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Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 7 @ 2:27 PM ET
Bill,

Would they bring up Greg Carey to maybe try and bring some offense with Konecny out?

- J35Bacher


Doubtful. He scores most of his goals on the PP.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 7 @ 2:29 PM ET
It really is time to Hinkie this mother(frank)er
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Feb 7 @ 2:30 PM ET
It really is time to Hinkie this mother(frank)er
- PhillySportsGuy


We are trusting in the process already...

It's just that the process isn't a totally deconstruct and reconstruct.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 7 @ 2:32 PM ET
We are trusting in the process already...
- dragonoffrost


Then this is the most bobo (frank)ing process I've ever seen.

This is literally anti-process
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Feb 7 @ 2:32 PM ET
Doubtful. He scores most of his goals on the PP.
- Feanor



Something they could maybe use on the 2nd pp with Konecny out.

I know the knock on him was his defensive game. Was just curious as I am not sure filling a top 6 role with Leier or Laughton would be right. I would just rather have a more offensive player over maybe someone like Weise, Read, Laughton or Leier if called up.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 7 @ 2:32 PM ET
I agree totally that Bishop would not fare much better than Mason or Neuvirth and Bishop stock has dropped considerably with his injury woes and really he has not been that great. I posted the other day that I would love to see Gost play lw with Giroux and Voracek and was happy to see that you agree it should be considered. I do not think Gost will ever master playing without the puck but his skill is undeniable. Trying him at forward or on the point on the pp or in ot with 93 and 28 and then he will become useful and believe me the team needs a spark.
- joegreif17



Bill did not agree that it should be considered. He said it would be the worst thing that could be done.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Feb 7 @ 2:33 PM ET
Then this is the most bobo (frank)ing process I've ever seen.

This is literally anti-process

- PhillySportsGuy


The process is draft and develop just like the Sixers did only differs in that the Flyers aren't trying not to win games.
missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

Feb 7 @ 2:33 PM ET
Not sure if leight... read Konecny out 4-6 weeks
- arichardson22

Confirmed:
https://www.nhl.com/flyers/?navid=nav-teamnav-phi
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Feb 7 @ 2:34 PM ET
Confirmed:
https://www.nhl.com/flyers/?navid=nav-teamnav-phi

- missingmike



so figure mid March...
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Feb 7 @ 2:36 PM ET
The process is draft and develop just like the Sixers did only differs in that the Flyers aren't trying not to win games.
- dragonoffrost

At this point would you be opposed if they did?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 7 @ 2:36 PM ET
Something they could maybe use on the 2nd pp with Konecny out.

I know the knock on him was his defensive game. Was just curious as I am not sure filling a top 6 role with Leier or Laughton would be right. I would just rather have a more offensive player over maybe someone like Weise, Read, Laughton or Leier if called up.

- J35Bacher


Carey's not going to get a top 6 role in the NHL. He's a career AHLer like Brennan. Weal, Laughton and Leier don't have his booming shot, but they are all better offensive players than Carey.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 7 @ 2:37 PM ET
Then this is the most bobo (frank)ing process I've ever seen.

This is literally anti-process

- PhillySportsGuy


Nah, it's like building a house.

It's all exciting and easy to see progress when they're framing and roofing and putting the siding on.

Then it looks like nothing is happening for a while. It's the same old same old. (Meanwhile, in reality, there is a ton of work going on internally that we can't see from the outside.)

Then one day, the front door opens and you've got yourself a full blown house warming party.

dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Feb 7 @ 2:39 PM ET
At this point would you be opposed if they did?
- mayorofangrytown


Yes because the draft class is supposed to be light this year. Flyers luck would be to end up at around #8 (say 7th worst record) going into the lottery and come out #11. And with LV added in that pick probably will be a project.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Feb 7 @ 2:40 PM ET
Nah, it's like building a house.

It's all exciting and easy to see progress when they're framing and roofing and putting the siding on.

Then it looks like nothing is happening for a while. It's the same old same old. (Meanwhile, in reality, there is a ton of work going on internally that we can't see from the outside.)

Then one day, the front door opens and you've got yourself a full blown house warming party.

- Scoob

But right now it just looks like my poopty old house and all they've installed is a new hot water heater and air conditioner and replaced a couple broken windows with other broken windows.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Feb 7 @ 2:41 PM ET
But right now it just looks like my poopty old house and all they've installed is a new hot water heater and air conditioner and replaced a couple broken windows with other broken windows.
- mayorofangrytown


Those broken windows (MDZ, Streit, Schultz) leave and shiny new ones arrive soon!
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 7 @ 2:41 PM ET
The process is draft and develop just like the Sixers did only differs in that the Flyers aren't trying not to win games.
- dragonoffrost


Nah. The Process is about maximizing your chances of winning a championship through any means necessary.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Feb 7 @ 2:42 PM ET
Nah. The Process is about maximizing your chances of winning a championship through any means necessary.
- PhillySportsGuy


And by how Chicago and Los Angeles won a couple championship each, I'd say the Flyers are on track. We are just in that painful stage right now.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 7 @ 2:42 PM ET
Nah, it's like building a house.

It's all exciting and easy to see progress when they're framing and roofing and putting the siding on.

Then it looks like nothing is happening for a while. It's the same old same old. (Meanwhile, in reality, there is a ton of work going on internally that we can't see from the outside.)

Then one day, the front door opens and you've got yourself a full blown house warming party.

- Scoob


You just blew my mind
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Feb 7 @ 2:43 PM ET


so figure mid March...

- dragonoffrost

Trade for Duclair!
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 7 @ 2:43 PM ET
And by how Chicago and Los Angeles won a couple championship each, I'd say the Flyers are on track. We are just in that painful stage right now.
- dragonoffrost


Great, so how do we acquire our Kane, Toews and/or Kopitar?
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Feb 7 @ 2:43 PM ET
Yes because the draft class is supposed to be light this year. Flyers luck would be to end up at around #8 (say 7th worst record) going into the lottery and come out #11. And with LV added in that pick probably will be a project.
- dragonoffrost

It wouldn't just end up being this season though. It would be several.

It hurts me to type that but in reality, holding on to some of these guys in their latter twenties is just depreciating assets with no substantial return. It could take a decade to retool drafting 11-20 every season.
Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.03.2007

Feb 7 @ 2:43 PM ET
At this point, I call up Weal and give him another look at the NHL level. Not sure if he will get it right away but he seems like the ideal extra forward for this time right now as well.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Feb 7 @ 2:44 PM ET
Nah, it's like building a house.

It's all exciting and easy to see progress when they're framing and roofing and putting the siding on.

Then it looks like nothing is happening for a while. It's the same old same old. (Meanwhile, in reality, there is a ton of work going on internally that we can't see from the outside.)

Then one day, the front door opens and you've got yourself a full blown house warming party.

- Scoob


So who's the dishwasher, the garbage disposal, and the hot tub?
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Feb 7 @ 2:45 PM ET
Great, so how do we acquire our Kane, Toews and/or Kopitar?
- PhillySportsGuy


Once the base prospects are here you trade some of the current core to finish the puzzle.

Oh and the Kopitar is here already... yep you know who!
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 7 @ 2:46 PM ET
It wouldn't just end up being this season though. It would be several.

It hurts me to type that but in reality, holding on to some of these guys in their latter twenties is just depreciating assets with no substantial return. It could take a decade to retool drafting 11-20 every season.

- mayorofangrytown


Oh baby, I'm hoppin on the MOAT boat
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