Of course, also a very important part of building, but, you need bullets to go get those guys. That comes in the form of good young players or picks from managing your assets properly.
- LeftCoaster

I went to cactus for lunch. What did I miss? Oh, still shedding asset management related tears

I went to cactus for lunch. What did I miss? Oh, still shedding asset management related tears
- CanuckDon

Well if Trevor and Benning weren't running such a Country Club in Vancouver they'd put the organization in front of veteran players 'feelings' when it comes to doing what's important for the club down the road.

But no, the inmates run the asylum

Oh boy. Brace yourself.
- dbot

My bad that was a typo, it should read "NHL's best young Defensive Cores".

1) you mean being positive and optimistic is what makes you Country Club? Please explain cause the term just is getting stretched to something meaningless. AS in if you don't win you are a Country club.

2) They moved more players. Only referred to coaching for style of play that may not favor production which may be nock for term being used. The team has had significant player changes and is transitioning into more.
- Nuck4U

1) Yes that is definitely part of it. How many awful Canuck games have we seen over the past couple years and where is the emotion over losing? I dont like the idea of pushing out the Sedin's but their postgame comments as the leaders of the team are reflective of the club. "We played pretty good", "we had a good 3rd we can build off of", "just a couple bad bounces lost us the game", instead of being honest and say, 'they dominated us. We need to be a lot better. We cant even be thinking of playoffs until we start playing better'

2) Moved players but same core leadership group. Torts said

This a group that's been together for a long time. It's stale. It needs youth. It needs a change. I felt that from Day 1.

It doesnt have anything to do with style of play, the players on the Canucks lack enthusiasm, energy and visible passion. I loved seeing the players jump into the glass, or fist pump in 2011, its rarely been seen since

Whatever thoughts are on PL. depth D or #6 or go back to KHL. Hall did come out of nowhere. The play was in the other direction. Hall came in from the other side. It was talked about at the time. You can judge him for other things but this hit was just plain bad luck.
- Nuck4U

Yup. The only people to see where Hall was coming from was the viewers on tv. Even Markstrom lost track of Hall. if Marky sees him, he yells at Larsson to get his head up. Larsson would just let the puck go by him and absorb the hit. Not get cold cocked as soon as he turns towards Hall.

Well if Trevor and Benning weren't running such a Country Club in Vancouver they'd put the organization in front of veteran players 'feelings' when it comes to doing what's important for the club down the road.

But no, the inmates run the asylum
- LeftCoaster

Showing loyalty is important, but showing it to every player is stupid. Showing this loyalty to the twins is the right move. In the future stars will see how we have treated previous ones and decide if they want to sign for less to stay here, or jump ship for more money. Showing loyalty gives it in return. Edler to a lesser degree as well, but Burrows and Hansen should not get it, they should be asked to waive.

Well if Trevor and Benning weren't running such a Country Club in Vancouver they'd put the organization in front of veteran players 'feelings' when it comes to doing what's important for the club down the road.

But no, the inmates run the asylum
- LeftCoaster

1) Yes that is definitely part of it. How many awful Canuck games have we seen over the past couple years and where is the emotion over losing? I dont like the idea of pushing out the Sedin's but their postgame comments as the leaders of the team are reflective of the club. "We played pretty good", "we had a good 3rd we can build off of", "just a couple bad bounces lost us the game", instead of being honest and say, 'they dominated us. We need to be a lot better. We cant even be thinking of playoffs until we start playing better'

2) Moved players but same core leadership group. Torts said

It doesnt have anything to do with style of play, the players on the Canucks lack enthusiasm, energy and visible passion. I loved seeing the players jump into the glass, or fist pump in 2011, its rarely been seen since
- WhiteLie

That was sarcasm at it's purest. Only folks who have their ears stuffed with rainbow coloured pom-poms, like NuckFU, who can't hear it.
- Marwood

You got the rainbow from the crayon eating MarFU. Being obtuse and condensending is a by product of brain damage which you may not recover from. It's okay that you have no concept of reality when it comes to me. Shame though. I actually have the same view points with most of your hockey talk.

