There's going to have to be A LOT of luck involved with turning this poop-show around. Like Oilers or Leafs luck.
- LeftCoaster

That's why we should load up on picks this draft.

They also won two Stanley Cups (1918 & 1922) in a four team league, just to clarify. As the Arenas and the St. Patricks. The NHL played the PCHA for the Cup, both times they defeated Vancouver in the Cup Challenge. Both of which are in their 13 total.
- LeftCoaster

Dammit, Lefty, you are stealing my best trolling material!

Anyone want to talk about Richard Brodeur's ear?

Without Edler and Tanev the team was horrible this year, some people have short memories. However, if they're going to be bad, trade Tanev for a good return and sign a veteran D (if you can) so you're not throwing the young guys to the wolves.

You can't just get rid of all the experience, you need vets like Edler, who plays the toughest minutes for the club, to take the load off the younger guys.
- LeftCoaster

Isn't that what you come in here daily and post about? Getting a number one pick?


I am glad Tanev and Edler are not letting us be horrible because that 69 points 27 th spot sure had me fooled

Russian training best. Just look at Ivan Drago.
- bloatedmosquito

For one, Dion has little in common with both Edler or Tanev, but ok, I'll play along.

Ziatsev never played with Dion.
Gardiner was horrible defensively with Dion, and continues to be horrible without him.
Rielly was a 5th overall pick and frankly, is better then anyone we have in the system (including O.J), but remains suspect defensively, with and without Dion....He's a career minus -64.

Moreover, you guys talk as though its Toronto's D-core that is the engine that drives that boat when in reality, its the team's biggest weakness lol.
- Whiskey-Tango

They have everything in common, he was there to mentor and teach the kids, failed to do so.
Ziatsev never did, probably explains why he doesn't suck. His +/- sure does. On the topic of +/- Gardiner is 26. A plus first time in his career with no Dion.

Toronto's D core with the likes of Roman Polak and Matt Hunwick seem to be a better overall D core then Vancouvers with the likes of Edler, Tanev and a bunch of kids will a lot of potential.

Isn't that what you come in here daily and post about? Getting a number one pick?


I am glad Tanev and Edler are not letting us be horrible because that 69 points 27 th spot sure had me fooled



- VANTEL

Obviously he has a man crush on the guy.

Isn't that what you come in here daily and post about? Getting a number one pick?


I am glad Tanev and Edler are not letting us be horrible because that 69 points 27 th spot sure had me fooled



- VANTEL

You have to take that in context though, I don't care about being terrible, per say, what I care about is letting the good young players Benning has brought in develop properly.

That means letting Edler and Tanev play the tough minutes that they do while sheltering Tryamkin and Stecher until they're ready.

Without Edler and Tanev the team was horrible this year, some people have short memories. However, if they're going to be bad, trade Tanev for a good return and sign a veteran D (if you can) so you're not throwing the young guys to the wolves.

You can't just get rid of all the experience, you need vets like Edler, who plays the toughest minutes for the club, to take the load off the younger guys.
- LeftCoaster

Yup.
This is a very important off season for the future of this club.
Hopefully Linden quits.

Yup.
This is a very important off season for the future of this club.
Hopefully Linden quits, Benning has a massive jammer, Desjardins is fired and Aquilini sells the team.
- Marwood

Fixed

Go make yourself a burger fat man.
- VanHockeyGuy

I had Five guys burgers and fries for the first time ever last night. Rather expensive but burgers wasn't that bad. In N Out burger is way better.

Dammit, Lefty, you are stealing my best trolling material!

Anyone want to talk about Richard Brodeur's ear?
- Atomic Wedgie

You've gotta wake up pretty early in the morning to out-smart me old man

You have to take that in context though, I don't care about being terrible, per say, what I care about is letting the good young players Benning has brought in develop properly.

That means letting Edler and Tanev play the tough minutes that they do while sheltering Tryamkin and Stecher until they're ready.
- LeftCoaster

Edler and Tanev aren't leaders or mentors.

