Really?

Burrows top line guy for years . Tanev top 4 guy for years . Hansen top 6 guy for years .

You're right they are not core players that played for all three coaches.

Silly me
- VANTEL

I said Burr switched with Hansen as top 6 over years. So not same as when those coaches where here. Tanev became relevant under Torts. Core under WD. But whatever you think of that how are they a problem to team success or development? Your original point was team is the problem as in players. Not recognizing the changes while saying that is kind of weird coming from you.

I'm not sure that's a good idea, I'm a big man and I don't think I could refrain from striking a few participation award winners here
- LeftCoaster

So have we finished correctly categorizing our small HB community? We have:

Circle Jerkers
Whiners
Lemmings
Participation award winners
And Booner.

Have I missed anyone?

Someone call Prock
- LeftCoaster

But, they traded one of them away and it's come to light that one is going to be a project. The book is out on the other two, but looking pretty nice with some proper development.
- LeftCoaster

Wait, we are not building through the draft because there were better players available in hind sight?

Part of building through the draft is also using those assets you picked in trades to balance out your team.

Your version of building through the draft is clearly a tear down so I don't know why you use a broader term for it like building through the draft. A tank, low life race for last. Most of the teams that go that route often were bottom feeders for a decade at least... not likely to happen here.

Like I said before, it's on the backs of our young players that we are drifting away from that top 5 pick. What are we to do? Trade them for picks so we can tank? You are against trading young players.

I want our young players to succeed. I want them to win. The downside is the draft, but you can't have it both ways.

Patience.

I said Burr switched with Hansen as top 6 over years. So not same as when those coaches where here. Tanev became relevant under Torts. Core under WD. But whatever you think of that how are they a problem to team success or development? Your original point was team is the problem as in players. Not recognizing the changes while saying that is kind of weird coming from you.
- Nuck4U

Two words



Country Club

Oh stick it in your ear, winning comes from losing in pro sports, build through the draft and they'll be that much better off in the long run.

You need to be a forward thinker and stop living in the moment to understand that though. Short term pain for long term gain.
- LeftCoaster

I told you this last night. We are building through the draft. The kids are playing well and we will ultimately miss the playoffs. But I think for the most part they are being developed properly and are insulated by strong leaders. You just need patience. In two years we should be loaded with young talent

Do you realize this is a business? The owners need to make $ and I don't pay to see the team get blown out. How can't you understand this?
- CanuckDon

This is the NHL, not the NFL. Nobody's in this to make a killing. For most owners a pro sports team is just one part of a huge portfolio. Ego more than profit IMO.

Fixed that for ya
- LeftCoaster

Ya, that easy. NMC means nothing to the critics.

So have we finished correctly categorizing our small HB community? We have:

Circle Jerkers
Whiners
Lemmings
Participation award winners
And Booner.

Have I missed anyone?
- bloatedmosquito

Lemmings

So have we finished correctly categorizing our small HB community? We have:

Circle Jerkers
Whiners
Lemmings
Participation award winners
And Booner.

Have I missed anyone?
- bloatedmosquito

that about covers it....Booner is a stand alone though, he scares everyone in here with his crazy ass stories!!

Wait, we are not building through the draft because there were better players available in hind sight?

Part of building through the draft is also using those assets you picked in trades to balance out your team.

Your version of building through the draft is clearly a tear down so I don't know why you use a broader term for it like building through the draft. A tank, low life race for last. Most of the teams that go that route often were bottom feeders for a decade at least... not likely to happen here.

Like I said before, it's on the backs of our young players that we are drifting away from that top 5 pick. What are we to do? Trade them for picks so we can tank? You are against trading young players.

I want our young players to succeed. I want them to win. The downside is the draft, but you can't have it both ways.

Patience.
- boonerbuck

I think thats the signs of any good coach. Trotz in Nashville was the most defensive coach, working with small budget and lack of skilled players. Then he moved to Washington, they are still clicking above Boudreau's rate during his last couple seasons
- WhiteLie

No doubt I think AV is a great coach. It still infuriated me to see him start trapping instead of going for the kill. It worked more often than not but I do think it also at times led to some historic come backs against us.

You're being hard on Hitch. He's a Team Canada staple. He's coached in every situation possible. Won at multiple levels, etc., etc. You know his credentials. He's going to be a HHoF coach.

