The unwanted are busts that need to be dumped. That's the attitude from those who don't like a player.
- Nuck4U

That literally sums up every poster in this thread, probably every poster on this site actually

How so? The defense doesn't look any worse at all without him. You'd hope his loss would be more felt if you're planning to pay him top 4 dman money. Weird that Garrison/Hamhuis was criticized for being inconsistent and struggling against speed, but yet it's fine when Gudbranson struggled in similar fashion.
- Nucker101

The story has not been full written...
Depth on D answers his being not missed as much.
Further it allows more assets on D to be bargaining chips.

FKN right.


We want a culture change people say... but only through the draft. That isn't realistic at all... drafting by culture and type... Lefty again is out to lunch. I understand drafting best player available and drafting by position... but typically, your culture will be defined later as a group and if they are coming from the draft mostly, it's going to be like throwing a cup of dice.
- boonerbuck

https://www.sportingchart...team-hit-statistics/2016/

Kings are 1st in hits per game, 22nd in the standings

Coyotes are 2nd in hits per game, but 2nd last in the league

Flyers are 5th in hits per game, yet 18th in the standings

Hawks dead last in hits, 6th in the league

Wild 29th in hits per game, yet 2nd in the league

That literally sums up every poster in this thread, probably every poster on this site actually
- Nucker101

Sucker101 --- do you really think Philly can jump over the teams and make the playoffs? They seem to lack any sustained dominance.

The story has not been full written...
Depth on D answers his being not missed as much.
Further it allows more assets on D to be bargaining chips.
- Nighthawk

Yet the team's goals against average was way worse when Tanev was injured despite that depth.

That literally sums up every poster in this thread, probably every poster on this site actually
- Nucker101

Take 'every' n shove it. My patience is fine. The hysteria i am not a part of.

https://www.sportingchart...team-hit-statistics/2016/

Kings are 1st in hits per game, 22nd in the standings

Coyotes are 2nd in hits per game, but 2nd last in the league

Flyers are 5th in hits per game, yet 18th in the standings

Hawks dead last in hits, 6th in the league

Wild 29th in hits per game, yet 2nd in the league
- Nucker101

Hit Stats are done by the home team and not the NHL. Worst, most screwed and rotten stat ever.

Yet the team's goals against average was way worse when Tanev was injured despite that depth.
- Nucker101

Thats why he is a shutdown D & valuable.
Centrepiece in a trade would fill a need.
Allows our depth to evolve into the next core.

With the steady emergence of Tryamkin & Stecher we can leverage our D for other needs. Top 6 C tops the list but hardest to find. Next up scoring LW. Blue chip prospects would be another option. Picks r not really helpful.

Hit Stats are done by the home team and not the NHL. Worst, most screwed and rotten stat ever.
- Beatle_john

Kings are still 1st in road hits

Sabres are 4th in road hits

Flames 6th

Avs 7th

Hawks last

Wild 2nd last

Sharks 4th last

Pens 6th last

With the steady emergence of Tryamkin & Stecher we can leverage our D for other needs. Top 6 C tops the list but hardest to find. Next up scoring LW. Blue chip prospects would be another option. Picks r not really helpful.
- Nighthawk

Nah, a couple of 2nd round picks for a good prospect or a team trying not to lose someone to the Vegas Noodles.

Kings are still 1st in road hits

Sabres are 4th in road hits

Flames 6th

Avs 7th

Hawks last

Wild 2nd last

Sharks 4th last

Pens 6th last
- Nucker101

Well you stick to the importance of those and I will see you at the bottom of the hockey pool.

Well you stick to the importance of those and I will see you at the bottom of the hockey pool.
- Beatle_john

Aight..good talk

Aight..good talk
- Nucker101

Well your point is 100% moot?!?!



The larger the team (LA) the harder it is for the home team to hide hits. This is basic stuff.


"Team Hits" mean nothing. http://www.jacketscannon....-statistic-vs-the-reality

"

To Hit or Not to Hit: A Statistic That Misses The Mark

The concept of the "hit" in the NHL is a misunderstood and misused statistic, which bears only the slightest resemblance to the reality on the ice. Time to dig deep and set the record straight. "

Nah, a couple of 2nd round picks for a good prospect or a team trying not to lose someone to the Vegas Noodles.
- Beatle_john

Its Tanev i was referring to bud.
Something substantial would need to come back our way.

Its Tanev i was referring to bud.
Something substantial would need to come back our way.
- Nighthawk

Sorry, I didn;t pick up on that. I like Tanev.... totally dependable guy.

https://www.sportingchart...team-hit-statistics/2016/

Kings are 1st in hits per game, 22nd in the standings

Coyotes are 2nd in hits per game, but 2nd last in the league

Flyers are 5th in hits per game, yet 18th in the standings

Hawks dead last in hits, 6th in the league

Wild 29th in hits per game, yet 2nd in the league
- Nucker101

Duh. The better teams have the puck more, thus have less hits.

