You are right, only won three Norris Trophies and three cups, so he was average.
- winsix

I don't even...

Since there is varying opinion on fixing the D and really only 6 options...what is the best option:

1. Trade JVR for a DMan.
2. Trade Nylander for a DMan.
3. Draft a DMan that might work out in 3 years.
4. Trade the first rounder for a DMan.
5. Trade a package of rookies for a Dman.
6. UFA signing.


1 & 6 are the best options.

2 is dumb.
3 is too slow.
4 is alright but will it get you a good enough Dman.
5 see above.

There is really only two options to improve for next year. I have a feeling LoubasShanaCock will do 1 & 6 while continuing to stock the cupboards thru the draft.
- underhill14

Option 1 and 6 are the best, I agree.

But for #6, don't need to swing for the fences and over commit.

I think a combination of 1 and 4 could be interesting as well.

But I agree with your prediction.
- Scabeh

Ya, I agree. 1 and 4 together could work too but I think the Leafs' brain trust is all about keeping picks.

reports were that Shattenkirk turned down a 7 yr/$42M deal from Tampa. I don't think he will get less than $7M.
- PatC80

What he turned down according to reports/rumors is quite irrelevant. What is important though - how many teams can afford to pay him, can fit him in under the cap and are legitimate contenders by adding him? You can also eliminate teams that already have a solid group on defense. Think about it, pretty short list.

I don't even...


- Scabeh

Option 1 and 6 are the best, I agree.

But for #6, don't need to swing for the fences and over commit.
- PatC80

I don't disagree with you Pac. Where we disagree is the value of $7M.

I would love Shat at 6yr X $5M but it's just not the current market value.

7yr X $7M to fill the hole, in a really good way, on the D without losing JVR, Nylander, draft picks.....that's worth the extra $1-1.5M and 1 year to me.


Edit: Then you can hold JVR for a better deal. If you shop him now, the other GMs know we are hurting for D so the price drops. Acquire Shat, fill a hole and shop JVR the price goes up. Maybe you end up with Manson and a pick.

- winsix

I don't disagree with you Pac. Where we disagree is the value of $7M.

I would love Shat at 6yr X $5M but it's just not the current market value.

7yr X $7M to fill the hole, in a really good way, on on the D without losing JVR, Nylander, draft picks.....that's worth the extra $1-1.5M and 1 year to me.

I
- underhill14

That's not a bad way to see it either.

You've almost convinced me.....

THAT THE HABS SHOULD SIGN HIM! MOUHAHAHA!

Since there is varying opinion on fixing the D and really only 6 options...what is the best option:

1. Trade JVR for a DMan.
2. Trade Nylander for a DMan.
3. Draft a DMan that might work out in 3 years.
4. Trade the first rounder for a DMan.
5. Trade a package of rookies for a Dman.
6. UFA signing.


1 & 6 are the best options.

2 is dumb.
3 is too slow.
4 is alright but will it get you a good enough Dman.
5 see above.

There is really only two options to improve for next year. I have a feeling LoubasShanaCock will do 1 & 6 while continuing to stock the cupboards thru the draft.
- underhill14

i just don't see 1 as viable anymore. picks/prospects is what we'll get for jvr.

part of the reason they stock the cupboards is to have assets to trade, so 4/5 are the most likely to me.

That's not a bad way to see it either.

You've almost convinced me.....

THAT THE HABS SHOULD SIGN HIM! MOUHAHAHA!
- Scabeh

reports were that Shattenkirk turned down a 7 yr/$42M deal from Tampa. I don't think he will get less than $7M.
- PatC80

i'd go $7M, even $7.5M .... for 5 years.

let the rangers have him.

he's good, but not great.

That's not a bad way to see it either.

You've almost convinced me.....

THAT THE HABS SHOULD SIGN HIM! MOUHAHAHA!
- Scabeh

No point, Bergevin will just trade every puck moving defenseman in their prime.

Callling all Leafs brethren!

Spidiot sighting in the Sens blog!

At the very most, I think he gets $6.5m for 7 years. Yandle got $6.25M last year, with a flat/low rising cap, he shouldn’t get much more than that.

I wouldn’t want to go more than $6m x 6 years. Not sure if that will be enough.
- Tumbleweed

6.5 for 7 would be an easy decision. The Leafs have Reilly/Kadri at a reasonable rate for four more, there will be 3 more years of underpaying Matthew/Marner and Nylander - and in five years there will be no more garbage on the payroll. The window of opportunity is now - cap will go up and $7 million salary might be much more common 5 years down the road.

