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Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 8 @ 4:39 PM ET
Long time reader and first time poster. Forced to post because I am fed up with the pro-management slant a lot of the posters have on here.

The organization has not won a cup in over 40 years.

- StepfordSam


The owner for those 40 years is dead, and the GM isn't similar to the previous ones and learned his trade in another organization which did win Cups. Are we supposed to be anti-current management based on the mistakes of prior management?
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 8 @ 4:39 PM ET
Funny that you don't like the pro-management slant but end on that last paragraph.
- dragonoffrost


Welcome. Its interesting that you are fed up with the pro slant of the posters here in that you echoed some of the same points that those same posters have stated. Hakstol does use analytics.
- MJL


New guy getting the welcome treatment lol
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 8 @ 4:41 PM ET
- Became very angry when someone asked how far the Flyers are away from Capitals and Penguins. Said they can compete with any team in the NHL. That was the last question directed to him. He left the room somewhat flustered. Looked like he was happy to get out of the room.


seriously he gets that flustered and angry over those questions? seems a bit over the top

- nastyflyergirl


Hey, if it makes the STH feel better to vent on the coach then I guess it's okay for the STH, but really, why would you want to piss off the coach by asking "social media" type questions.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 8 @ 4:42 PM ET
New guy getting the welcome treatment lol
- Scoob

lol fresh meat
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 8 @ 4:43 PM ET
they were all valid questions. just answer them even if its coach speak. why get annoyed? I mean I don't care either way but maybe Holmgren and Hextall should better prepare him to just roll with it
- nastyflyergirl


Were they? The interjection of "like?" seemed kind of smart-assed and entitled to me.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Feb 8 @ 4:43 PM ET
Why would you assume those descriptions are accurate?
- Feanor


what descriptions?
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Feb 8 @ 4:44 PM ET
Hey, if it makes the STH feel better to vent on the coach then I guess it's okay for the STH, but really, why would you want to piss off the coach by asking "social media" type questions.
- Scoob



It's them damn millennial's.

Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 8 @ 4:44 PM ET
lol fresh meat
- YuenglingJagr


I'm going to guess he/she isn't really a first time poster ;-)
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 8 @ 4:45 PM ET
It's them damn millennial's.
- hockeylover


She didn't look millennial - and I think she has a crush on 53 (Shane this...Shane that...Oh Shane!)
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Feb 8 @ 4:46 PM ET
what descriptions?
- nastyflyergirl


The ones that claimed Hakstol was very angry and annoyed.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Feb 8 @ 4:47 PM ET
Were they? The interjection of "like?" seemed kind of smart-assed and entitled to me.
- Scoob



I saw nothing wrong with any of the questions including the like. they are season ticket holders and had questions. I don't get why Hakstol had a hissy fit. personally I don't give a poop if the coach is a Richard or not as long as he is a good coach. just don't see a reason to be so short. what did he expect? I like the questions the fans asked over most the media toss at them
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 8 @ 4:47 PM ET
- Became very angry when someone asked how far the Flyers are away from Capitals and Penguins. Said they can compete with any team in the NHL. That was the last question directed to him. He left the room somewhat flustered. Looked like he was happy to get out of the room.


seriously he gets that flustered and angry over those questions? seems a bit over the top

- nastyflyergirl



In the limited views that we have of Hakstol behind the bench, he doesn't seem like someone who loses his cool easily. We're supposed to believe he did over a few questions from fans? I would take any report by a fan with a grain of salt. He's not liked by many right now, undeserved.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 8 @ 4:47 PM ET
It's them damn millennial's.
- hockeylover


When someone starts off their question with something along the lines of "people are saying..." I know that person is full of crap and knows nothing
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Feb 8 @ 4:49 PM ET
The ones that claimed Hakstol was very angry and annoyed.
- Feanor



you are saying he wasn't? looked it to me.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 8 @ 4:50 PM ET
I saw nothing wrong with any of the questions including the like. they are season ticket holders and had questions. I don't get why Hakstol had a hissy fit. personally I don't give a poop if the coach is a Richard or not as long as he is a good coach. just don't see a reason to be so short. what did he expect? I like the questions the fans asked over most the media toss at them
- nastyflyergirl



