Weber is the PP specialist you think Schultz and Krug are. Weber is average at best at 5v5.
- Feds91Stammer

Sure. Thanks.

Pretty sure he was being uhh sarcastic.
- Rinosaur

No lol I was asking the question, thehockeywriters.com is a blog website too

I'm not discounting points, as you need to score to win games, and Schultz is very adept at that. And I don't think his defensive game, while not dominate, is horrendous, either. However, maybe I'm way too old school, but I've always felt that a defenseman should be a good defender first, and then a good offensive player second. Paul Coffey should never have won a Norris because he was a turnstile defensively. I think that guys like Schultz and Krug are good players who should play 2nd/3rd pair matchups with top PP time. But if I had to pick a type of player for the Norris, I'll take a player who plays all manpower situations, can be out in the last minute of a game whether you're winning or losing by one goal, and still puts up good point totals.

Right now, my finalists would be Hedman, Weber, and Werenski.
- jmatchett383

Not much of a best defense is a good offense guy eh?

Sure. Thanks.
- jmatchett383

Yeah no problem.

No lol I was asking the question, thehockeywriters.com is a blog website too
- j.boyd919

There's been some speculation from guys like DK, Yohe, TIOPS and I even think Dreger or someone like him commented on it a little while back. I can't remember which one of those analysts like Dreger talked about it, but the mentioned how Schultz could be extended prior the season's end making around the same money as Maatta.

There's been some speculation from guys like DK, Yohe, TIOPS and I even think Dreger or someone like him commented on it a little while back. I can't remember which one of those analysts like Dreger talked about it, but the mentioned how Schultz could be extended prior the season's end making around the same money as Maatta.
- Rinosaur

I have more insider information than Dreger FWIW

Yeah no problem.
- Feds91Stammer

Which other "PP specialists" lead their respective team in SH TOI/GP?

Yeah, I know corsi and such.

He's actually have a pretty great season this year. But what do I know, I only watch him more often than when my favorite team plays against Montreal.
- jmatchett383

Weber hasn't been very good the last 15 or so games production wise.

I have more insider information than Dreger FWIW
- Feds91Stammer

Everyone knows someone who knows someone who hangs out in the locker room that knows someone.

There's been some speculation from guys like DK, Yohe, TIOPS and I even think Dreger or someone like him commented on it a little while back. I can't remember which one of those analysts like Dreger talked about it, but the mentioned how Schultz could be extended prior the season's end making around the same money as Maatta.
- Rinosaur

If they get him for around 4mil.. I guess I'm okay with that, I'd prefer 3.5-3.75 per

Which other "PP specialists" lead their respective team in SH TOI/GP?
- jmatchett383

PP Specialists? Like a urologist?

Everyone knows someone who knows someone who hangs out in the locker room that knows someone.
- Rinosaur

I meant that as in I have no insider information which is more than Dreger.

Everyone knows someone who knows someone who hangs out in the locker room that knows someone.
- Rinosaur

Hahaah no, that's just me and the Lightning

Which other "PP specialists" lead their respective team in SH TOI/GP?
- jmatchett383

Well considering PK success is largely system based quite frankly I don't give a poop.

Not much of a best defense is a good offense guy eh?
- j.boyd919

I'd prefer a guy like Bobby Orr or Ray Bourque preferably, the best 2 defensemen of all time, but guys like Niedermayer, Pronger, Blake, MacInnis, and Lidstrom were all great players even if you remove their offensive numbers. To me, you have to be a great defender first, and then add the offense to get the Norris.

If they get him for around 4mil.. I guess I'm okay with that, I'd prefer 3.5-3.75 per
- j.boyd919

That's what I was hoping for as well, but if he keeps this up he could cross the $4M threshold and price himself out of the Pens. If I were JR, I'd try and lock him into a $4M/3 year deal right now if he'd go for that.

I also have to think, while he's not an old player, he's going to place term a little higher than salary. $3.75/4 years would be fair IMO.

Which other "PP specialists" lead their respective team in SH TOI/GP?
- jmatchett383

Oh and Weber has poopty relative 4v5 metrics as well. Just because he gets a lot of ice time doesn't mean he is actually successful.

Well considering PK success is largely system based quite frankly I don't give a poop.
- Feds91Stammer

I didn't say "success", I'm asking why he leads his team in SH TOI if he's nothing but a PP specialist. Unless every coach he's ever had at the NHL level has horribly misused him by putting a guy who's nothing but an offensive PP specialist on the PK.

I'd prefer a guy like Bobby Orr or Ray Bourque preferably, the best 2 defensemen of all time, but guys like Niedermayer, Pronger, Blake, MacInnis, and Lidstrom were all great players even if you remove their offensive numbers. To me, you have to be a great defender first, and then add the offense to get the Norris.
- jmatchett383

Bourque over Lidstrom? GTFO.

I didn't say "success", I'm asking why he leads his team in SH TOI if he's nothing but a PP specialist. Unless every coach he's ever had at the NHL level has horribly misused him by putting a guy who's nothing but an offensive PP specialist on the PK.
- jmatchett383

Because MT is a poop coach. I was talking about PP specialist in his actual abilities not his actual usage.

Bourque over Lidstrom? GTFO.
- Feds91Stammer

You can make an argument for both. It's not THAT cut and dry.

Because MT is a poop coach. I was talking about PP specialist in his actual abilities not his actual usage.
- Feds91Stammer

I deleted my post, but let's leave it at this: How about we both just ignore each other posts in the future, because we're screaming at walls?

I'd prefer a guy like Bobby Orr or Ray Bourque preferably, the best 2 defensemen of all time, but guys like Niedermayer, Pronger, Blake, MacInnis, and Lidstrom were all great players even if you remove their offensive numbers. To me, you have to be a great defender first, and then add the offense to get the Norris.
- jmatchett383

Not sure I can pick Bourque over Lidstrom

You can make an argument for both. It's not THAT cut and dry.
- Rinosaur

Yeah, it's close

I deleted my post, but let's leave it at this: How about we both just ignore each other posts in the future, because we're screaming at walls?
- jmatchett383

I'm not screaming at all.