So NHL rank: takeaways

Connor - T2
Drycycle - T5
Nuge - T58
- nanook82

Ratio.

Well collectively it's Nuge/Ebs/Pou/Luc (only effective on PP)
- nanook82

Looch is 2nd in hits, 4th in points. Honestly, he's trending in about the same direction he has his whole career. I think the main problem is that before the season people were predicting him to be 70+ playing with Jesus and didn't consider that he might just be what he usually is.

Ratio.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Who cares about the ratio??

The dude just isn't involved

Looch is 2nd in hits, 4th in points. Honestly, he's trending in about the same direction he has his whole career. I think the main problem is that before the season people were predicting him to be 70+ playing with Jesus and didn't consider that he might just be what he usually is.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

That's why I said collectively. Those 4 as a group are contributing to whats hurting this club. The lack of secondary scoring

Luc is clearly missing the benefit of playing with McDavid. 4 points in the last month

Pou - 3 points since Dec 9
Ebs - 7 points since Jan 3 (4 came in 1 game)
Nuge - 7 points since Jan 3 (but at least he has a good Gva/Tka ratio)

edit: 4 highest paid forwards as well

That's why I said collectively. Those 4 as a group are contributing to whats hurting this club. The lack of secondary scoring

Luc is clearly missing the benefit of playing with McDavid. 4 points in the last month

Pou - 3 points since Dec 9
Ebs - 7 points since Jan 3 (4 came in 1 game)
Nuge - 7 points since Jan 3 (but at least he has a good Gva/Tka ratio)

edit: 4 highest paid forwards as well
- nanook82

I despise Pouliot taking up a roster spot. If it were up to me I'd turf him and bring Poolparty back, or even freakin Lander since he ca, n at least win faceoffs.
Ebs, yeah it's hard to defend him. Unless he's producing offence his spot and salary are hard to justify.
Nuge I will defend because of other metrics. doesn't look great salary wise admittedly.
4 highest paid for now. Jesus and Dry will both get paid very soon.

Who cares about the ratio??

The dude just isn't involved
- nanook82

Lots of people. If you're taking the puck away more than you're giving it away, you're a straight up asset. Nuge is involved in the play a lot. Just isn't producing as much as we'd like.

Personally, I think Nuge might do better with guys like Looch, Kass or Testes on a line. Some grinders that will make the simple play instead of looking for one-shot two inch openings. He creates but has no finishers.

I'd like to see the following tried at some point. Probably a pipe dream but oh well.

Maroon - McDavid - Nuge
Lucic - Draisaitl - Eberle
Pouliot - Caggiula - Slepyshev
Khaira - Letestu - Kassian
- Wildschwein

I think Slepyshev is really endearing himself to McLellan and showing that he has the tools to be effective in his system. He's got size, speed and a good shot while always looking like he's engaged. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him work his way into the top-6 by the end of the year (barring a RW acquisition). Same would apply to Pitlick if not for his injury.

Lots of people. If you're taking the puck away more than you're giving it away, you're a straight up asset. Nuge is involved in the play a lot. Just isn't producing as much as we'd like.

Personally, I think Nuge might do better with guys like Looch, Kass or Testes on a line. Some grinders that will make the simple play instead of looking for one-shot two inch openings. He creates but has no finishers.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Do the stat guys break it down to offensive zone giveaways/takeaways?

I think Slepyshev is really endearing himself to McLellan and showing that he has the tools to be effective in his system. He's got size, speed and a good shot while always looking like he's engaged. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him work his way into the top-6 by the end of the year (barring a RW acquisition). Same would apply to Pitlick if not for his injury.
- MaximumBone

Ugh. The Pits injury broke my heart. Guy was finally having a good year and tears an ACL. Guys had nothing but bad luck since he was drafted.

Do the stat guys break it down to offensive zone giveaways/takeaways?
- nanook82

Yes. I'm far too lazy to look it up though. I just stick to regular stats. I'll leave CORSI breakdowns to Hendo and other homos.

I think Slepyshev is really endearing himself to McLellan and showing that he has the tools to be effective in his system. He's got size, speed and a good shot while always looking like he's engaged. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him work his way into the top-6 by the end of the year (barring a RW acquisition). Same would apply to Pitlick if not for his injury.
- MaximumBone

What are the chances we see Poolparty again this year?

Lots of people. If you're taking the puck away more than you're giving it away, you're a straight up asset. Nuge is involved in the play a lot. Just isn't producing as much as we'd like.

Personally, I think Nuge might do better with guys like Looch, Kass or Testes on a line. Some grinders that will make the simple play instead of looking for one-shot two inch openings. He creates but has no finishers.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

A guy like Gallagher on Nuge's wing would likely help his play. In the event they were able to find that sort of player, I'd honestly look at putting Khaira with them. Khaira's great on the forecheck and has the frame to be great at board battles and the Gallagher-type is a goddam warrior with enough skill to finish plays.

While I might prefer adding a veteran 3C to push Nuge to the wing, I could stomach a third line with that type of work ethic.

What are the chances we see Poolparty again this year?
- TheTaoOfSemenko

I'd say it hinges on what happens at the deadline. If they pick up a Vrbata or Vanek, then I have a hard time seeing him break through. However, if management decides that Eberle doesn't fit on a McLellan team (entirely possible) and he gets moved in a deal for a guy with less skill but a more diverse array of tools, then I could see him climbing back in. By every indication he seems to be making strides in Bako.

Yes. I'm far too lazy to look it up though. I just stick to regular stats. I'll leave CORSI breakdowns to Hendo and other homos.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Same here

Would you rather have Nuge or Duchene?