Sorry, I didn;t pick up on that. I like Tanev.... totally dependable guy.
- Beatle_john

I like him also but always circle back to him with expansion draft on the horizon.
He will fetch a serious return & i'm on board for the trade.

Duh. The better teams have the puck more, thus have less hits.

- Scooby_Doo

woah



So you're saying puck possession is what really matters?

Duh. The better teams have the puck more, thus have less hits.

- Scooby_Doo

Better skating teams hit less.
Grunt teams like LAK its hit & retrieve.

- Sbisa has no leverage, paying him 3.6M per was just inexcusable, it made no sense on any level

- Regarding the bold, it's hilarious to keep seeing these comments from you guys. Then 6-12 months later we get hit with "well hindsight is 20/20". Seems like a great way for you guys to just deflect anything.

- I'm well aware that JB/Linden sold Aquilini on the re-tool on the fly plan. That's fine, but their execution of that plan has been terrible. They've overvalued veteran role players and forced young players to play in over their heads(McCann struggled after a hot start, Virtanen before the WJHC was struggling, Hutton was expected to be a top 4 dman heading into this year, etc.).
- Nucker101

All right, where to start. Oh yeah, Sbisa had all the leverage to get paid almost all of what is on his contract. He was set to get a raise under the CBA. He got what, 100 to 200k more than he was guaranteed... that's what you have been beefing over for over two years. You lost your poop over that. Everyone remembers it... but continue on.... by all means.

JB and Linden sold the retool on the fly to FA? Did FA want to teardown and they said to do it on the fly instead? I don't honestly understand... I mean, if you look at the massive investment FA just made to the core of the team,,, doesn't that sound a bit weird? Sounds like trying to stay competitive while those contracts were here would be FA's desire... wouldn't have to sell it to him.

Veteran role players would be much better if healthy. You were using last season as something to judge Sutter in the past. He was out most of the season after being traded. Looks ok this season... Guddy, out long term with injury after being traded... judged already... we are way more physical and abrasive with Dorsett in the line up... out long term... not that he's popular when he's in... but it's obvious when he and Guddy is out just how much we could use their physical play.

Injuries really played a factor in players playing over their heads. I forget who was hurt just before McCann and JV made the team but last season is an odd ball season to say players were playing in over their head like Hutton and McCann. We had an injury holocaust last season. These things all factor into it. It's not all mistake and planned out that way ahead of time. Give a rookie 9 games and he's your hottest player and you've lost a center to injury... it's going to work out like this.

Is this eraser you use one of the nice smelling white ones? I always loved them.

woah



So you're saying puck possession is what really matters?
- Nucker101

OK goodnight Troll.

A'ight? (Did I spell that right?) Who types in broken ebonics anyways?

Booner u pen some good history & explain it well.
If ppl relaxed a bit & live in the present they will see better times r ahead.
How much & how soon is too early to call but it will happen.
Each year that we draft & develop properly is one more year we r better off.
We have never been in this type of position in our history so lets keep an open mind.
2017 we should be expecting more consistency & real improvement.
2018 is the year of judgement where as all the prospects make their mark.
Beyond that it'll define if JB is on the right path or fired. I say he doing fine.
Only LE will have a large contract as an older vet freeing up cap for RFA's now/later.
Cap management will always be most important with drafting only enhancing us.
As we currently stand our cap is good & prospects r encouraging with more to come.

Booner u pen some good history & explain it well.
If ppl relaxed a bit & live in the present they will see better times r ahead.
How much & how soon is too early to call but it will happen.
Each year that we draft & develop properly is one more year we r better off.
We have never been in this type of position in our history so lets keep an open mind.
2017 we should be expecting more consistency & real improvement.
2018 is the year of judgement where as all the prospects make their mark.
Beyond that it'll define if JB is on the right path or fired. I say he doing fine.
Only LE will have a large contract as an older vet freeing up cap for RFA's now/later.
Cap management will always be most important with drafting only enhancing us.
As we currently stand our cap is good & prospects r encouraging with more to come.
- Nighthawk

Well said.

Yet the team's goals against average was way worse when Tanev was injured despite that depth.
- Nucker101

Edler was out as well too for a lot of that time. However, you are using a certain set of stats to slant reality. You are not factoring in circumstances at the time. Like raw rookie D men. Plus rookie grad Hutton to be led by wrist injured and still adjusting to team/conference Guddy. He's not a top pairing D to take all that on but was forced into that at the time. Anyway, he brings certain aspects to the D that balances his value. It's beyond fancy stats. Time will tell how that works out.