J35Bacher
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 04.03.2014
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I totally agree with this. Haskol is misusing players, destroying confidence and his choice of linemates is so frustrating. You can not expect Giroux to start producing with Weiss and Raffl on his line. Claude must be saying wtf is going on here! - joegreif17
And you know this?
So hakstol misused Gostisbehere last year? If Gostisbehere was producing would he have scratched him?
I am pretty sure the coach started the season with the top line same as last year where Schenn produced. If they were producing you think he would have changed it up?
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Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken |
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Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz. Joined: 09.20.2013
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CLAUDE GIROUX IS NO LONGER IN HIS PRIME!!!!! - Flyers Time
NO I DON'T GIVE A poop ABOUT THAT. I'M HAVING A HARD TIME EATING THIS GOD FORSAKEN GRAPEFRUIT WITH A PLASTIC SPOON |
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Flyers Time
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Bounce Back Baby Joined: 08.08.2007
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NO I DON'T GIVE A poop ABOUT THAT. I'M HAVING A HARD TIME EATING THIS GOD FORSAKEN GRAPEFRUIT WITH A PLASTIC SPOON - Streit2ThePoint
1st world problems |
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dragonoffrost
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Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ Joined: 10.12.2015
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I'M JUST FRUSTRATED, OK?!? - Streit2ThePoint
Temptation, Frustration... |
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J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 04.03.2014
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. Streit, MDZ, and one of the goalies moved out at the tdl for whatever we can get.
. Start listening to potential offers on Simmonds, Giroux, Schenn, and/or Voracek
. Move at least one of the 3 mentioned above at the draft for another top pick or a young cost controlled player (preferably a center) with a high ceiling.
. Provorov and Ghost are untouchable
. I'd prefer to keep Couturier but if someone offers something substantial he's free to go too. - Mordecai
Sorry but Gostisbehere isn't an untouchable.
There are plenty of deals where I could move Gostisbehere. Also I think with Sanheim and Myers in your system you have offensive/two way guys that can bring what Gostisbehere does but also not be sheltered defensively.
Also I expect Provorov to continue to develop offensively. |
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Flyers Time
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Bounce Back Baby Joined: 08.08.2007
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ivan prorovov gives me hope |
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Konalover
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: HI Joined: 11.03.2015
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We resemble a college hockey team...
Coincidence? |
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Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: not very poggers Joined: 08.27.2015
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Sorry but Gostisbehere isn't an untouchable.
There are plenty of deals where I could move Gostisbehere. Also I think with Sanheim and Myers in your system you have offensive/two way guys that can bring what Gostisbehere does but also not be sheltered defensively.
Also I expect Provorov to continue to develop offensively. - J35Bacher
Id prefer to keep Ghost and get him signed to a cheaper mid/long term deal with the hopes that he breaks out offensively again. I don't like giving up on young defenseman so early. |
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dragonoffrost
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Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ Joined: 10.12.2015
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ivan prorovov gives me hope - Flyers Time
Help us Ivan, You're our only hope! |
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J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 04.03.2014
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Id prefer to keep Ghost and get him signed to a cheaper mid/long term deal with the hopes that he breaks out offensively again. I don't like giving up on young defenseman so early. - Mordecai
I am not giving up on him.
But I could see deals where I would be fine moving him. Everything is relative on return.
Like someone mentioned the other day a rumor of something like Trouba for Gostisbehere. ME. I do that in a heartbeat. |
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Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: not very poggers Joined: 08.27.2015
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I am not giving up on him.
But I could see deals where I would be fine moving him. Everything is relative on return.
Like someone mentioned the other day a rumor of something like Trouba for Gostisbehere. ME. I do that in a heartbeat. - J35Bacher
Meh I'm not a huge Trouba fan. He's going to demand a lot of money. |
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dragonoffrost
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Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ Joined: 10.12.2015
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Meh I'm not a huge Trouba fan. He's going to demand a lot of money. - Mordecai
Maybe maybe not. He really wants out of the Peg so maybe that's why contract rumors were so high.
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J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 04.03.2014
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[quote=dragonoffrost]Maybe maybe not. He really wants out of the Peg so maybe that's why contract rumors were so high.
Agree.
Remember what Hamilton was rumored to want from Boston but then signed a solid deal in Calgary.
I just think he wants out of Winnipeg. |
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arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Philly, PA Joined: 06.10.2013
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ivan prorovov gives me hope - Flyers Time
Provorov is a healthier version of viagra. |
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SuperSchennBros
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Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot! Joined: 09.01.2012
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Sorry but Gostisbehere isn't an untouchable.
There are plenty of deals where I could move Gostisbehere. Also I think with Sanheim and Myers in your system you have offensive/two way guys that can bring what Gostisbehere does but also not be sheltered defensively.