Yup. The only people to see where Hall was coming from was the viewers on tv. Even Markstrom lost track of Hall. if Marky sees him, he yells at Larsson to get his head up. Larsson would just let the puck go by him and absorb the hit. Not get cold cocked as soon as he turns towards Hall.
- Itsjustarash

why are we still dwelling on this stool

I went to cactus for lunch. What did I miss? Oh, still shedding Corrado management related tears
- CanuckDon

Fixed for you.... I thought we had agreed on the proper terminology.

Well if Trevor and Benning weren't running such a Country Club in Vancouver they'd put the organization in front of veteran players 'feelings' when it comes to doing what's important for the club down the road.

But no, the inmates run the asylum
- LeftCoaster

Referring to trading the vets? I've been proposing shooting Burrows out of canon since the summer. Miller needs to go as well when we fall out of the race.

Fixed for you.... I thought we had agreed on the proper terminology.
- belcherbd

Oh yes we did. Forgot about Little Franky

Naw...that's just how you take it. When you don't draft in the second round, and you're a poopty team, for a couple years in a row, that's what annoys me. I guess you'd have to be able to read between the lines though, because unlike your former self, I'm not into posting novels on here.

Another thing that annoys me, is trying to make the playoffs when you should be trying to pick in a good draft position. Things that I'm pointing to when I discuss drafting.
- LeftCoaster

I agree, no more trading 2nds to fill gaps. Even JB himself said he's done with that. He accomplished what he set out to do, find a few young players to fill the roster.

As far as trying to make the playoffs. If that was priority, we would have been picking up rentals the last couple of years. I only see a GM trying to ice a team with hopes we make the playoffs.

1) Yes that is definitely part of it. How many awful Canuck games have we seen over the past couple years and where is the emotion over losing? I dont like the idea of pushing out the Sedin's but their postgame comments as the leaders of the team are reflective of the club. "We played pretty good", "we had a good 3rd we can build off of", "just a couple bad bounces lost us the game", instead of being honest and say, 'they dominated us. We need to be a lot better. We cant even be thinking of playoffs until we start playing better'

2) Moved players but same core leadership group. Torts said

It doesnt have anything to do with style of play, the players on the Canucks lack enthusiasm, energy and visible passion. I loved seeing the players jump into the glass, or fist pump in 2011, its rarely been seen since
- WhiteLie

If there is one thing that stands out to me about the whole Torts era in Vancouver it is this statement. And unfortunately, it is 100% true. Stale is an understatement. It doesn't mean this group still can't win hockey games, or score goals, or play defensively, it just means that this organization is in need of a major shake up, and its needed one since 2012/2013.

If we look at the rest of the pacific, or the rest of the west even, look at how they implement youth into their line up and are successful. Look at how they are still able to recognize a core, recognize diminishing assets (and trading those assets as peak value) for big rewards while continuing to draft well and stay competitive. This is the model Vancouver has lacked for X amount of years. Today, this is the bi-product of failing to meet those thresholds, failing to acquire those picks, failing to draft those kids, failing to trade players when they should have been traded.

I agree, no more trading 2nds to fill gaps. Even JB himself said he's done with that. He accomplished what he set out to do, find a few young players to fill the roster.

As far as trying to make the playoffs. If that was priority, we would have been picking up rentals the last couple of years. I only see a GM trying to ice a team with hopes we make the playoffs.
- boonerbuck

I know this has grown old with a lot of posters, but apart from picks, what did Jim Benning have to work with in order to make trades? No one wanted our shriveled scraps, so all JB had to work with was picks. Sven, IMO, was worth the 2nd. Linden Vey was a gamble, but at the time seemed worth it, and I don't really care for the 2nd that was added in for EG but whatever. I know JB gets a ton of heat for 2nd round picks, but damn what else does he have to work with if he doesn't ship out our prize prospects? I think he should take a little less (not zero) heat for dealing those.

