Ok so here we go another possibility

-Negotiate with him and think you can get the deal done in the window for less than letting him hit the market.
- Find out you weren't exactly right and he hits the market.
- He walks...
- dragonoffrost

I'm confused. This 48-hour window is before the expansion draft. If you negotiate and come to terms, then you can sign him before the expansion draft even occurs. That would then count as the Flyers one player.

If you can't come to an agreement, then you move on and take another Flyer in the draft.

OK. So in your scenario, Vegas:
- Does not bother negotiating with Weal, who was left unprotected
- Decides not to even offer a contract, since he's a UFA
- Lets him walk after the draft

And the thought process there is that the Flyers literally have nobody of value to Vegas?
- steelydan

I don't think it is limited to the Flyers, but yes, that is the general idea. As has been the case with previous drafts, teams don't always want all 30 (previously fewer) players. That is why there is a rule that they HAVE to pick 20 signed players (99% sure qualified RFAs count) and the salary needs to be 60% of the floor.

It gives Vegas more money/roster space in actual free agency. I think the assumption that Vegas is going to take the best value contract from each team and will end up with 30 players that will play for them next season is completely wrong. There are going to be some picks that will appear head scratching at first. I don't know exactly how it will go down because there are 30 teams to pick from, but it is why AMac getting picked wouldn't surprise me (salary still a great reason not to pick him).

The Wild drafted Stefan Nilsson in 2000. Why is that weird? Well he retired 2 years earlier

I don't think it is limited to the Flyers, but yes, that is the general idea. As has been the case with previous drafts, teams don't always want all 30 (previously fewer) players. That is why there is a rule that they HAVE to pick 20 signed players (99% sure qualified RFAs count) and the salary needs to be 60% of the floor.

It gives Vegas more money/roster space in actual free agency. I think the assumption that Vegas is going to take the best value contract from each team and will end up with 30 players that will play for them next season is completely wrong. There are going to be some picks that will appear head scratching at first. I don't know exactly how it will go down because there are 30 teams to pick from, but it is why AMac getting picked wouldn't surprise me (salary still a great reason not to pick him).

The Wild drafted Stefan Nilsson in 2000. Why is that weird? Well he retired 2 years earlier
- YuenglingJagr

OK, that's fair.

I'm confused. This 48-hour window is before the expansion draft. If you negotiate and come to terms, then you can sign him before the expansion draft even occurs. That would then count as the Flyers one player.

If you can't come to an agreement, then you move on and take another Flyer in the draft.
- steelydan

Right...I think this is the idea with that window. I really am not sure what to think of how this will play out though. Some of these guys may even have an idea of what their teams were offering.

I don't think it is limited to the Flyers, but yes, that is the general idea. As has been the case with previous drafts, teams don't always want all 30 (previously fewer) players. That is why there is a rule that they HAVE to pick 20 signed players (99% sure qualified RFAs count) and the salary needs to be 60% of the floor.

It gives Vegas more money/roster space in actual free agency. I think the assumption that Vegas is going to take the best value contract from each team and will end up with 30 players that will play for them next season is completely wrong. There are going to be some picks that will appear head scratching at first. I don't know exactly how it will go down because there are 30 teams to pick from, but it is why AMac getting picked wouldn't surprise me (salary still a great reason not to pick him).

The Wild drafted Stefan Nilsson in 2000. Why is that weird? Well he retired 2 years earlier
- YuenglingJagr

That's interesting. Let's keep our fingers crossed that they select MacDonald.

I think Vegas will take one of Read, Weise, Bellemare, or Neuvy. Now aside from the expansion draft, when exactly can Vegas start negotiating with other teams for trades? And I am asking for the sake of MacDonald. We've argued for a long time that Amac is a serviceable dman, but its obviously not worth his contract... So, I'm wondering if Vegas can be an opportunity to rid ourselves of his contract (not fully) aside from the Expansion Draft. Would anyone be willing to retain (say 35%?) of Amac's contract + a draft pick (2nd or 3rd; varies on % retained) to Vegas? I know salary retention isn't the most popular, but the more and more I think about our prospects and who will be the defensive core for next season, I always run into a logjam for a player who may have a chance to make the team (unless a trade occurs). I know it can be argued why Vegas would have no interest in Amac, but he's a veteran dman who can log minutes in all situations for a team; plus they gain the asset of the draft pick. Thoughts?


