I read marchenko is a 3rd pairing D right now but could take on role of second pairing eventually.

I guess we shall see.
- Lucas.Neilson

I see him as a 6th d. Which is fine because I see Marincin as a 7th or 8th.

I think you end up with a Hunwick - Marchenko 3rd pair with Marincin and Polak watching and Polak possibly traded at the deadline again.
- Feds91Stammer

Sounds about right

I think you end up with a Hunwick - Marchenko 3rd pair with Marincin and Polak watching and Polak possibly traded at the deadline again.
- Feds91Stammer

To me, Hunwick and Marincin are the two absolutely unplayable guys. Although he's also not good, I'd rather keep Polak in the lineup over Hunwick.

I read marchenko is a 3rd pairing D right now but could take on role of second pairing eventually.

I guess we shall see.
- Lucas.Neilson

Maybe he becomes the best defenseman ever! ....

Now that's something that makes me pause. But as a guy who follows the same teams you do, you have to admit that the Wings keeping Smith over him is a bit of a surprise no?
- mykokes

Well they are keeping Sproul and Jensen over Marchenko not Smith. Smith should be traded in the next few weeks.

Marchenko is relatively good at limiting scoring chances but he will certainly have games that make you wonder how the (frank) he got to the NHL.
- Feds91Stammer

well here's the thing with Marincin.

he makes us wonder that 9 out of 10 games.... he's relative big but totally physically weak... can't count the number of times that he doesn't tie the man in front of the net up and that guy scores or gets a chance.

and this after the end of last season when he actually looked pretty decent playing with Rielly (for the most part).... tells you have good Rielly must have been to cover up for him.

at this point Babcock should just platoon Hunwick and Marincin.... play well stay in... suck and you sit.... which means that they will alternate game in game out

Maybe we'll see Gardiner/Rielly Z/March frick/frat

To me, Hunwick and Marincin are the two absolutely unplayable guys. Although he's also not good, I'd rather keep Polak in the lineup over Hunwick.
- PlatosRepucklic

I have to disagree. Hunwick is definitely playable and a huge upgrade over Marincin in my opinion. Only thing I disagree with Babs on so far this season is Marincin. I wouldn't play him EVER. Hope he doesn't play again....

Play Hunwick and give the new waiver pick up a chance. Marincin costs us games. We started picking it up after he got injured....

To me, Hunwick and Marincin are the two absolutely unplayable guys. Although he's also not good, I'd rather keep Polak in the lineup over Hunwick.
- PlatosRepucklic

Babs loves the lefty right balance and for poop defenseman it is very important. Gardiner, Reilly, and Hunwick for LD and Zaitsev, Carrick, and Marchenko for RD imo

well here's the thing with Marincin.

he makes us wonder that 9 out of 10 games.... he's relative big but totally physically weak... can't count the number of times that he doesn't tie the man in front of the net up and that guy scores or gets a chance.

and this after the end of last season when he actually looked pretty decent playing with Rielly (for the most part).... tells you have good Rielly must have been to cover up for him.

at this point Babcock should just platoon Hunwick and Marincin.... play well stay in... suck and you sit.... which means that they will alternate game in game out
- BorjeFan4Ever

So is Marchenko.

And I agree

Babs loves the lefty right balance and for poop defenseman it is very important. Gardiner, Reilly, and Hunwick for LD and Zaitsev, Carrick, and Marchenko for RD imo
- Feds91Stammer

AGREED!

I have to disagree. Hunwick is definitely playable and a huge upgrade over Marincin in my opinion. Only thing I disagree with Babs on so far this season is Marincin. I wouldn't play him EVER. Hope he doesn't play again....

Play Hunwick and give the new waiver pick up a chance. Marincin costs us games. We started picking it up after he got injured....
- Yampz

Hunwick fails the eye test almost as badly as Marincin does AND has the 2nd worst CF% on the blueline. I know Polak is the one who is slightly below him but at least he brings something else to the table (physicality, usable on the PK).

