He's going to carry you guys to the 2nd worst record in the east.
- Mr.Bobby

Rude

Rude
- Feds91Stammer

We need this Feds. A top 5 pick is our destiny. you can pick right after us.

We need this Feds. A top 5 pick is our destiny. you can pick right after us.
- Mr.Bobby

Well the god damn Canucks are making the Wings look like a powerhouse right now

Well the god damn Canucks are making the Wings look like a powerhouse right now
- Feds91Stammer

Blame the mumps. I've got faith they pass us both. Colorado, Arizona, Dallas, Winnipeg are going to be bottom 4. Toss in Vegas and that bottom 5 pick is tough to achieve.

If Weber played for the laffs he would be a bolded number 1 on this homer list of Tanner's.

If Weber played for the laffs he would be a bolded number 1 on this homer list of Tanner's.
- maxbart5

Nahh

Yes but every player on the ice should contribute in every zone.
- Feds91Stammer

It's just a fundamental lack of understanding of how the game works. The best defense is to always have the puck in their zone. Period.

It's just a fundamental lack of understanding of how the game works. The best defense is to always have the puck in their zone. Period.
- Blackstrom2

Philosophical differences. Eat your text book.

Sometimes, in the game of hockey, the puck is brought into your zone. That's where defensemen come in. To defend.

It's just a fundamental lack of understanding of how the game works. The best defense is to always have the puck in their zone. Period.
- Blackstrom2

the best dmen in the league generally have possession numbers in the mid 50s. so the opposing team still has the puck 45% of the team. Corsi nut posters have to start to clue in that even the top possession dmen in the NHL still have to defend. coaches and GMs know this. you people have to smarten up. NOTHING excuses an ability to defend, for a dman.

Philosophical differences. Eat your text book.

Sometimes, in the game of hockey, the puck is brought into your zone. That's where defensemen come in. To defend.
- kinigitt

not just sometimes. almost half the game. for everyone even the best. EVERYONE.

Any list that doesn't have Suter, Weber, and Pietrangelo on it is trolling for hits...
- NugentHallberle

Any list that does is made by someone incompetent.

Gardiner made another brilliant play on San Jose's winning goal.

There's nothing to suggest anything of the sort.
- BINGO!

Nope. I'd be surprised if after I'm done reading these I come across a worse comment.

It doesn't matter, the theory is the same. Usage is usage. Just because a player succeeds in a lesser role doesn't mean they will succeed in a larger role.
- Rinosaur

It's a fact that math has proven and the masses ignore: there really is almost no difference in who you play against at the NHL level.

Leddy has the same amount of points as Niskanen, in two more games. Leddy has 20 even strength points to Niskanen's 22 and Orlov's 21. The possession numbers aren't even close. Quit lyin.

Leddy is 6th d-man on his team in short handed ice time. Niskanen sees almost two more minutes a game short handed than Leddy. Leddy sees more than a minute more a game on the PP, and yet only has 3 more PPP than Niskanen.

Need I go on?
- Blackstrom2

I admit I probably should have had Nick Leddy in the top 30. But who do you cut? I had 40 and I didn't like cutting any of the eight I did cut.

Gardner better than Reilly?
Do you watch the games?
- imysam

Holy ___ do you? Jake Gardiner is having a career year and has been one of the best players in the NHL this season.

I'm impressed he can count to thirty.
- Cptmjl

Haha says a guy who openly supports Trump. You don't wanna know what I think about you.

No Rasmus Ristolainen?!?!?!

He only leads the league in PP Assists and logs around 25 minutes of ice time per game on one of the worst teams in the league. Take him any day of the week over at least 1/3 of this list.
- djc1877

This isn't a list of most mediocre second-pairing defensemen.

the best dmen in the league generally have possession numbers in the mid 50s. so the opposing team still has the puck 45% of the team. Corsi nut posters have to start to clue in that even the top possession dmen in the NHL still have to defend. coaches and GMs know this. you people have to smarten up. NOTHING excuses an ability to defend, for a dman.
- prock

The 10 percentage points you're talking about make such a difference that it should be expressed in bigger numbers to make the point more.

A 55% CF dman is more effective than the best defensive player in the world at actual defense if that guy is under 50% Which is why you hardly see any Roman Polaks anymore.

the best dmen in the league generally have possession numbers in the mid 50s. so the opposing team still has the puck 45% of the team. Corsi nut posters have to start to clue in that even the top possession dmen in the NHL still have to defend. coaches and GMs know this. you people have to smarten up. NOTHING excuses an ability to defend, for a dman.
- prock

If a guy is bad at defense but his team always wins the shot share when he is on the ice is that guy actually bad at defense or is it just a figment of your imagination?

If a guy is bad at defense but his team always wins the shot share when he is on the ice is that guy actually bad at defense or is it just a figment of your imagination?
- Feds91Stammer

Yes.

Yes.
- kinigitt

Any list that does is made by someone incompetent.
- James_Tanner

Logging 25+ minutes a night and in top 25 in points makes you a poor defenseman I guess...

I'd much rather have Orlov who logs 19 minutes a night with less points on a better team, against weak competition, and never plays on the penalty kill.

You simply can't just go off of CF and 5v5 points... This is (frank)ing lunacy.

The 10 percentage points you're talking about make such a difference that it should be expressed in bigger numbers to make the point more.

A 55% CF dman is more effective than the best defensive player in the world at actual defense if that guy is under 50% Which is why you hardly see any Roman Polaks anymore.
- James_Tanner

What do you have to back that up?

If a guy is bad at defense but his team always wins the shot share when he is on the ice is that guy actually bad at defense or is it just a figment of your imagination?
- Feds91Stammer

He's very possibly actually bad at defense. If there are two dmen, both have a CF of 50%, one has a CF and CA per 60 of 40, the other has a CF and CA against of 80, who is better at defending?

Just because someone drives more shots, to compensate for giving up a poop tonne of them, doesn't mean they're good at defending. It means they're sacrificing defense for offense. And there are players that play like that, that frequently give up lots of odd man rushes. Those are the kinds of things that more frequently end up at the back of their own net.