that i follow.

i was just curious what people were considering to be the "Hawks" method.
- stayinthefnnet

Intangibles.

that i follow.

i was just curious what people were considering to be the "Hawks" method.
- stayinthefnnet

In my opinion it has been based on drafting.

In my opinion it has been based on drafting.
- MJL

its obvious on my part, but i dont think theres only one way to skin the cat. actually, i dont think you can be successful unless you successfully draw on multiple avenues of acquiring talent simultaneously, because the timeline of your players will never completely gel otherwise.

Intangibles.
- Mononoke

contribute your opinions damn it i finally have time to read.

its obvious on my part, but i dont think theres only one way to skin the cat. actually, i dont think you can be successful unless you successfully draw on multiple avenues of acquiring talent simultaneously, because the timeline of your players will never completely gel otherwise.
- stayinthefnnet

I agree with that somewhat. You have to have a base of how you build your team. If you don't draft and develop well then what are you going to do in a cap environment? Buy your way to a top team? Flyers tired that a lot. They built some good teams, but that's getting harder and harder, as less top players, especially in certain positions are available. You build your team through the draft, and supplement with trades and free agency. Why spend big money for an older player if the rest of your team isn't at that point?

its obvious on my part, but i dont think theres only one way to skin the cat. actually, i dont think you can be successful unless you successfully draw on multiple avenues of acquiring talent simultaneously, because the timeline of your players will never completely gel otherwise.
- stayinthefnnet

IMO, drafting is the key to everything. It's the easiest way to acquire core players through your own development. Also, by having good prospects you can go after a guy like Phil Kessel to supplement your core. The amateur scouting department for me is the key to success above everything else.

I agree with that somewhat. You have to have a base of how you build your team. If you don't draft and develop well then what are you going to do in a cap environment? Buy your way to a top team? Flyers tired that a lot. They built some good teams, but that's getting harder and harder, as less top players, especially in certain positions are available. You build your team through the draft, and supplement with trades and free agency. Why spend big money for an older player if the rest of your team isn't at that point?
- MJL

agreed. you cant sign a crosby or malkin. but you need to be able to nail the kunitz type guys after you do.

IMO, drafting is the key to everything. It's the easiest way to acquire core players through your own development. Also, by having good prospects you can go after a guy like Phil Kessel to supplement your core. The amateur scouting department for me is the key to success above everything else.
- ravishingone

by and large the flyers drafting has seemed to be pretty solid though. whatever's going on with giroux. if thats a cliff coming, it came fast enough to where i wouldnt exactly blame management for not being able to see that.

Luckily for Hakstol, Konecny is hurt for a month. Now he doesn't have the option of playing him!

Everything is literally terrible.

Lol at this STH thing from what I've read on the Tweeter

I think Hextall and his advisors should start thinking about it now. You never know, but an offer could be made for a top player on the Flyers. If that happens, he'll have a tough decision to make.

I also think even if this team is in or close to a playoff spot, he should still consider trading a few pieces. This team has enough veteran defensive depth to the point where trading someone like Streit won't be a huge blow to the team.
- MJL

I want all Ufa skaters and perhaps 1 goaltender moved regardless of their playoff position. I think the questions you think Hextall needs to ask himself are already answered. There should be no untouchables on this team if Hextall sees potential for improvement.

The Flyers would not be in this mess if they would have just signed Ladd.

Luckily for Hakstol, Konecny is hurt for a month. Now he doesn't have the option of playing him!

Everything is literally terrible.
- Giroux_Is_God

Not everything.

https://www.google.com/se...autiful+ecuador+landscape

Who says any of those players are on the team in 3-5 years? Real question. Do you think the Islanders should blow it up? Trade Tavares and start over?
- mickel25

all of a sudden the Isles look like they have a better chance to make the playoffs than the Flyers do

Somewhere YuenglingJagr is smiling

Not everything.

https://www.google.com/se...autiful+ecuador+landscape
- Mononoke

Now you're talking

all of a sudden the Isles look like they have a better chance to make the playoffs than the Flyers do
- nastyflyergirl

Oh look, and it directly coincides with their star player getting his head out of his ass

http://www.sbncollegehock...e-brickley-pionk-kelleher

all of a sudden the Isles look like they have a better chance to make the playoffs than the Flyers do
- nastyflyergirl

If they beat us on Thursday they'll be one pt back with three games in hand.

Lol at this STH thing from what I've read on the Tweeter
- Mononoke

Go on...

that i follow.

i was just curious what people were considering to be the "Hawks" method.
- stayinthefnnet

I think it was clear their specific method centered around finding a group of 5-6 guys that all hit their prime together and could afford the supplemental pieces. Signing a core piece on a cap circumventing contract (like what the Devils and wild tried) is non existent now. Doesn't matter if it was only two contracts they got signed under those terms...it allowed them to maneuver money for talent elsewhere.

I don't think it can really be done anymore. Kings tried it with Lucic and Gaborik. Others have tried it to a degree. they weren't able to capitalize on the timing for the new CBA.

The next one will probably have some change that affects balance of power too. the way it looks. The Lightning appear ahead of the curve there (maybe ridiculously cheap RFA deals are the new 12 year contract)

Somewhere YuenglingJagr is smiling
- Mononoke

I predicted it with the use of some handpicked advanced stats

I think it was clear their specific method centered around finding a group of 5-6 guys that all hit their prime together and could afford the supplemental pieces. Signing a core piece on a cap circumventing contract (like what the Devils and wild tried) is non existent now. Doesn't matter if it was only two contracts they got signed under those terms...it allowed them to maneuver money for talent elsewhere.

I don't think it can really be done anymore. Kings tried it with Lucic and Gaborik. Others have tried it to a degree. they weren't able to capitalize on the timing for the new CBA.

The next one will probably have some change that affects balance of power too. the way it looks. The Lightning appear ahead of the curve there (maybe ridiculously cheap RFA deals are the new 12 year contract)
- YuenglingJagr

yep and (frank) em for it. i love the cap. and oh yeah of course it was big. if youre saving around 3 million each on hossa and keith each, thats an extra six million dollar stud that they get to keep for the run.

Go on...
- Baxter27

Ok

can someone provide me what their working definition on Blackhawks model even really is?

i'm not going to critique them for tanking/being lucky with kane and toews. and then realizing what their main group of 5 or 6 guys are and then having the guts to walk away from their own as overpriced FAs. but am i missing something that is specific to them?

i wont say bowman is bad at what he's doing, because he has had some good decisions as well as strokes of luck. but hes not exactly reinventing the wheel
- stayinthefnnet

suck for a long time, but suck a little less when the Flyers suck the most, and draft first overall. then whatever