EDIT: Side note; when you look up Amac's contract on sportrac.com, it says similar players Seth Jones and OEL

I think Vegas will take one of Read, Weise, Bellemare, or Neuvy. Now aside from the expansion draft, when exactly can Vegas start negotiating with other teams for trades? And I am asking for the sake of MacDonald. We've argued for a long time that Amac is a serviceable dman, but its obviously not worth his contract... So, I'm wondering if Vegas can be an opportunity to rid ourselves of his contract (not fully) aside from the Expansion Draft. Would anyone be willing to retain (say 35%?) of Amac's contract + a draft pick (2nd or 3rd; varies on % retained) to Vegas? I know salary retention isn't the most popular, but the more and more I think about our prospects and who will be the defensive core for next season, I always run into a logjam for a player who may have a chance to make the team (unless a trade occurs). I know it can be argued why Vegas would have no interest in Amac, but he's a veteran dman who can log minutes in all situations for a team; plus they gain the asset of the draft pick. Thoughts?
- arichardson22

Technically, the are already allowed to

The scenario I have mentioned before is Vegas drafts someone from the Flyers...then they trade for MacDonald with retained salary. I don't know enough about their financial situation (except that they paid a pretty penny to get into the league) to know if his salary being higher than his cap hit would be an issue. I do think there will be trades once the expansion starts.

That's interesting. Let's keep our fingers crossed that they select MacDonald.
- MJL

Would be tough losing a top 4 Dman though

EDIT: Side note; when you look up Amac's contract on sportrac.com, it says similar players Seth Jones and OEL
- arichardson22

Would be tough losing a top 4 Dman though
- PhillySportsGuy

- YuenglingJagr

SAD!

But sorry if you mentioned that expansion / trade scenario recently and I missed it. I think it would be a great and savvy move by Hex if he could get rid of Amac's contract. With the addition of some rookies on their ELCs, couple of guys coming off the books, and Free Agency being a bit thin this summer, I don't think a salary retained deal involving Amac would hurt us or really interfere now or in a year or two. It also helps that we have a plethora of picks this upcoming draft.

SAD!

But sorry if you mentioned that expansion / trade scenario recently and I missed it. I think it would be a great and savvy move by Hex if he could get rid of Amac's contract. With the addition of some rookies on their ELCs, couple of guys coming off the books, and Free Agency being a bit thin this summer, I don't think a salary retained deal involving Amac would hurt us or really interfere now or in a year or two. It also helps that we have a plethora of picks this upcoming draft.
- arichardson22

I don't know when I said it in regards to the expansion draft, but I have always said I would retain 50% without blinking an eye. 2.5 million is enough for 2 guys on ELC's

I don't know when I said it in regards to the expansion draft, but I have always said I would retain 50% without blinking an eye. 2.5 million is enough for 2 guys on ELC's
- YuenglingJagr

Agreed, and we don't even have to limit our trade scenario to Vegas if you retain. But Vegas definitely presents one of the better chances/opportunities of doing so. I'm pretty excited for the expansion draft overall and what other teams are going to do. I wasn't old enough to fully grasp /remember the Wild expansion draft.

Would be tough losing a top 4 Dman though
- PhillySportsGuy

We have a glutton of defense prospects that can hopefully step up to the NHL level. Have to make room for them somehow.

Doubtful.

If I'm Vegas there isn't anything worth taking from the Flyers.
- MikesPillBottle

To be polite, that's ignorant nonsense. Vegas will get a better player from the Flyers than from several other teams.

Agreed, and we don't even have to limit our trade scenario to Vegas if you retain. But Vegas definitely presents one of the better chances/opportunities of doing so. I'm pretty excited for the expansion draft overall and what other teams are going to do. I wasn't old enough to fully grasp /remember the Wild expansion draft.
- arichardson22

Same

I think Vegas will take one of Read, Weise, Bellemare, or Neuvy. Now aside from the expansion draft, when exactly can Vegas start negotiating with other teams for trades? And I am asking for the sake of MacDonald. We've argued for a long time that Amac is a serviceable dman, but its obviously not worth his contract... So, I'm wondering if Vegas can be an opportunity to rid ourselves of his contract (not fully) aside from the Expansion Draft. Would anyone be willing to retain (say 35%?) of Amac's contract + a draft pick (2nd or 3rd; varies on % retained) to Vegas? I know salary retention isn't the most popular, but the more and more I think about our prospects and who will be the defensive core for next season, I always run into a logjam for a player who may have a chance to make the team (unless a trade occurs). I know it can be argued why Vegas would have no interest in Amac, but he's a veteran dman who can log minutes in all situations for a team; plus they gain the asset of the draft pick. Thoughts?