I don't disagree with you Pac. Where we disagree is the value of $7M.

I would love Shat at 6yr X $5M but it's just not the current market value.

7yr X $7M to fill the hole, in a really good way, on the D without losing JVR, Nylander, draft picks.....that's worth the extra $1-1.5M and 1 year to me.


Edit: Then you can hold JVR for a better deal. If you shop him now, the other GMs know we are hurting for D so the price drops. Acquire Shat, fill a hole and shop JVR the price goes up. Maybe you end up with Manson and a pick.
- underhill14

Still not convinced, Shattenkirk was not a top pairing guy in St. Louis or Washington... Why would you spend that much on a top 4 defenseman?

i'd go $7M, even $7.5M .... for 5 years.

let the rangers have him.

he's good, but not great.
- Tumbleweed

Rangers have 4 good d-men. They are tight against the cap and will probably expose and may lose Nash to expansion. They will be looking for fowards not d-man to use up their cap-space.

Since there is varying opinion on fixing the D and really only 6 options...what is the best option:

1. Trade JVR for a DMan.
2. Trade Nylander for a DMan.
3. Draft a DMan that might work out in 3 years.
4. Trade the first rounder for a DMan.
5. Trade a package of rookies for a Dman.
6. UFA signing.


1 & 6 are the best options.

2 is dumb.
3 is too slow.
4 is alright but will it get you a good enough Dman.
5 see above.

There is really only two options to improve for next year. I have a feeling LoubasShanaCock will do 1 & 6 while continuing to stock the cupboards thru the draft.
- underhill14

There are other pieces that can be traded.

Jvr may net the best return...but Kap, Brown plus a 1st and prospect could yield a good return as well.

6.5 for 7 would be an easy decision. The Leafs have Reilly/Kadri at a reasonable rate for four more, there will be 3 more years of underpaying Matthew/Marner and Nylander - and in five years there will be no more garbage on the payroll. The window of opportunity is now - cap will go up and $7 million salary might be much more common 5 years down the road.
- winsix

Max, I think for Shattenkirk is 5 yrs, $32.5M.

Rangers have 4 good d-men. They are tight against the cap and will probably expose and may lose Nash to expansion. They will be looking for fowards not d-man to use up their cap-space.
- winsix

Girardi is long in the tooth, Marc Staal is not the same as he once was.

Outside of McDonagh and Skjei, they don't have much on D.

i just don't see 1 as viable anymore. picks/prospects is what we'll get for jvr.

part of the reason they stock the cupboards is to have assets to trade, so 4/5 are the most likely to me.
- Tumbleweed

you could a get a decent 4 dman for JVR....easily I would think.

but who replaces JVR on a consistent basis?
Kap was decent...but I dont think he can replace JVR.

Rangers have 4 good d-men. They are tight against the cap and will probably expose and may lose Nash to expansion. They will be looking for fowards not d-man to use up their cap-space.
- winsix

If you ask Rangers fan, they can't wait to get rid of Staal and Girardi.

Wouldn't be shocked to see one of the two bought out so they can retain Nash (who's been excellent in these playoffs so far).

Rangers have 4 good d-men. They are tight against the cap and will probably expose and may lose Nash to expansion. They will be looking for fowards not d-man to use up their cap-space.
- winsix

i'm not counting them out. move out 1 contract and they have room for him. Seems like he wants to be in the area if rumblings are true.

And until we prove they are not, the rangers are the premiere destination for free agents.

you could a get a decent 4 dman for JVR....easily I would think.

but who replaces JVR on a consistent basis?
Kap was decent...but I dont think he can replace JVR.
- Fakepartofme

on his one year deal, i don't him bringing back a proven top 4 dman. fowler's contract matches up, but after this year, i think the ducks are probably more interested in keeping fowler than moving him.

oshie/kovy/khl free agents is where i look to replace jvr.

Girardi is long in the tooth, Marc Staal is not the same as he once was.

Outside of McDonagh and Skjei, they don't have much on D.
- PatC80

Possibly true but irrelevant. They have much bigger needs at forward - particularly true when you consider Nash is a UFA after next season and likely will be exposed to Vegas. Even without Nash's salary they have over $55M tied up - their interest in Shat will be minimal.

Still not convinced, Shattenkirk was not a top pairing guy in St. Louis or Washington... Why would you spend that much on a top 4 defenseman?
- PatC80

That probably the better argument. I, to be honest, just don't know how good he is.

Judging D for me is really tough, so I kinda go by what I see and then read to help. He looked pretty good in the series against our really fast team. (I thought Niskanen looked better.)