You have to take that in context though, I don't care about being terrible, per say, what I care about is letting the good young players Benning has brought in develop properly.

That means letting Edler and Tanev play the tough minutes that they do while sheltering Tryamkin and Stecher until they're ready.
- LeftCoaster

Trade Edler and Tanev . Draft a Dman with your return first rounder . Get a top 6 forward with the other trade.

Sign Tyutin and Russell 2 mil each and watch the Canucks drop from 27 to 28 th

Yup.
This is a very important off season for the future of this club.
Hopefully Linden quits.
- Marwood

Why would he quit? He has to go on tv once and a while, shake hand get his picture taken and collect a hefty paycheck. Not to hard. Really I dont see him doing much else.

Fixed
- LeftCoaster

They have everything in common, he was there to mentor and teach the kids, failed to do so.
Ziatsev never did, probably explains why he doesn't suck. His +/- sure does. On the topic of +/- Gardiner is 26. A plus first time in his career with no Dion.

Toronto's D core with the likes of Roman Polak and Matt Hunwick seem to be a better overall D core then Vancouvers with the likes of Edler, Tanev and a bunch of kids will a lot of potential.
- manvanfan

No he wasn't.
He was brought in during Burke's 're-tool' phase, along with JVR, Kessel etc, in the sole interests of making the playoffs and being competitive, at the expense of their future. (Hello Seguin and Hamilton).

When that didn't pan out, they shipped him out to hit rock bottom.

On your second point, they do not have a better overall D-core and/or back-end, they just score a poop load more goals then we do.

Toronto's Goals Against: 226.
Vancouver's Goals Against: 225.

Trade Edler and Tanev . Draft a Dman with your return first rounder . Get a top 6 forward with the other trade.

Sign Tyutin and Russell 2 mil each and watch the Canucks drop from 27 to 28 th
- VANTEL

Sign someone and anyone other then Edler and Tanev. Could always trade them for a more journeyman D and a pick or prospect.

Edler and Tanev aren't leaders or mentors.
- manvanfan

Why do they have to be? What they need to be, is able to play tough minutes until the youth is ready. Trade Tanev, or Edler, fine, I'm indifferent about that, as long as you have a backup plan to replace him/them, because our young guys aren't ready to eat 20 minutes a night.

Why do they have to be? What they need to be, is able to play tough minutes until the youth is ready. Trade Tanev, I'm indifferent about that, as long as you have a backup plan to replace him, because our young guys aren't ready to eat 20 minutes a night.
- LeftCoaster

Then trade or sign someone on a short term reasonable deal to pick up the slack. Get assets for both of them now and keep on stocking the shelves.

Then trade or sign someone on a short term reasonable deal to pick up the slack. Get assets for both of them now and keep on stocking the shelves.
- VanHockeyGuy

Yup I'm good with that. I'm just thinking of the young guys, they're not ready yet. They need some veterans still.

Mentors

Tanev 1 G 8 A 9 PTS
Edler 5 G 15 A 20 PTS
Sbisa 2 G 10 A 12 PTS

Students


Stecher 3 G 21 A 24 PTS
Hutton 5 G 14 A 19 PTS

The Students have passed the teachers on a team that struggles to score

Mentors

Tanev 1 G 8 A 9 PTS
Edler 5 G 15 A 20 PTS
Sbisa 2 G 10 A 12 PTS

Students


Stecher 3 G 21 A 24 PTS
Hutton 5 G 14 A 19 PTS

The Students have passed the teachers on a team that struggles to score
- VANTEL

With less minutes.

Yup I'm good with that. I'm just thinking of the young guys, they're not ready yet. They need some veterans still.
- LeftCoaster

Some one has to think about the children!

Yup I'm good with that. I'm just thinking of the young guys, they're not ready yet. They need some veterans still.
- LeftCoaster

No one is denying that the young guys need work , but the old guys are not that good and teaching them the wrong way

Some one has to think about the children!
- Marwood

Exactly!! Vantel paints it as a black and white picture, it's not that simple. Minutes, level of competition are a HUGE factor.