I know this has grown old with a lot of posters, but apart from picks, what did Jim Benning have to work with in order to make trades? No one wanted our shriveled scraps, so all JB had to work with was picks. Sven, IMO, was worth the 2nd. Linden Vey was a gamble, but at the time seemed worth it, and I don't really care for the 2nd that was added in for EG but whatever. I know JB gets a ton of heat for 2nd round picks, but damn what else does he have to work with if he doesn't ship out our prize prospects? I think he should take a little less (not zero) heat for dealing those.
- Codes1087

Yup.

I know this has grown old with a lot of posters, but apart from picks, what did Jim Benning have to work with in order to make trades? No one wanted our shriveled scraps, so all JB had to work with was picks. Sven, IMO, was worth the 2nd. Linden Vey was a gamble, but at the time seemed worth it, and I don't really care for the 2nd that was added in for EG but whatever. I know JB gets a ton of heat for 2nd round picks, but damn what else does he have to work with if he doesn't ship out our prize prospects? I think he should take a little less (not zero) heat for dealing those.
- Codes1087

No....he's dumb

I agree, no more trading 2nds to fill gaps. Even JB himself said he's done with that. He accomplished what he set out to do, find a few young players to fill the roster.

As far as trying to make the playoffs. If that was priority, we would have been picking up rentals the last couple of years. I only see a GM trying to ice a team with hopes we make the playoffs.
- boonerbuck

Stupid Benning needs to tell Horvat to stop scoring

I know this has grown old with a lot of posters, but apart from picks, what did Jim Benning have to work with in order to make trades? No one wanted our shriveled scraps, so all JB had to work with was picks. Sven, IMO, was worth the 2nd. Linden Vey was a gamble, but at the time seemed worth it, and I don't really care for the 2nd that was added in for EG but whatever. I know JB gets a ton of heat for 2nd round picks, but damn what else does he have to work with if he doesn't ship out our prize prospects? I think he should take a little less (not zero) heat for dealing those.
- Codes1087

Shriveled scraps

Shriveled scraps
- CanuckDon

I knew you would like that one!

Stupid Benning needs to tell Horvat to stop scoring
- CanuckDon

3 x 5 million for Horvat?

Frank I would laugh for days if benning was right and this team won a round or two and all the know it alls can go pound sand, hank is right these young guys are improving rapidly and who knows how there going to respond here down the stretch but the leadership in that room gives them a way better chance of responding in a positive way, they all have great character. I have been on poor teams before that have won because we never quit and kept getting better.

I knew you would like that one!
- Codes1087

If there is one thing that stands out to me about the whole Torts era in Vancouver it is this statement. And unfortunately, it is 100% true. Stale is an understatement. It doesn't mean this group still can't win hockey games, or score goals, or play defensively, it just means that this organization is in need of a major shake up, and its needed one since 2012/2013.

If we look at the rest of the pacific, or the rest of the west even, look at how they implement youth into their line up and are successful. Look at how they are still able to recognize a core, recognize diminishing assets (and trading those assets as peak value) for big rewards while continuing to draft well and stay competitive. This is the model Vancouver has lacked for X amount of years. Today, this is the bi-product of failing to meet those thresholds, failing to acquire those picks, failing to draft those kids, failing to trade players when they should have been traded.
- Codes1087

This is what I don't get.... it has gone through a major shake up.

Sure the sedins, Edler and Burrows are still here but otherwise this team has been changed dramatically and still needs a major shake up?

People need to stop calling it a "Country Club" atmosphere. It's a Sedin atmosphere. They play a style of hockey and have an attitude of turn the other cheek, be positive and worry about yourself.

For some that means that think they don't try hard enough or want to win as much as guys like Kesler or Miller who will pout when they lose. I bet the same people who female dog about the Sedin's saying we tried hard and lost are the same people who female dog about Naslund's "We choked" comments.


Edit. This isn't necessarily directed at just you.