yeah, i'm not seeing it. anahiem, nash and minny are all have deep defenses worth protecting in the expansion draft.

duck and wild will lose rackell/silfverberg/zucker if they overload on protecting dmen. those guys can’t be replaced on the ufa market.

for the preds, smith/jankrot are easily replaceable on the ufa market. top 4 dmen are not.
- Tumbleweed

agreed.
Its ok to have young expensive quality D.

I believe they have lupul for another year.
- Fakepartofme

maybe we can swap him in some sort of cash saving deal with another team.

i saw nothing from shattenkirk vs Toronto that suggested he was all that good. he got killed by the leafs. it's just one series though, who knows.

i saw nothing from shattenkirk vs Toronto that suggested he was all that good. he got killed by the leafs. it's just one series though, who knows.
- daeth

Meh, 6 games with a new team. Not the measuring stick in my opinion.

I believe they have lupul for another year.
- Fakepartofme

Yep, that's what I meant.

i saw nothing from shattenkirk vs Toronto that suggested he was all that good. he got killed by the leafs. it's just one series though, who knows.
- daeth

yeah, you would hope hunter/dubas have watched hours of tape and are looking at all kinds of internal metrics if they are going to throw money at shattenkirk...way beyond the one series.

i still think he ends up a ranger.

Moving out a 2.5m quality D man just to sign a more expensive 4 guy is not smart asset management.

Smart asset management was having 5 top D, and moving one for a quality forward...which they did.
No rush to move out anyone...their time for a cup is now and the next couple of years.
- Fakepartofme

Exactly.

Sorry Santo, seems alot of people disagree on the path you think the Preds should take to have "smart asset management".

Good talk though, you're totally entitled to your opinion.

i saw nothing from shattenkirk vs Toronto that suggested he was all that good. he got killed by the leafs. it's just one series though, who knows.
- daeth

He won't be worth the money he'll receive.

Obviously he'd make Toronto a better team, but he's not the guy I'd throw 7M at.

Cause he is 28 now and will be signed for 7 seasons. I know my math sucks, how is yours?
- PatC80

28 + 7 = 35......not Jagr 45 or Chara 40.....30 (frank)ing 5.


Worse case scenario, the last two years he declines and the average amount for a #4/5D in the NHL is $7M.

Shea Weber and Doughty have been getting $7M since 2010. PK is now at $9.5M.

Not saying Shat is in that league but in 5 years $7m is going to be on the low side.

Nobody's asking you to give up your lunch money, so chill.

He won't be worth the money he'll receive.

Obviously he'd make Toronto a better team, but he's not the guy I'd throw 7M at.
- Scabeh

Agree fully, just keep stock piling the gems and trade the excess for the pieces needed.
- BKups

Im a firm believer in the draft best player approach.

Leafs seem to have had a theme in the last 2 drafts.

first draft was all skill
second draft was alot of size and over agers.

I wouldnt be opposed to drafting a bunch of defenseman that project to be quick puck moving types and hope for a home run.

28 + 7 = 35......not Jagr 45 or Chara 40.....30 (frank)ing 5.


Worse case scenario, the last two years he declines and the average amount for a #4/5D in the NHL is $7M.

Shea Weber and Doughty have been getting $7M since 2010. PK is now at $9.5M.

Not saying Shat is in that league but in 5 years $7m is going to be on the low side.

Nobody asking you to give up your lunch money, so chill.
- underhill14

$7M for a #5 D-man will be average?

Cause he is 28 now and will be signed for 7 seasons. I know my math sucks, how is yours?
- PatC80

Chris Chelios says hi to your math teacher.

Chris Chelios says hi to your math teacher.
- winsix

The guy known to be the embodiment of the average NHL defenseman which we should compare all players to.

Chris Chelios says hi to your math teacher.
- winsix

Chelios is/was a Greek freak..

Shattenkirk.... Meh, I'll pass.

The guy known to be the embodiment of the average NHL defenseman which we should compare all players to.
- Scabeh

Similar to Gordie Howe and Jaromir Jagr.

If those three could do it, why can't Matt Martin?

28 + 7 = 35......not Jagr 45 or Chara 40.....30 (frank)ing 5.


Worse case scenario, the last two years he declines and the average amount for a #4/5D in the NHL is $7M.

Shea Weber and Doughty have been getting $7M since 2010. PK is now at $9.5M.

Not saying Shat is in that league but in 5 years $7m is going to be on the low side.

Nobody's asking you to give up your lunch money, so chill.
- underhill14

At the very most, I think he gets $6.5m for 7 years. Yandle got $6.25M last year, with a flat/low rising cap, he shouldn’t get much more than that.

I wouldn’t want to go more than $6m x 6 years. Not sure if that will be enough.

Similar to Gordie Howe and Jaromir Jagr.

If those three could do it, why can't Matt Martin?
- PatC80

BECAUSE HE SUCKS! THAT'S WHY PAT! HE SUCKS! HE WILL ALWAYS SUCK AND HAS ALWAYS SUCKED.

Ahem...


I mean...

Yeah.... maybe!

Since there is varying opinion on fixing the D and really only 6 options...what is the best option:

1. Trade JVR for a DMan.
2. Trade Nylander for a DMan.
3. Draft a DMan that might work out in 3 years.
4. Trade the first rounder for a DMan.
5. Trade a package of rookies for a Dman.
6. UFA signing.


1 & 6 are the best options.

2 is dumb.
3 is too slow.
4 is alright but will it get you a good enough Dman.
5 see above.

There is really only two options to improve for next year. I have a feeling LoubasShanaCock will do 1 & 6 while continuing to stock the cupboards thru the draft.

At the very most, I think he gets $6.5m for 7 years. Yandle got $6.25M last year, with a flat/low rising cap, he shouldn’t get much more than that.

I wouldn’t want to go more than $6m x 6 years. Not sure if that will be enough.
- Tumbleweed

reports were that Shattenkirk turned down a 7 yr/$42M deal from Tampa. I don't think he will get less than $7M.

The guy known to be the embodiment of the average NHL defenseman which we should compare all players to.
- Scabeh

You are right, only won three Norris Trophies and three cups, so he was average.

BECAUSE HE SUCKS! THAT'S WHY PAT! HE SUCKS! HE WILL ALWAYS SUCK AND HAS ALWAYS SUCKED.

Ahem...


I mean...

Yeah.... maybe!
- Scabeh

All valid points,

$7M for a #5 D-man will be average?
- PatC80

Yep. We can bet that in 5 years Alzners of the league will be getting $7M as UFAs. Book it.

You are right, only won three Norris Trophies and three cups, so he was average.
- winsix

Looks like Scabeh needs a sarcasm button

Since there is varying opinion on fixing the D and really only 6 options...what is the best option:

1. Trade JVR for a DMan.
2. Trade Nylander for a DMan.
3. Draft a DMan that might work out in 3 years.
4. Trade the first rounder for a DMan.
5. Trade a package of rookies for a Dman.
6. UFA signing.


1 & 6 are the best options.

2 is dumb.
3 is too slow.
4 is alright but will it get you a good enough Dman.
5 see above.

There is really only two options to improve for next year. I have a feeling LoubasShanaCock will do 1 & 6 while continuing to stock the cupboards thru the draft.
- underhill14

I think a combination of 1 and 4 could be interesting as well.

But I agree with your prediction.