If Hunwick stays in the lineup it's beacuse of the aforementioned lefty-righty thing imo

I think you end up with a Hunwick - Marchenko 3rd pair with Marincin and Polak watching and Polak possibly traded at the deadline again.
- Feds91Stammer

I think you're probably right. Polak has been playing a bit better as of late so he might not hit the press box just yet.

(And by better, I mean hasn't taken a boarding penalty every game as he was so prone to doing in the first part of the season )

FFS you guys.

A few games ago:

90% of posters on here:
"Marincin is actually playing quite well, looking good after his return from injury - great to have a good 4/5 d-man in him - let's expose Carrick instead of him during expansion draft".

After last 3 games:

90% of posters on here:
"Marincin is the worst d-man ever, should never be in NHL, disgrace for the beautiful game of hockey".


I don't mind people being very outspoken about a specific opinion they have - even if it's completely different than mine.
What I do find sad is people changing their opinions every 4 days.

(above goes as well for some of you re the complete Leafs team: from "yes!! playoffs!!' to ''here we go again... trailer from cliff team - typical leafy" ....)

FFS you guys.

A few games ago:

90% of posters on here:
"Marincin is actually playing quite well, looking good after his return from injury - great to have a good 4/5 d-man in him - let's expose Carrick instead of him during expansion draft".

After last 3 games:

90% of posters on here:
"Marincin is the worst d-man ever, should never be in NHL, disgrace for the beautiful game of hockey".


I don't mind people being very outspoken about a specific opinion they have - even if it's completely different than mine.
What I do find sad is people changing their opinions every 4 days.

(above goes as well for some of you re the complete Leafs team: from "yes!! playoffs!!' to ''here we go again... trailer from cliff team - typical leafy" ....)
- MaximusAurelius

If you're going to make a claim like this at least use names. Because so far there are only a few people even talking about the subject (one being myself, who has never changed their opinion on Marincin).

So it just seems like baseless accusations at this point.

FFS you guys.

A few games ago:

90% of posters on here:
"Marincin is actually playing quite well, looking good after his return from injury - great to have a good 4/5 d-man in him - let's expose Carrick instead of him during expansion draft".

After last 3 games:

90% of posters on here:
"Marincin is the worst d-man ever, should never be in NHL, disgrace for the beautiful game of hockey".


I don't mind people being very outspoken about a specific opinion they have - even if it's completely different than mine.
What I do find sad is people changing their opinions every 4 days.

(above goes as well for some of you re the complete Leafs team: from "yes!! playoffs!!' to ''here we go again... trailer from cliff team - typical leafy" ....)
- MaximusAurelius

So, you have also know who those fickle fans are.

FFS you guys.

A few games ago:

90% of posters on here:
"Marincin is actually playing quite well, looking good after his return from injury - great to have a good 4/5 d-man in him - let's expose Carrick instead of him during expansion draft".

After last 3 games:

90% of posters on here:
"Marincin is the worst d-man ever, should never be in NHL, disgrace for the beautiful game of hockey".


I don't mind people being very outspoken about a specific opinion they have - even if it's completely different than mine.
What I do find sad is people changing their opinions every 4 days.

(above goes as well for some of you re the complete Leafs team: from "yes!! playoffs!!' to ''here we go again... trailer from cliff team - typical leafy" ....)
- MaximusAurelius

The frustration with Marincin is that once about every 10 games he looks good. Moves the puck well, uses his size to keep guys to the outside, and doesn't make any brutal errors. Then he has several games where he is a giveaway machine, looks soft and clueless.

He actually reminds me of Gardiner. Looks great a few games here and there, then other games looks like a lost little figure skater...

Babs loves the lefty right balance and for poop defenseman it is very important. Gardiner, Reilly, and Hunwick for LD and Zaitsev, Carrick, and Marchenko for RD imo
- Feds91Stammer

FFS you guys.

A few games ago:

90% of posters on here:
"Marincin is actually playing quite well, looking good after his return from injury - great to have a good 4/5 d-man in him - let's expose Carrick instead of him during expansion draft".