EDIT: Side note; when you look up Amac's contract on sportrac.com, it says similar players Seth Jones and OEL
- arichardson22

CF are smarter to so they compare it to other UFA contracts, instead of RFA deals. They also have Weal correctly listed as a UFA. I don't know why people use the bobo brand cap sites.

https://www.capfriendly.c...les/andrew-macdonald-2296

Moving MacDonald to Vegas is probably more likely than the Rags or Wings moving their cap anchors since unlike Staal, Girardi and Ericsson he has no trade protection, but I don't think it's going to happen. Vegas will be able to stock up on veteran dmen like Paul Martin with less term/cap hit thru the ED.

I'm confused. This 48-hour window is before the expansion draft. If you negotiate and come to terms, then you can sign him before the expansion draft even occurs. That would then count as the Flyers one player.

If you can't come to an agreement, then you move on and take another Flyer in the draft.
- steelydan

See the thing is you missed my point where I said they thought they were close.

48 hours prior negotiation could lead them to think it's easier to sign him before July 1 not the draft. Two totally different meanings of close.

As was stated there are going to be some wacky things the go down in this expansion draft. One I keep stating is back room agreements to take a certain player off of the unprotected list for future considerations or entry draft picks. I can see teams saying we'll give you our second for your fourth next year.

I don't think it is limited to the Flyers, but yes, that is the general idea. As has been the case with previous drafts, teams don't always want all 30 (previously fewer) players. That is why there is a rule that they HAVE to pick 20 signed players (99% sure qualified RFAs count) and the salary needs to be 60% of the floor.

It gives Vegas more money/roster space in actual free agency. I think the assumption that Vegas is going to take the best value contract from each team and will end up with 30 players that will play for them next season is completely wrong. There are going to be some picks that will appear head scratching at first. I don't know exactly how it will go down because there are 30 teams to pick from, but it is why AMac getting picked wouldn't surprise me (salary still a great reason not to pick him).

The Wild drafted Stefan Nilsson in 2000. Why is that weird? Well he retired 2 years earlier
- YuenglingJagr

they also will have a minor league team to stock so wouldn't it go to say they will be selecting prospects currently playing in the the AHL now? like a Subban from Boston

CF are smarter to so they compare it to other UFA contracts, instead of RFA deals.

https://www.capfriendly.c...les/andrew-macdonald-2296

They also have Weal correctly listed as a UFA. I don't know why people use the bobo brand cap sites.
- Feanor

I use both sites, but def prefer cap friendly as they have better functions/organization. But sportsrac won the top google search spot today so I went with them

That's interesting. Let's keep our fingers crossed that they select MacDonald.
- MJL

How is Plind doing today?

Havent back read yet but Im sure he is annoyed that the Flyers played a good game last night.
- opeth_pa

I'm doing fine. Thanks for your concern.

they also will have a minor league team to stock so wouldn't it go to say they will be selecting prospects currently playing in the the AHL now? like a Subban from Boston
- nastyflyergirl

the minor league team is in the works...rumor has it that Chicago Wolves might affiliate with Vegas for now...I wonder who their coach is?

they also will have a minor league team to stock so wouldn't it go to say they will be selecting prospects currently playing in the the AHL now? like a Subban from Boston
- nastyflyergirl

This is the latest news I've seen on their AHL plans. I think protecting Stolarz is crucial because, unlike Subban and some other prospect goalies, he won't have to pass thru waivers to get to the AHL for 17-18.

https://www.nhl.com/news/...n-free-agency/c-287943336

The Golden Knights plan to announce their American Hockey League affiliate next month.

"We're in a good place with our [AHL] club," McPhee said. "We're going to a market with a good hockey history and a team which has been winning. We'll have full authority over all hockey matters. We'll supply the coaches and many of the players. It's all about development and winning."

from Bill

Newest in my Flyers prospect series: Phantoms Profile: Sam Morin making steady progress nhl.com/flyers/news/ph… via @NHLFlyers

https://www.nhl.com/flyer...elphia-flyers/c-288133774