A guy like Gallagher on Nuge's wing would likely help his play. In the event they were able to find that sort of player, I'd honestly look at putting Khaira with them. Khaira's great on the forecheck and has the frame to be great at board battles and the Gallagher-type is a goddam warrior with enough skill to finish plays.

While I might prefer adding a veteran 3C to push Nuge to the wing, I could stomach a third line with that type of work ethic.
- MaximumBone

I was liking Khairas game before he went down, but you're right. The Nugebs combo isn't tenacious enough to dig pucks out and lacks the size, speed or skill of the Dry Jesus Roon top line. I think Kassian deserves another look higher up in the line.

Ugh. The Pits injury broke my heart. Guy was finally having a good year and tears an ACL. Guys had nothing but bad luck since he was drafted.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

It really did. With his history, it shouldn't have been a surprise. Despite all I said against resigning him last year, I think he showed enough for me to justify resigning him again.

Same here

Would you rather have Nuge or Duchene?
- nanook82

Duchene by a mile in every capacity. Faster, stronger, better dangles, better faceoffs and better shot. If they were the same age, I'd honestly have a hard time deciding between him and Draisaitl.

Same here

Would you rather have Nuge or Duchene?
- nanook82

Honestly, I'm not sure. Duchene had a great start to his career but the last couple seasons numbers wise him and Nuge are a wash, and he doesn't have the same 2-way acumen. It's a sexy name but I think teams would pay higher for him banking on him returning to his production of a couple years ago. He's risky imo, not in that he won't produce but he may not produce how people are imagining. I'd rather have him on a line with Nuge then choose between them.

I was liking Khairas game before he went down, but you're right. The Nugebs combo isn't tenacious enough to dig pucks out and lacks the size, speed or skill of the Dry Jesus Roon top line. I think Kassian deserves another look higher up in the line.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

He's been an excellent 4th liner and an effective 3rd liner since he added PKing ability to his resume. I'd rather he stay there. That being said, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing him higher up- even up with McDavid.

He's been an excellent 4th liner and an effective 3rd liner since he added PKing ability to his resume. I'd rather he stay there. That being said, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing him higher up- even up with McDavid.
- MaximumBone

Like I said, I think if you put some snarl on Nuges line their fortunes would change. Kass can put the puck away and is a little bit psycho. Give Ebs some 3rd line time. I know they'd love for him to start scoring but we're 50+ games in and he hasn't hit his stride yet. Not sure whats off but sticking with the same combo isn't really working.

Honestly, I'm not sure. Duchene had a great start to his career but the last couple seasons numbers wise him and Nuge are a wash, and he doesn't have the same 2-way acumen. It's a sexy name but I think teams would pay higher for him banking on him returning to his production of a couple years ago. He's risky imo, not in that he won't produce but he may not produce how people are imagining. I'd rather have him on a line with Nuge then choose between them.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

I think this just makes me realize our different views in players. Which isn't a bad thing.

I'm taking Duchene over Nuge in a heartbeat.

Like I said, I think if you put some snarl on Nuges line their fortunes would change. Kass can put the puck away and is a little bit psycho. Give Ebs some 3rd line time. I know they'd love for him to start scoring but we're 50+ games in and he hasn't hit his stride yet. Not sure whats off but sticking with the same combo isn't really working.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

My concern with putting Kassian with Nuge is that Nuge's lines haven't been effective at the cycle game that Kass has excelled at. Whether that's Nuge's fault or the fault of his wingers remains to be seen, but I have noticed that- despite his shot volume increase- Nuge isn't going to the dirty areas very often anymore.

More than half the teams in this league are dealing with a lack of scoring. Every fan base wants their team to score more. Where are you getting it? Who are you or anyone else proposing to bring in to increase the scoring? What are you willing to give up? What if who they bring in doesn't work (see Andrew Ladd)? You stated you want a puck moving d man. That's fine, but sometimes the best fix comes from within. A change in line combos, power play lines or system tweak does it. Sometimes it's a call up.
Believe me, as an isles fan, I feel your pain. Just be careful what you wish for. You might just get it.
- Isleshockeyman

Jordan Eberle and Brandon Davidson for Tyson Barrie

3rd round pick and Ethan Bear for Tomas Vanek

Drake Caggulla and 5th round pick for Martin Hanzal

Scraps for any decent back up goalie.

Maroon McDavid Draisaitl
Lucic RNH Vanek
Pouliot Hanzal slepyschev
Hendricks Khaira Kassian

Larsson Klefbom
Barrie Sekeras
Russel Nurse

I think this just makes me realize our different views in players. Which isn't a bad thing.

I'm taking Duchene over Nuge in a heartbeat.
- nanook82

I mean I get that point of view. Douche is a little bigger, a little faster, better at FOs and has shown in the past that he has an extra offensive gear. It's pretty likely that his play has dropped due to being on a dogpoop team. Ditto Mackinnon and Landeskog. I just hesitate because it's also quite possible that his play the last couple of seasons isn't an outlier but his regular level.

In any case, Colorado would likely want someone like Nurse in the package, and our future D depth isn't remotely good enough to justify trading him away.

My concern with putting Kassian with Nuge is that Nuge's lines haven't been effective at the cycle game that Kass has excelled at. Whether that's Nuge's fault or the fault of his wingers remains to be seen, but I have noticed that- despite his shot volume increase- Nuge isn't going to the dirty areas very often anymore.
- MaximumBone

It's definitely the fault of his wingers. Ebs just isn't a retrieval guy. Never has been, and it shouldn't be held against him. Pou is a roster spot occupying assface and I wouldn't be sad if he were assigned to the ECHL.