After last 3 games:

90% of posters on here:
"Marincin is the worst d-man ever, should never be in NHL, disgrace for the beautiful game of hockey".


I don't mind people being very outspoken about a specific opinion they have - even if it's completely different than mine.
What I do find sad is people changing their opinions every 4 days.

(above goes as well for some of you re the complete Leafs team: from "yes!! playoffs!!' to ''here we go again... trailer from cliff team - typical leafy" ....)
- MaximusAurelius

This


(frank)ing


Guy

FFS you guys.

A few games ago:

90% of posters on here:
"Marincin is actually playing quite well, looking good after his return from injury - great to have a good 4/5 d-man in him - let's expose Carrick instead of him during expansion draft".

After last 3 games:

90% of posters on here:
"Marincin is the worst d-man ever, should never be in NHL, disgrace for the beautiful game of hockey".


I don't mind people being very outspoken about a specific opinion they have - even if it's completely different than mine.
What I do find sad is people changing their opinions every 4 days.

(above goes as well for some of you re the complete Leafs team: from "yes!! playoffs!!' to ''here we go again... trailer from cliff team - typical leafy" ....)
- MaximusAurelius

Feel free to look up my post history regarding Marincin dating back to October 2016...

I see him as a 6th d. Which is fine because I see Marincin as a 7th or 8th.
- mykokes

8th? You are being generous.

- Lucas.Neilson

He will get what he wants also. Love this management team..

The Leafs need a couple grizzled vet d-men on the back end who can clear the night and deal with poop teams like the Bruins. Think Todd Gill and Jamie McCowen... (they might be an upgrade over Marincin!)

I was sitting here this morning looking up hockey poop just like usual and i remembered we had aquired Teemu Hartikaenen's nhl rights a few years back for mark fraser. He was always looked at as a Komorov type player, fiesty, has better size then him and plays each forward position. I remember hearing his skating was brutal but has improved a lot over the years. Just checked his stats and they're pretty damn impressive!

Has any one been watching the KHL games or followed him at all?

I wonder if they could bring him over now that hes in his prime with years playing in the K, something like the Komo situation. Makes me wonder boys!!

FFS you guys.

A few games ago:

90% of posters on here:
"Marincin is actually playing quite well, looking good after his return from injury - great to have a good 4/5 d-man in him - let's expose Carrick instead of him during expansion draft".

After last 3 games:

90% of posters on here:
"Marincin is the worst d-man ever, should never be in NHL, disgrace for the beautiful game of hockey".


I don't mind people being very outspoken about a specific opinion they have - even if it's completely different than mine.
What I do find sad is people changing their opinions every 4 days.

(above goes as well for some of you re the complete Leafs team: from "yes!! playoffs!!' to ''here we go again... trailer from cliff team - typical leafy" ....)
- MaximusAurelius

I know that I for one never said to protect Marincin ahead of Carrick... anyone who has should be ashamed of themselves. Marincin isn't one of the worst d-men ever... but his performance in the past few games has been horrid. The three penalties he took (one of which really shouldn't been called imo) are indicative of his poor positioning and slowness to respond.

I can only assume at this point he's being kept around as expansion fodder - which brings me to my main point.

Since Carrick isn't lighting the house on fire - although he's been pretty decent in the last little while (again imo)... what should be considered is a trade that would see the Leafs bringing in a D-man in exchange for Carrick + + which would give the Leafs three good D resources that they can protect.

I believe that they don't need to protect Zaitsev, and therefore would protect Gardiner and Rielly. Upgrade Carrick if you can - if there's a deal to be made. I'm not suggesting a Jvr or Nylander deal for Trouba either... rather more of a second tier guy like Scandella (MIN) or Forsling, TvR or Kempny (CHI) or Dillion or Braun(SJ) or something like Bieksa/Stoner + Manson/Theodore combo .... all these guys are going to be available or likely some combination of them during the expansion LasVegas draft.