He's got Benjamin Button disease?

Neuro covers a lot of stuff. Hell it could be MS, ALS, a tumor, stroke or bleed doesn't really fit with the time it's taken. Could be an infection in his brain, viral, bacterial, fungal...
- Wetbandit1

He could play with MS depending on severity and how frequently he has swelling

And awful last year, with Matthews, Laine in the draft.

And a bevy of prospects to deal after we landed another stud.

I can't imagine we wouldn't have been 30th or very close if you subtract ROR and Kane from last years team, and replaced them with the guys who weren't even in the NHL yet.
- sbroads24

1) nothing to say we could've made big trades the following season
2) Laine was not thought of as the 2nd pick until later in the season...
that draft was basically Matthews, & then a bunch of other guys
3) Also, didn't the Jets finish 6th & win the lotto?
So to get Matthews or Laine, we'd have to have finished in one of those 2 spots
And I doubt we'd have been worse than the Leafs (although possible I guess)

So how much better are we now, if we got Dubois and didn't have Kane, O'Reilly or Okposo (bc there's no way he'd have signed here)?

I MUCH prefer what we have now,
over the SLIM chance (imo) we'd have gotten Laine or Matthews

Boyle get's a prospect and a 2nd at the TDL and Kane can only get a return of a mid 20's first? Think that's a stretch at best personally.
- RhinoFan

Kane might get us a top 4 d man. Might.

He has 1 year left, 1 year removed from off ice issues, 2 years removed from having a whole locker room outcast him.

1) nothing to say we could've made big trades the following season
2) Laine was not thought of as the 2nd pick until later in the season...
that draft was basically Matthews, & then a bunch of other guys
3) Also, didn't the Jets finish 6th & win the lotto?
So to get Matthews or Laine, we'd have to have finished in one of those 2 spots
And I doubt we'd have been worse than the Leafs (although possible I guess)

So how much better are we now, if we got Dubois and didn't have Kane, O'Reilly or Okposo (bc there's no way he'd have signed here)?

I MUCH prefer what we have now,
over the SLIM chance (imo) we'd have gotten Laine or Matthews
- jdfitz77

The whole year it was Matthews, JP and Laine. Laine blew by JP later in the year.

No one expected Dubois to go over JP. That's on the Columbus GM.

Kane might get us a top 4 d man. Might.

He has 1 year left, 1 year removed from off ice issues, 2 years removed from having a whole locker room outcast him.
- sbroads24

He's also in another galaxy than Brian Boyle. I'm just saying for a well established, physical scorer in the NHL...you pay. Even with the off ice issues, and I understand they backed out, I bet the Vancouver talks weren't about 2nds and 3rds.

The whole year it was Matthews, JP and Laine. Laine blew by JP later in the year.

No one expected Dubois to go over JP. That's on the Columbus GM.
- sbroads24

If we get Matthews or Laine, also getting Eichel of course...you're 10000% right. It's just if we stunk that bad (worse than we are) up to present day and were looking at Dylan Strome and Dubois...I'd be worried. I'm not worried...yet.

If we get Matthews or Laine, also getting Eichel of course...you're 10000% right. It's just if we stunk that bad (worse than we are) up to present day and were looking at Dylan Strome and Dubois...I'd be worried. I'm not worried...yet.
- RhinoFan

Absolutely, I just think it's fair to question the timing.

I think O'Reilly especially and Kane are both good

The whole year it was Matthews, JP and Laine. Laine blew by JP later in the year.

No one expected Dubois to go over JP. That's on the Columbus GM.
- sbroads24

You're 100% wrong
Laine did NOT start the season as a top10 prospect
Wasn't till January-ish that he started making the rise

It was
1) Matthews
2-4) Chychrun, Tkachuk, Puljujarvi
5-) everyone else

http://i.imgur.com/xoTVXzi.jpg


BUT REGARDLESS...
doesn't change that we'd have had to finishing LAST or 6th LAST to get one of those two

If u think one of those options would definitely happened,
Then I'd agree with you

But it seems slim to me

how serious is Okposo’s situation and what exactly is a neuro ICU?