I'm going to go out on a pretty safe limb and state that any reports of Hakstol having a hissy fit are BS.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Feb 8 @ 4:50 PM ET
When someone starts off their question with something along the lines of "people are saying..." I know that person is full of crap and knows nothing
- Scoob



well most people are saying that about AMAC. we see it every day on here
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Feb 8 @ 4:51 PM ET
I'm going to go out on a pretty safe limb and state that any reports of Hakstol having a hissy fit are BS.
- MJL



he looked annoyed in the video but who knows.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Feb 8 @ 4:52 PM ET
It is very important we figure out if hakstol was actually mad and annoyed before the end of the day
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 8 @ 4:53 PM ET
I saw nothing wrong with any of the questions including the like. they are season ticket holders and had questions. I don't get why Hakstol had a hissy fit. personally I don't give a poop if the coach is a Richard or not as long as he is a good coach. just don't see a reason to be so short. what did he expect? I like the questions the fans asked over most the media toss at them
- nastyflyergirl


I don't know, the questions in that one clip weren't really intelligent questions. As a STH you have the opportunity to ask the leadership questions and you come in with "people on social media are saying....?" Seems like it's just intended to aggravate (I'm going to show him just how angry I am! That'll teach him." Seems like a wasted opportunity to me. :shrug:
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Feb 8 @ 4:55 PM ET
It is very important we figure out if hakstol was actually mad and annoyed before the end of the day
- YuenglingJagr



I'm curious if someone can monitor the Corsi in his blood pressure.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 8 @ 4:55 PM ET
well most people are saying that about AMAC. we see it every day on here
- nastyflyergirl


See my comment above lol j/k
Besides, only some people are saying that about AMac - they're just very vocal and repetitive about it

Seriously, though, Hakstol answered the question very calmly and in detail (and didn't claim that AMac is a top-3 NHL d-man as was declared here earlier) and then she got sassy with her "like?"
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Feb 8 @ 5:02 PM ET
I don't know, the questions in that one clip weren't really intelligent questions. As a STH you have the opportunity to ask the leadership questions and you come in with "people on social media are saying....?" Seems like it's just intended to aggravate (I'm going to show him just how angry I am! That'll teach him." Seems like a wasted opportunity to me. :shrug:
- Scoob



Ok so instead of saying people are saying on social media...maybe just question what he sees in AMAC that others don't seem to see and ask about scratching Ghost. those are questions being asked every day by flyers fans. not sure why its a waste of a question. How many people on here have questioned why accountability isn't across the board? so maybe her delivery wasn't the best but what she was asking wasn't so off the wall. I would like to see the whole Q & A. Bo has posted them in the past. maybe she will again if she attended
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 8 @ 5:07 PM ET
Ok so instead of saying people are saying on social media...maybe just question what he sees in AMAC that others don't seem to see and ask about scratching Ghost. those are questions being asked every day by flyers fans. not sure why its a waste of a question. How many people on here have questioned why accountability isn't across the board? so maybe her delivery wasn't the best but what she was asking wasn't so off the wall. I would like to see the whole Q & A. Bo has posted them in the past. maybe she will again if she attended
- nastyflyergirl



Yes, there is a huge element of how a question is asked. She asked like a middle-schooler who just got punished when her sister didn't. Imho, she's lucky she got the well-thought and articulate answer that Hakstol gave.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Feb 8 @ 5:08 PM ET
Long time reader and first time poster. Forced to post because I am fed up with the pro-management slant a lot of the posters have on here.

The organization has not won a cup in over 40 years. It is a results-oriented business like some here are so fond of saying, so it is fair game to criticize the way they do things.

That being said, I like Hextall's approach and he is doing the right thing by being patient. Build through the draft. Right now the biggest concern is the 1-C. If Giroux does not elevate his play, this must be addressed by Hextall at some point. That does not mean getting rid of Giroux. It means replacing his talent level from 2-3 years ago so this team can truly contend in a few years time. I don't see a way a player like this is acquired outside of getting lucky in the draft.

Also, it is not all on the coach, but there is a legitimate reason to worry. Hakstol has made some poor personnel decisions. I really don't like how he is handling Ghost in particular. It appears he is more of an old school guy rather than what I hoped we were getting: new blood that used analytics (key word: appropriately) as well as the eye test.

This group is on their 3rd coach and still show the same inconsistent level of play, game to game, period to period, that they have for years now. I will always criticize management more than the players but as a whole, this core is more responsible for their current level of play than any coach/GM.

- StepfordSam

nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Feb 8 @ 5:23 PM ET
Yes, there is a huge element of how a question is asked. She asked like a middle-schooler who just got punished when her sister didn't. Imho, she's lucky she got the well-thought and articulate answer that Hakstol gave.
- Scoob



she isnt a reporter, she's an average fan who is a season ticket holder who has concerns. questions like that are to be expected. i see nothing wrong with it
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