They need to trade this guy. He is making the Jet/Sabre trade very one sided, and we can't have that.
- Mentalorgasm5

Badgosian and ECHL Kasdord say hi

Incredibly one sided, especially since he has 1 year left on his deal and we haven't sniffed the playoffs yet, while 2 of the pieces we gave them aren't even in the NHL.
- sbroads24

Strange how a rebuilding team hasn't made the playoffs yet. The Jets have been a unstoppable force in the playoffs since making that trade with the sabres.

which other d-men did he add? not a snark post im genuinely asking in case i missed someone.


Shipped out Myers, Pysyk, McNabb

Brought in Bogo, Kulikov and Gorges(not sure how that doesnt prove my point he gave up a 2nd rounder for him?). Franson too


Edit: This isnt about specific trades and their value, just his apparent inability to identify what a good d-man looks like.
- Sabresfan-365

Gorges has been exactly what we brought him in to be as we trudged through the tank years

Ruhwedel, Nelson, Falk and Fedun were all what we thought they would be or better. Franson was a low risk grab that will more or less break even.

Neither Bogo nor Kuli worked out. I like the try in both instances, and I don't know enough about Kuli pre-sabres to say it was foolish (as I know you think). Other professional hockey people have said it was not.

Strange how a rebuilding team hasn't made the playoffs yet. The Jets have been a unstoppable force in the playoffs since making that trade with the sabres.
- Mentalorgasm5

Strange how a rebuilding team trades a big package for a defender they can't get rid of and a forward they tried trading, all the while investing in Okposo and O'Reilly and almost making it difficult to make said forward part of the long term plans

Gorges has been exactly what we brought him in to be as we trudged through the tank years

Ruhwedel, Nelson, Falk and Fedun were all what we thought they would be or better. Franson was a low risk grab that will more or less break even.

Neither Bogo nor Kuli worked out. I like the try in both instances, and I don't know enough about Kuli pre-sabres to say it was foolish (as I know you think). Other professional hockey people have said it was not.
- Der Kaiser

the lower end guys sure, the attempt to build the top 4 has been dreadful. Its actually bizzare. hes been able to identify some pretty good forwards, Rodrigues the latest of that bunch.

Badgosian and EHL Kasdord say hi
- bluengold12

K. Myers, Armia, Stafford, and Lemuiex say hi. The amazing prospect they got with our pick can't crack a lotto contending team. It's like we want to ignore the fact the jets got scraps.

Murray haters are getting testy that his trades are starting to become overwhelming one sided.

K. Myers, Armia, Stafford, and Lemuiex say hi. The amazing prospect they got with our pick can't crack a lotto contending team. It's like we want to ignore the fact the jets got scraps.

Murray haters are getting testy that his trades are starting to become overwhelming one sided.
- Mentalorgasm5

Really? Here i thought i was testy because the team isnt very good.

Incredibly one sided, especially since he has 1 year left on his deal and we haven't sniffed the playoffs yet, while 2 of the pieces we gave them aren't even in the NHL.
- sbroads24

This is rich.

Joel Armia's 12pt onslaught and two guys who can't get into the league - along with a tall skinny kid who's hurt even more than Kane - give you lots of good reasons to keep female doging about the trade.

real hot take would be me saying he's the worst of those four, which would explain why i forgot.
- Sabresfan-365

Guhle.

This is rich.

Joel Armia's 12pt onslaught and two guys who can't get into the league - along with a tall skinny kid who's hurt even more than Kane - give you lots of good reasons to keep female doging about the trade.
- Der Kaiser

This is just as rich. Just like Justin Bailey "couldn't get into the league"

Guhle.
- Wetbandit1

This is good.

Evan Rodriguez is quietly pretty good at this hockey.

K. Myers, Armia, Stafford, and Lemuiex say hi. The amazing prospect they got with our pick can't crack a lotto contending team. It's like we want to ignore the fact the jets got scraps.

Murray haters are getting testy that his trades are starting to become overwhelming one sided.
- Mentalorgasm5

The difference is he traded for a defenceman who had four or five years left on his deal at a cap hit that ranks him comparable to the top defenceman in the league. 5.1 million for a player as terrible as Bogosian is in his own end is unacceptable. Even if Murray thought he could be a solid 3 or 4 guy getting stuck with that contract is way worse than having Myers and Stafford. Now I love having Kane and if getting Bogosian was the only way we could get Kane I guess I could see it if Murray made them take some salary back but I believe if I recall correctly Murray wanted Bogosian and now we're stuck with him.

This is good.
- Sabresfan-365

Guhle can't get into the league

Guhle can't get into the league
- sbroads24

is he from one of the 7 countries?

the lower end guys sure, the attempt to build the top 4 has been dreadful. Its actually bizzare. hes been able to identify some pretty good forwards, Rodrigues the latest of that bunch.
- Sabresfan-365

You're writing the guy off for two trades: the second piece of a two part deal where everyone but you and SBroads think we won the top piece; and the main piece of another deal where most people conclude there's no way to evaluate the deal because of Kulikov injury.

They are both misses.

But they're not cardinal sins.

You're writing the guy off for two trades: the second piece of a two part deal where everyone but you and SBroads think we won the top piece; and the main piece of another deal where most people conclude there's no way to evaluate the deal because of Kulikov injury.

They are both misses.

But they're not cardinal sins.
- Der Kaiser

If you're referring to kane, ive said several times its not the player its the timing that bothers me.

I call bs on the kulikov one. His defensive short comings are all between the ears, not a result of lack of speed or something.

If Kane can stop yoking chicks he could be a big fan favorite here.

This is good.
- Sabresfan-365

I really don't think it's fair to judge Kulikov for this year.

Bogo on the other hand has been a failure mostly because, as we've both agreed on, he's pigeonholed into defensive d-man because he likes to hit, but if he were allowed to play a more Risto-like role he would be better, maybe not $5.whateverM good, but better than he is trying to be a shutdown defender.


I love how these guys can take a 100mph slapshot off the ankle and still be fine with just a slight limp, but bump into them? They act like they've been shot by a sniper.

Kane is eating Subban's lunch

This is just as rich. Just like Justin Bailey "couldn't get into the league"
- sbroads24

How many NHL games for Lemieux, and Roslovic?

Bailey's got 21

If Kane can stop yoking chicks he could be a big fan favorite here.
- Pierceme69

I think he's having a helluva year. But it will be meaningless because this team is garbage

Sabres' 2nd periods have been pretty good lately.

I really don't think it's fair to judge Kulikov for this year.

Bogo on the other hand has been a failure mostly because, as we've both agreed on, he's pigeonholed into defensive d-man because he likes to hit, but if he were allowed to play a more Risto-like role he would be better, maybe not $5.whateverM good, but better than he is trying to be a shutdown defender.


I love how these guys can take a 100mph slapshot off the ankle and still be fine with just a slight limp, but bump into them? They act like they've been shot by a sniper.
- Wetbandit1

equipment cutbacks im sure

How many NHL games for Lemieux, and Roslovic?

Bailey's got 21
- Der Kaiser

Nylander - 0 NHL games
Chychrun - 48 NHL games

We got the wrong guy apparently