Why would a patient be admitted to the neuro ICU?

A: Stroke, either from a blockage in an artery in the brain or a rupture from a hemorrhage, is a common disorder that lands patients in the units. But neuro ICUs also care for an array of other issues, including epilepsy, brain infections such as meningitis and encephalitis, degenerative disorders like Parkinson's disease, and brain

http://buffalonews.com/20...e-okposo-lands-neuro-icu/

You're 100% wrong
Laine did NOT start the season as a top10 prospect
Wasn't till January-ish that he started making the rise

It was
1) Matthews
2-4) Chychrun, Tkachuk, Puljujarvi
5-) everyone else

http://i.imgur.com/xoTVXzi.jpg


BUT REGARDLESS...
doesn't change that we'd have had to finishing LAST or 6th LAST to get one of those two

If u think one of those options would definitely happened,
Then I'd agree with you

But it seems slim to me
- jdfitz77

Lol, ok.

First mock I pulled from July 15 has him at 7 for following year. By the world juniors in his draft year it was the big 3 with JP and Matthews.

Not to mention, Chychrun was considered a lock as a top 5 at a position we desperately needed

https://www.todaysslapsho...draft-october-rankings/2/

i how serious is Okposo’s situation and what exactly is a neuro ICU?

Why would a patient be admitted to the neuro ICU?

A: Stroke, either from a blockage in an artery in the brain or a rupture from a hemorrhage, is a common disorder that lands patients in the units. But neuro ICUs also care for an array of other issues, including epilepsy, brain infections such as meningitis and encephalitis, degenerative disorders like Parkinson's disease, and brain

http://buffalonews.com/20...e-okposo-lands-neuro-icu/
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Scary stuff
Hopefully he'll be ok

Scary stuff
Hopefully he'll be ok
- jdfitz77

Agreed. Regardless of what it really is , We all wish him a speedy recovery.

Get well soon Kyle .

Lol, ok.

First mock I pulled from July 15 has him at 7 for following year. By the world juniors in his draft year it was the big 3 with JP and Matthews.

Not to mention, Chychrun was considered a lock as a top 5 at a position we desperately needed

https://www.todaysslapsho...draft-october-rankings/2/
- sbroads24

Yeah... he skyrocketed for sure...

But the point is that the way things played out,
It's still EXTREMELY slim we'd have gotten either Matthews or Laine imo

IF... we'd have gotten one of them, then I'd agree with you

But O'Reilly + Kane + Okposo >>>>> the uncertainty for me

I really like Tkachuk, but besides him...
no else really jumps out (yet)

Kane might get us a top 4 d man. Might.

He has 1 year left, 1 year removed from off ice issues, 2 years removed from having a whole locker room outcast him.
- sbroads24

Kane definitely brings back at least a middle pairing guy, but we would need to add for a legit #2 coming back our way.

You have to remember that an NHL GM paid a boatload for Kane, and that was right in the middle of his off ice/locker room issues and season-ending, surgery-needing injury. So, after a clean year with a 28 -29 goal campaign, he has value. If Murray puts him on the block this summer, more than one GM will kick the tires.

Scary stuff
Hopefully he'll be ok
- jdfitz77

Sept. '15 has Laine 3rd

https://www.hockeyprospec...ect-com-september-top-50/

"100% wrong"

Sept. '15 has Laine 3rd

https://www.hockeyprospec...ect-com-september-top-50/

"100% wrong"
- sbroads24

I assure u that if u continue to go through all the projections,
You will find MANY MANY more without Laine neck & neck with JP from the start like u claim
Also, you're still missing the point...

Convince me we'd have finished last or 6th
Bc otherwise, we don't get Laine or Matthews

Yeah... he skyrocketed for sure...

