So what's the over under on a JR trade? Usually he does stuff a week or two early...
- nh4442

His bigger deals seem to happen in December and January. I'm not sure how much his lack of movement is telling of their plans or is more of a result of a general stagnancy of trades around the league.

It's a weird year and I think the impending expansion draft has teams being much more careful.

If I'm a betting man, I say he doesn't make any moves until the actual deadline at this point... MAYBE a day or two before.

Sour cream.
- MattStrat

This just seems so wrong.

Justin Schultz is a nice player, but he will not be a Norris finalist. I'd be shocked if he even gets one top-5 vote.
- jmatchett383

I'd be shocked if he doesn't end up top 5. He has all the credentials the jabronis voting on it love. Points and a good plus minus.

I'd be shocked if he doesn't end up top 5. He has all the credentials the jabronis voting on it love. Points and a good plus minus.
- Feds91Stammer

The most important thing in the voting is "name" and he doesn't have that. Ask the "experts" around the league and they'll tell you that Duncan Keith and Drew Doughty are more deserving.

The most important thing in the voting is "name" and he doesn't have that. Ask the "experts" around the league and they'll tell you that Duncan Keith and Drew Doughty are more deserving.
- jmatchett383

I don't know that "name" will be important. I think if you finish in the top five in points amongst defensemen, you're automatically part of the equation.

EDIT: Yes, certain names are important, but "name" alone isn't enough.

The most important thing in the voting is "name" and he doesn't have that. Ask the "experts" around the league and they'll tell you that Duncan Keith and Drew Doughty are more deserving.
- jmatchett383

Well yeah obviously that is why Doughty got a career achievement award last year. They still won't ignore Schultz and his plus 30 rating though.

I don't know that "name" will be important. I think if you finish in the top five in points amongst defensemen, you're automatically part of the equation.
- Rinosaur

Nah. Doughty had no business winning it last year but did because of the name.

Nah. Doughty had no business winning it last year but did because of the name.
- Feds91Stammer

I amended what I said. I meant more about who finishes in the top five in voting, not who wins it.

I amended what I said. I meant more about who finishes in the top five in voting, not who wins it.
- Rinosaur

Meh. Klingberg finished 6th in voting last year even though he was 5th in points and a plus 22.

Yeah on hot or buffalo wings..delish...might just be a Canadian thing but its a very common thing around here.
- MattStrat

I've dipped potato chips in sour cream if I didn't have french onion dip.. that's worked. I feel like.. sour cream on wings wouldn't be that bad.

Meh. Klingberg finished 6th in voting last year even though he was 5th in points and a plus 22.
- Feds91Stammer

That's a little black and white. It depends on the points of the surrounding players. If he finishes with 60ish points and is #3 or #4, it's different than being on the cusp.

Regardless, if he doesn't waiver, he could garner more money than what hockey writers were projecting.

That's a little black and white. It depends on the points of the surrounding players. If he finishes with 60ish points and is #3 or #4, it's different than being on the cusp.

Regardless, if he doesn't waiver, he could garner more money than what hockey writers were projecting.
- Rinosaur

hockey writers like thehockeywriters.com?

That's a little black and white. It depends on the points of the surrounding players. If he finishes with 60ish points and is #3 or #4, it's different than being on the cusp.

Regardless, if he doesn't waiver, he could garner more money than what hockey writers were projecting.
- Rinosaur

So he is 4th now. How much different is 4th than 5th? Biggest thing Schultz has over a guy like Klingberg is that he isn't a Euro.

hockey writers like thehockeywriters.com?
- j.boyd919

I will laugh when some team offers Schultz 6x6

So he is 4th now. How much different is 4th than 5th? Biggest thing Schultz has over a guy like Klingberg is that he isn't a Euro.
- Feds91Stammer

I'm not discounting points, as you need to score to win games, and Schultz is very adept at that. And I don't think his defensive game, while not dominate, is horrendous, either. However, maybe I'm way too old school, but I've always felt that a defenseman should be a good defender first, and then a good offensive player second. Paul Coffey should never have won a Norris because he was a turnstile defensively. I think that guys like Schultz and Krug are good players who should play 2nd/3rd pair matchups with top PP time. But if I had to pick a type of player for the Norris, I'll take a player who plays all manpower situations, can be out in the last minute of a game whether you're winning or losing by one goal, and still puts up good point totals.

Right now, my finalists would be Hedman, Weber, and Werenski.

So he is 4th now. How much different is 4th than 5th? Biggest thing Schultz has over a guy like Klingberg is that he isn't a Euro.
- Feds91Stammer

I think it depends on the point-gap come the end of the season.

hockey writers like thehockeywriters.com?
- j.boyd919

It's always good for the flow of conversation when you add these wonderfully sarcastic remarks. Keep it up!

I'm not discounting points, as you need to score to win games, and Schultz is very adept at that. And I don't think his defensive game, while not dominate, is horrendous, either. However, maybe I'm way too old school, but I've always felt that a defenseman should be a good defender first, and then a good offensive player second. Paul Coffey should never have won a Norris because he was a turnstile defensively. I think that guys like Schultz and Krug are good players who should play 2nd/3rd pair matchups with top PP time. But if I had to pick a type of player for the Norris, I'll take a player who plays all manpower situations, can be out in the last minute of a game whether you're winning or losing by one goal, and still puts up good point totals.

Right now, my finalists would be Hedman, Weber, and Werenski.
- jmatchett383

The fact that you included Weber disqualifies your opinion. Sorry.

It's always good for the flow of conversation when you add these wonderfully sarcastic remarks. Keep it up!
- Rinosaur

Pretty sure he was uhh asking a question...

The fact that you included Weber disqualifies your opinion. Sorry.
- Feds91Stammer

Yeah, I know corsi and such.

He's actually have a pretty great season this year. But what do I know, I only watch him more often than when my favorite team plays against Montreal.

I'm not discounting points, as you need to score to win games, and Schultz is very adept at that. And I don't think his defensive game, while not dominate, is horrendous, either. However, maybe I'm way too old school, but I've always felt that a defenseman should be a good defender first, and then a good offensive player second. Paul Coffey should never have won a Norris because he was a turnstile defensively. I think that guys like Schultz and Krug are good players who should play 2nd/3rd pair matchups with top PP time. But if I had to pick a type of player for the Norris, I'll take a player who plays all manpower situations, can be out in the last minute of a game whether you're winning or losing by one goal, and still puts up good point totals.

Right now, my finalists would be Hedman, Weber, and Werenski.
- jmatchett383

I'm also not discounting everything you guys are saying. A players name and reputation definitely factor into the voting, but it's not EVERYTHING. I should retract saying Schultz will definitely be a finalist, but I still believe if he keeps this pace up he will make a very good case to be a finalist therefore upping his contract number.

I'm also not discounting everything you guys are saying. A players name and reputation definitely factor into the voting, but it's not EVERYTHING. I should retract saying Schultz will definitely be a finalist, but I still believe if he keeps this pace up he will make a very good case to be a finalist therefore upping his contract number.
- Rinosaur

I can get down with that. I just don't think he's viewed as enough of a difference maker on the team to get the votes.

Pretty sure he was uhh asking a question...
- Feds91Stammer

Pretty sure he was being uhh sarcastic.

I can get down with that. I just don't think he's viewed as enough of a difference maker on the team to get the votes.
- jmatchett383

Fair enough.

Yeah, I know corsi and such.

He's actually have a pretty great season this year. But what do I know, I only watch him more often than when my favorite team plays against Montreal.
- jmatchett383

Weber is the PP specialist you think Schultz and Krug are. Weber is average at best at 5v5.