Also I expect Provorov to continue to develop offensively. - J35Bacher
Well than Ghost should be untouchable if he isn't. He's young, he's being used terribly. |
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Just5
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: PA Joined: 05.22.2008
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There are so many teams jumbled together below the flyers it's going to be tough to tank below them. Especially if we're going to keep this defensive posture going. 3 point games are a tank killer |
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J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 04.03.2014
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Well than Ghost should be untouchable if he isn't. He's young, he's being used terribly. - SuperSchennBros
Can someone tell me how he is being used terribly?
He is still on the top PP, Still being asked to produce offense. The Flyers just want him to be more well rounded.
It's not like they are asking him to be a shutdown defender and stop shooting pucks. |
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jak521
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Buckle Up. Joined: 02.19.2008
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Can someone tell me how he is being used terribly?
He is still on the top PP, Still being asked to produce offense. The Flyers just want him to be more well rounded.
It's not like they are asking him to be a shutdown defender and stop shooting pucks. - J35Bacher
I disagree 120%. Not just with you but pretty much everyone...
Him being out of the lineup really has less to do with his defense than it does with what he is doing on offense.
Let me pose this question for everyone. If he better or worse defensively in his own zone this year?
I dont think that much has changed. He isnt great, but he isnt terrible. The big difference is in his offense. He just isnt scoring like he did last year. Not scoring when you are an offensive d-man is gonna get you on the bench. |
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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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I have zero issue with a rebuild. Hell they have been trying since the 'new nhl' to do a 'retool' instead or however they call it. Not sure thats what I am advocating for but it wouldn't be the end of the world either.
Personally I can watch a team of kids lose, knowing you are seeing growth. Watching a bunch of guys who have basically next to nothing to offer - knowing they are not part of your future, or vets that constantly leave you 'hoping for more' is boring trash hockey. I watch to be entertained as well, not just for some foolish loyalty.
The last thing this club needs to do is become a consistent middle of the pack mediocre club hanging on to hopes of 'anything can happen' once you make the playoffs. Setting yourself up for years of success with a solid and talented core is the way of the 'new nhl'. This core in my eyes, needs to be questioned. I do question a bigger rebuild, and I do think its foolish to hope and pray that picking 15th every year will bring you to that promise land.
The Flyer way, for better or worse is to 'win at all cost'. I think Hex is starting to address that a touch, but I am wondering if its time to cash in on some the pieces you do have and get those better pieces for the future.
Or lets continue the status quo, Leafs 2.0 as much as nobody wants to admit it. - flyer_nutter
The Flyers haven't been in a win at all costs mode since Hextall took over. |
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MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Be nice from now on, NJ Joined: 03.17.2006
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Temptation, Frustration... - dragonoffrost
so bad it makes you cry? |
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J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 04.03.2014
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I disagree 120%. Not just with you but pretty much everyone...
Him being out of the lineup really has less to do with his defense than it does with what he is doing on offense.
Let me pose this question for everyone. If he better or worse defensively in his own zone this year?
I dont think that much has changed. He isnt great, but he isnt terrible. The big difference is in his offense. He just isnt scoring like he did last year. Not scoring when you are an offensive d-man is gonna get you on the bench. - jak521
Correct.
If he was scoring like last year then it hides a lot of defensive flaws. but I also think they Flyers want more from him. Not just points but a responsible defensive game too. |
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jak521
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Buckle Up. Joined: 02.19.2008
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The Flyers haven't been in a win at all costs mode since Hextall took over. - MJL
It is literally the opposite of what he has done.. |
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jak521
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Buckle Up. Joined: 02.19.2008
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Correct.
If he was scoring like last year then it hides a lot of defensive flaws. but I also think they Flyers want more from him. Not just points but a responsible defensive game too. - J35Bacher
I think that they want that if he isnt gonna produce like he did last year, however, its like asking Nick Schultz to better his offensive game..It might happen, but its not going to be dramatic.
If Ghost played like he did last year offensively (again I dont think he has been any worse in his d-game this year vs last) he wouldnt be scratched. |
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MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Be nice from now on, NJ Joined: 03.17.2006
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I think that they want that if he isnt gonna produce like he did last year, however, its like asking Nick Schultz to better his offensive game..It might happen, but its not going to be dramatic.
If Ghost played like he did last year offensively (again I dont think he has been any worse in his d-game this year vs last) he wouldnt be scratched. - jak521
i honestly don't think Ghost will ever have a season like his rookie year. The league has adjusted to him and he hasn't been able to adjust enough to overcome it. We even started to see that during the end of last season.
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flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB Joined: 10.16.2008
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The Flyers haven't been in a win at all costs mode since Hextall took over. - MJL
"Think Hex is starting to address that" |
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