But the point is that the way things played out,
It's still EXTREMELY slim we'd have gotten either Matthews or Laine imo

IF... we'd have gotten one of them, then I'd agree with you

But O'Reilly + Kane + Okposo >>>>> the uncertainty for me

I really like Tkachuk, but besides him...
no else really jumps out (yet)
- jdfitz77

It's all just IF's though. I of course can't guarantee we'd have them.

But O'Reilly and Kane weren't once in a lifetime gets. Guys like them will be traded again. Laine, Matthews don't come around often, especially for free

Sept. '15 has Laine 3rd

https://www.hockeyprospec...ect-com-september-top-50/

"100% wrong"
- sbroads24

Laine at 6, not 2 or 3
http://penaltyboxradio.co...-2016-nhl-draft-rankings/

It's all just IF's though. I of course can't guarantee we'd have them.

But O'Reilly and Kane weren't once in a lifetime gets. Guys like them will be traded again. Laine, Matthews don't come around often, especially for free
- sbroads24

Sure... but your IF is an unlikely scenario

Of course we all like to have one of those guys...
but O'Reilly, Kane & Okposo are all really good players

What would more likely have happened is that we'd have gotten Dubois, Tkachuk or Jolieve... all of whom I like...

But not more than the 3 "core" players we traded for/signed

Sure... but your IF is an unlikely scenario

Of course we all like to have one of those guys...
but O'Reilly, Kane & Okposo are all really good players

What would more likely have happened is that we'd have gotten Dubois, Tkachuk or Jolieve... all of whom I like...

But not more than the 3 "core" players we traded for/signed
- jdfitz77

My point is it was worth the risk to be bad for another year intentionally. We were bad anyways. Hell were bad now.

Even it it blew up in our face and we drafted 4th, that's still either JP or Dubois, or whomever. Then with the bevy of assets, go find a 20 goal scorer and 2nd line center.

It's not like Kane is Ovechkin and O'Reilly is Malkin.

My point is it was worth the risk to be bad for another year intentionally. We were bad anyways. Hell were bad now.

Even it it blew up in our face and we drafted 4th, that's still either JP or Dubois, or whomever. Then with the bevy of assets, go find a 20 goal scorer and 2nd line center.

It's not like Kane is Ovechkin and O'Reilly is Malkin.
- sbroads24

I understand your point...
BUT
Back when we made those trades,
the only known "prize" in the draft was Matthews
So we'd have been "tanking" again for a 20% chance to get a "difference maker"
And that IF we finished last...
we'd have had stiff competition with the Leafs for that


OR
We can make some trades to start getting better

My point is it was worth the risk to be bad for another year intentionally. We were bad anyways. Hell were bad now.

Even it it blew up in our face and we drafted 4th, that's still either JP or Dubois, or whomever. Then with the bevy of assets, go find a 20 goal scorer and 2nd line center.

It's not like Kane is Ovechkin and O'Reilly is Malkin.
- sbroads24

Like some have mentioned . we were not gonna be great after drafting Jack. Still gonna be a couple years but we are on the right track. Some thought just having Jack we are a cup contender. . Teams needs talent around him and most important, chemistry. Hard to build on otherwise every other team would do it .

Like some have mentioned . we were not gonna be great after drafting Jack. Still gonna be a couple years but we are on the right track. Some thought just having Jack we are a cup contender. . Teams needs talent around him and most important, chemistry. Hard to build on otherwise every other team would do it .
- cabin

You're right it wasn't going to be right away. That's part of my point too

You're right it wasn't going to be right away. That's part of my point too
- sbroads24

Like some have mentioned . we were not gonna be great after drafting Jack. Still gonna be a couple years but we are on the right track. Some thought just having Jack we are a cup contender. . Teams needs talent around him and most important, chemistry. Hard to build on otherwise every other team would do it .
- cabin

And with the overwhelming odds that we would not get Matthews...
starting to get better was the right way to go imo

Did we really wanna be the Oilers?
I didn't