for negative-value cap dumps from other teams. Thought Sutter was better than Bonino, and worth twice as much. And on and on.

His sole 'redeeming point' is that he picked up two soft Flames castoffs who scored 30 points in big minutes for a 29th place team. That's not much of a redeeming point.

Jim Benning is an absolutely terrible scout and an absolutely terrible judge of talent. Almost every poster here is more competent at this aspect of his job than Benning is, and it's supposed to be his alleged 'strength'. It's just a complete joke when this notion that this guy can scout keeps being floated. We have 3 years of complete proof that's totally false."
- LeftCoaster

BAHAHAHAHAHA


extra piss in your corn flakes this morning?

"Everyone can identify a good player from time to time. A small child could tell you that Bo Horvat is fast and good.

Our pro scouting under Jim Benning has been the worst in the NHL by a wide margin. Like, absolutely horrendous.

In 3 years, he's identified Luca Sbisa, Andrey Pedan, Adam Clendening, Matt Bartkowski, and Erik Gudbranson as defensive targets. That is so bad it's almost beyond belief. It's literally batting .000.

He gave Eriksson $36 million for 11 goals. Has twice traded significant assets for negative-value cap dumps from other teams. Thought Sutter was better than Bonino, and worth twice as much. And on and on.

His sole 'redeeming point' is that he picked up two soft Flames castoffs who scored 30 points in big minutes for a 29th place team. That's not much of a redeeming point.

Jim Benning is an absolutely terrible scout and an absolutely terrible judge of talent. Almost every poster here is more competent at this aspect of his job than Benning is, and it's supposed to be his alleged 'strength'. It's just a complete joke when this notion that this guy can scout keeps being floated. We have 3 years of complete proof that's totally false."
- LeftCoaster

He isn't wrong. I give everyone coming in a few years to prove they can do a job. He hasn't made any moves to me that say yep this is the guy to take this team to the next level. He hasn't been the dumpster fire that this poster says he is either.

I think this guys pissed at Benning


- LeftCoaster

Can't read it. Too small.
What is the gist of it?