He's fat, which make him uncomfortable, which makes him cranky. He's misunderstood by some players.
- bloatedmosquito

I'm with belch on this one. I dont care how hockey-smart he is, if he hasnt figured out how to keep a room motivated and buy-in then its all for nothing. His Team Canada roles recently were away from the players, and I think Babs knew they needed to keep him there

And I know your old school side will hate to hear this, but with the millennial-pampered type prospects rolling through these days, hitting them with a hardass will not go well. No matter how badly you beat them up and scream at them, it wont make them better, they all will want to leave or just wait until he is fired. I think Tortz learned that, particularly after Johansen left

Rasanen would look good with OJ


You have heard of the Twin Towers we could have the Finn Towers

This is the NHL, not the NFL. Nobody's in this to make a killing. For most owners a pro sports team is just one part of a huge portfolio. Ego more than profit IMO.
- bloatedmosquito

Canucks value is 800 Mil

that about covers it....Booner is a stand alone though, he scares everyone in here with his crazy ass stories!!
- LeftCoaster

Booners probably an 18 year old, 94 lbs, asian kid living in shaughnessy just (frank)ing with us.

Two words



Country Club
- VANTEL

that about covers it....Booner is a stand alone though, he scares everyone in here with his crazy ass stories!!
- LeftCoaster

I tell them to my grandkids before bed

But, they traded one of them away and it's come to light that one is going to be a project. The book is out on the other two, but looking pretty nice with some proper development.
- LeftCoaster

I don't get this position. You want high draft picks. But then rag on the ones made after the fact. You keep advocating for more. What's the point if you will make the same assesment.

JV needed some grounding. Guess that's unheard of for young kid. He'll be back next season. Unless there is an injury need. He's now playing well back to fundamentals. Next build up will be offense. Sometimes that's what's needed when there is a set back for a young kid full of expectation. You got to strip him down and rebuild. Seems that is occurring for the better.

Saying book is out because they don't play in the NHL is a nice cop out. You don't say that about other top team prospects. Just praise them. It's a little one sided. Then again advocating for more high picks to take over coals makes no sense.

Trading away one questionable NHL talent for a much higher and only four years older draft pick in the all important D position is a win.

Wait, we are not building through the draft because there were better players available in hind sight?

Part of building through the draft is also using those assets you picked in trades to balance out your team.

Your version of building through the draft is clearly a tear down so I don't know why you use a broader term for it like building through the draft. A tank, low life race for last. Most of the teams that go that route often were bottom feeders for a decade at least... not likely to happen here.

Like I said before, it's on the backs of our young players that we are drifting away from that top 5 pick. What are we to do? Trade them for picks so we can tank? You are against trading young players.

I want our young players to succeed. I want them to win. The downside is the draft, but you can't have it both ways.

Patience.
- boonerbuck

Sure they're building through the draft, in that sense, however, every other team is doing the very same thing. What bothers me is they haven't maximized the draft! A bit of an issue for me...but I'll survive. Gives me something to b!tch about and annoy the feelings guys who don't like to hear anything negative.

I'm with belch on this one. I dont care how hockey-smart he is, if he hasnt figured out how to keep a room motivated and buy-in then its all for nothing. His Team Canada roles recently were away from the players, and I think Babs knew they needed to keep him there

And I know your old school side will hate to hear this, but with the millennial-pampered type prospects rolling through these days, hitting them with a hardass will not go well. No matter how badly you beat them up and scream at them, it wont make them better, they all will want to leave or just wait until he is fired. I think Tortz learned that, particularly after Johansen left
- WhiteLie

Totally agree, and I'm not lobbying for a Hitch hire. I'm just defending his respectable career.

Let's not sum up odds as reasons to be bad. A draft is fact specific. Just like 1OA Fail for Nail was a waste of development time.

The experts are saying it's a relatively close pool of talent up to 20. No real drop off past top 3 other then the other guys need more time to be NHL ready.
- Nuck4U

I'm not summing up reasons to be bad. I'm saying we are bad...and the end of season standings will prove that out. But nhl rosters are not only filled out by first rounders...we have a Gm that is supposed to excel at evaluating Jr talent. So again...trying to fail and just being a poor team (which we are) are separate arguments. The logic remains the same, poor teams definitely benefit from a higher draft position in all rounds.. not just the first

I tell them to my grandkids before bed
- VANTEL

that's just mean grandpa!!

Canucks value is 800 Mil
- VANTEL

What did he pay? $150Million

So have we finished correctly categorizing our small HB community? We have:

Circle Jerkers
Whiners
Lemmings
Participation award winners
And Booner.

Have I missed anyone?
- bloatedmosquito

You finally got it right. I have never in the ten plus years I've been on here been part of any kind of waggon.